Sidebar Discussion #12

[logicalgirl]

Jose should have hired these 5 star reviewers for his little project...

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/product-reviews/B004F9QBE6/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

:floorlaugh:

Very happy that Morgan can pursue the money angle. I look forward to trial and disclosure!

Those reviews are hilarious - thanks for the laugh!!!

 

[AZlawyer]

The probation report asks if not working "If not working, give reason and source of income".

Link to FL probation report... http://aboutprobation.com/DC3-268-MONTHLY-REPORT.pdf

I talked about this on the legal thread--if Casey really was working as a "clerk" as I believe Mason said, then she lied here (surprise surprise), not that anything will ever be done about that.

But if her only incoming funds were from gifts, she could easily say that she didn't think "income" included gifts, citing 26 U.S.C. section 102(a): "Gross income does not include the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance."

 

[SunnyinMO]

All perfect questions, I am asking myself these also.

But I do know she has supporters who send her money, now, wondering exactly how much, but it could be a few thousand or so total?? Like $2,000-$3000 over these many months. And you can receive so much $$ in "gifts" before you have to report it to the IRS. These supporter people do exist.

I just wonder if they can only ask if FCA received $$ DIRECTLY from CA/GA/Foundation. Or does an "indirect donation", for example as you mention that church, that didn't go directly to FCA, but was a "quid pro quo" kind of deal (if it happened), i.e.,

"Here Church, have a nice donation of $30,000", Quid Pro Quo - Please feed and house FCA for 6 months and take care of all of her needs", or whatever.......

same with whoever else she stayed with, "Here Security Firm PI People housing/feeding/clothing FCA, we will pay you for her keeping her safe from all of the death threats, so here is $15,000," Quid Pro Quo - Please feed and house FCA for 8 months and take care of all of her needs."

Or, does anyone who has housed FCA really belong to some other charity/church/, et c., where money was again given in the GUISE of a donation????

Since this was not $$ DIRECTLY paid to FCA, or even given for a REASON directly for FCA, like "donation to church", people donate to churches all the time, or like "security", not directly TO FCA.

Even though we would KNOW $$ given like that IS for FCA, the LEGAL meaning might not suffice for this purpose. Smart people who are involved in these kinds of things HIDE $$ all the time. I'm just hoping they AREN"T as smart as they THINK THEY ARE :rocker: lease:

Anyway, that is why I hope we can read the actual Ruling, I want to see EXACTLY what kinds of records they can request/subpoena and from whom.

or, conversely, if FCA just says "no", I have not received $$ directly from the Foundation, is that the end of the story????

Will be very very interesting!!!!! :woohoo:

regarding the bolded above at the beginning of your post ...may I ask how you know that she had supporters sending her money? (I am not doubting you...just wondering how you know)...I have only heard Cheney Mason say she had supporters sending her money. And I have not found CM a credible source of truth:banghead:

 

[Dcstew]

I talked about this on the legal thread--if Casey really was working as a "clerk" as I believe Mason said, then she lied here (surprise surprise), not that anything will ever be done about that.

But if her only incoming funds were from gifts, she could easily say that she didn't think "income" included gifts, citing 26 U.S.C. section 102(a): "Gross income does not include the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance."

I just don't understand how she is allowed to get away with everything. CM on TV stating she's been working, not report ANY income. A probation officer not questioning how is she living!!:maddening: Only FCA can...

Officials also released a redacted copy of her monthly check-in form. On it, Anthony's probation officer noted no violations, and wrote that Anthony is "[t]aking time to relax." BBM

Who does this and gets away with it? Frankly, I feel her PO officer should be looked at for not doing their job. How the heck is karma going to get her when she has no accountability for anything?? :banghead: Her and the DT just makes Florida look so stupid! I'm ashamed of being a resident here:furious: Sorry for the vent but I'm ullhair:.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The probation report asks if not working "If not working, give reason and source of income".

Link to FL probation report... http://aboutprobation.com/DC3-268-MONTHLY-REPORT.pdf

I talked about this on the legal thread--if Casey really was working as a "clerk" as I believe Mason said, then she lied here (surprise surprise), not that anything will ever be done about that.

But if her only incoming funds were from gifts, she could easily say that she didn't think "income" included gifts, citing 26 U.S.C. section 102(a): "Gross income does not include the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or inheritance."

As usual, it appears Casey will be protected by the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law in this area, too? The probation report that Dcstew was kind enough to link makes it seem clear to me that the state's intent is to discover by what financial means the person is sustaining themselves. Perhaps we should consider revising our FL state forms to ask for that information in plainer language since requiring income and work records doesn't seem to cover all answers (or questions?)!

But, since Casey was allowed to leave all those questions blank (not even an "N/A" was annotated) how darn important are the answers anyway? Is this form useless? (I did note that the felons are able (and encouraged) to print it out from the link and have it filled out before they even arrive for their "appointment.") It is just totally disgusting! What is Florida afraid of? It certainly can't be afraid of appearing to be biased and overly harsh on this felon!

She has murdered a precious, innocent child, received mega money from immoral networks, evaded federal (and maybe state) taxes, enlisted caring members of society to spend their personal time and money to search for her child (not to mention Tim Miller and crew), billed Florida residents for her defense and this state cannot even hold her feet to the fire to fill out a dang form correctly?

Can Florida not even hold her to the simplest of laws of probation? I just do not understand this.

AZlawyer? What am I missing here and why does it hurt so much? And, most importantly, what can be done to make it right for Caylee and our system of justice here?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

regarding the bolded above at the beginning of your post ...may I ask how you know that she had supporters sending her money? (I am not doubting you...just wondering how you know)...I have only heard Cheney Mason say she had supporters sending her money. And I have not found CM a credible source of truth:banghead:

I have never read or heard outright that Casey had supporters that were sending her money (other than while she was in jail) either, Sunny, but it is logical to come to that conclusion since we have her word, via her probation reports, that she is not working and has no income. Where else could the money be coming from if not from her "supporters?"

 

[Niner]

respectfully snipped...

First, can't believe J. Munyon actually ruled from the bench on something!:woohoo:

Second, it is pretty obvious to us that FCA definitely benefited from that Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation $$ in some way. But won't they have been smart enough to have covered their tracks, meaning Lippmann since he was in on all of this as an Officer or something? I hope not, but I wonder how far Morgan can take his digging and questions on this. it would be AWESOME if the Foundation was exposed for having given $$ directly/indirectly to FCA!!!! :rocker:

For example, if the "donation" to the Church FCA supposedly stayed at was really from the Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation, that $$ was not paid DIRECTLY to FCA, so will something like that count?

:spit:

I have to ask the legal questions NavySubMom because I am such a disaster at legal stuff. I think it should follow some logical process and just when I think I've found the answer - the law sub-divides itself again and down another chute I go.....:waiting:

For me it's a lot like that old game "Snakes and Ladders"....:floorlaugh:

Never heard of "Snakes and Ladders", but have heard of "Chutes and Ladders" - must be a Canadian thing... :floorlaugh:

:welcome: SunnyinMO Love your flower!!

 

[logicalgirl]

respectfully snipped...



:spit:



Never heard of "Snakes and Ladders", but have heard of "Chutes and Ladders" - must be a Canadian thing... :floorlaugh:

:welcome: SunnyinMO Love your flower!!

Nope it was definitely snakes and ladders - but was a lonnnggg time ago, and I have a feeling it was maybe originally an English game. Any Brits on board tonight??

 

[logicalgirl]

I have never read or heard outright that Casey had supporters that were sending her money (other than while she was in jail) either, Sunny, but it is logical to come to that conclusion since we have her word, via her probation reports, that she is not working and has no income. Where else could the money be coming from if not from her "supporters?"

I remember watching a video of Mason flipping through a stack of cheques talking about her supporters sending her cheques...but it was a while ago - at least a year.

 

[Mama-cita]

Nope it was definitely snakes and ladders - but was a lonnnggg time ago, and I have a feeling it was maybe originally an English game. Any Brits on board tonight??

Brits do call it snakes and ladders but in the states we call it chutes and ladders. Same premise and rules but on this side of the pond you go up the ladders and down the slides (chutes). The other version is up the ladder and down the slides. I know this because a few years back my kids loved the show Charlie and Lola from England, and the books as well. The game was mentioned in Charlie and Lola

 

[logicalgirl]

Brits do call it snakes and ladders but in the states we call it chutes and letters. Same premise and rules but on this side of the pond you go up the ladders and down the slides (chutes). The other version is up the ladder and down the slides. I know this because a few years back my kids loved the show Charlie and Lola from England, and the books as well. The game was mentioned in Charlie and Lola

Oh thanks! I was just thinking I'm sure I remember those snakes - I loved them - especially when someone you were playing with had to slide back down them...:floorlaugh: ....making it easier for you to win!

 

[wonders]

I have a Chutes and Ladders game here for my grandson. We play it in the winter time. I love the boy but I hate Chutes and Ladders, LOL. Booorrriiinnnggg! I will do anything for the grands, yes even stand on my head if they were to ask, so keep that a secret.

 

[redkatrampant]

Brits do call it snakes and ladders but in the states we call it chutes and ladders. Same premise and rules but on this side of the pond you go up the ladders and down the slides (chutes). The other version is up the ladder and down the slides. I know this because a few years back my kids loved the show Charlie and Lola from England, and the books as well. The game was mentioned in Charlie and Lola

Yup. And Loren Sorenson!

 

[atthelake]

Caylee, It hit me hard in the face tonight to come to the link I enter from and it says mkssing two year old. My how time fLies as you would be seven I believe. It really just slapped me in the the head how long it has been and we are still here for you CAYLEE

 

[Mama-cita]

Caylee, It hit me hard in the face tonight to come to the link I enter from and it says mkssing two year old. My how time fLies as you would be seven I believe. It really just slapped me in the the head how long it has been and we are still here for you CAYLEE

Yep, she'd be getting on the bus for second grade. She would know how to read, write, add and subtract. She'd have little girlfriends that she'd call on the phone and probably have sleepovers. She would have had fun going to Target to pick out a new lunch box and backpack and new back to school clothes. But none of that was to be because of a narcissist named Casey. The sad thing is that not even the grandparents or uncle cared enough to stand up for her. Instead a community of strangers rallied around her to this day, and still think of her and love her in a way her blood relatives never did. It's pathetic....(not that we love her, but just that her family could care less)

 

[AZlawyer]

As usual, it appears Casey will be protected by the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law in this area, too? The probation report that Dcstew was kind enough to link makes it seem clear to me that the state's intent is to discover by what financial means the person is sustaining themselves. Perhaps we should consider revising our FL state forms to ask for that information in plainer language since requiring income and work records doesn't seem to cover all answers (or questions?)!

But, since Casey was allowed to leave all those questions blank (not even an "N/A" was annotated) how darn important are the answers anyway? Is this form useless? (I did note that the felons are able (and encouraged) to print it out from the link and have it filled out before they even arrive for their "appointment.") It is just totally disgusting! What is Florida afraid of? It certainly can't be afraid of appearing to be biased and overly harsh on this felon!

She has murdered a precious, innocent child, received mega money from immoral networks, evaded federal (and maybe state) taxes, enlisted caring members of society to spend their personal time and money to search for her child (not to mention Tim Miller and crew), billed Florida residents for her defense and this state cannot even hold her feet to the fire to fill out a dang form correctly?

Can Florida not even hold her to the simplest of laws of probation? I just do not understand this.

AZlawyer? What am I missing here and why does it hurt so much? And, most importantly, what can be done to make it right for Caylee and our system of justice here?

I don't think you missed much.

respectfully snipped...



:spit:



Never heard of "Snakes and Ladders", but have heard of "Chutes and Ladders" - must be a Canadian thing... :floorlaugh:

:welcome: SunnyinMO Love your flower!!

Nope it was definitely snakes and ladders - but was a lonnnggg time ago, and I have a feeling it was maybe originally an English game. Any Brits on board tonight??

My mother is from England and persisted in calling it "Snakes and Ladders" despite the clear absence of snakes on the board. No matter how many times I threatened to have her committed she would still call it that...now I understand. :floorlaugh:

 

[Dcstew]

As usual, it appears Casey will be protected by the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law in this area, too? The probation report that Dcstew was kind enough to link makes it seem clear to me that the state's intent is to discover by what financial means the person is sustaining themselves. Perhaps we should consider revising our FL state forms to ask for that information in plainer language since requiring income and work records doesn't seem to cover all answers (or questions?)!

But, since Casey was allowed to leave all those questions blank (not even an "N/A" was annotated) how darn important are the answers anyway? Is this form useless? (I did note that the felons are able (and encouraged) to print it out from the link and have it filled out before they even arrive for their "appointment.") It is just totally disgusting! What is Florida afraid of? It certainly can't be afraid of appearing to be biased and overly harsh on this felon!

She has murdered a precious, innocent child, received mega money from immoral networks, evaded federal (and maybe state) taxes, enlisted caring members of society to spend their personal time and money to search for her child (not to mention Tim Miller and crew), billed Florida residents for her defense and this state cannot even hold her feet to the fire to fill out a dang form correctly?

Can Florida not even hold her to the simplest of laws of probation? I just do not understand this.

AZlawyer? What am I missing here and why does it hurt so much? And, most importantly, what can be done to make it right for Caylee and our system of justice here?

ExpectingUnicorn, do you have links to FCA probation reports? I can't find them, but I know I seen then at one time. Would be truly appreciated. Please help anyone I'm looking for the reports, not what they say about them.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

ExpectingUnicorn, do you have links to FCA probation reports? I can't find them, but I know I seen then at one time. Would be truly appreciated. Please help anyone I'm looking for the reports, not what they say about them.

Here is her final report. Not sure where the others are.
http://www.wesh.com/blob/view/-/15982422/data/2/-/it95ce/-/Monthly-Report.pdf

 

[2goldfish]

Nope it was definitely snakes and ladders - but was a lonnnggg time ago, and I have a feeling it was maybe originally an English game. Any Brits on board tonight??

you're absolutely right....you know...they had to change it to chutes & ladders for US sales, I'm gonna assume the bible belt had something to do with it

clue is also british, called cluedo here....and where's waldo, which is supposed to be where's wally. no idea why the change for poor wally.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

What also needs to be identified is where the roughly $500,000 from the "frau...foundation" went. IIRC, it is not quite a year since the infamous interview with Dr. Phil. As a tax-free foundation, there have to be financials filed. I don't think we've ever had that privilege.

All we know is that approximately half a mil just disappeared over the period of time since the infamous interview. I doubt the A's collected $100,000 all on their own to give to other charities (KidFinders?).

I have a sneaking suspicion that, as others have said, money was funneled to that church and other non-profit entities who provided shelter and support Ms. A over the year of probation.

I do believe that Judge Munyon has opened the proverbial can of worms. I'm sure M&M has any number of forensic accountants at hand to deal with the situation. I'm sure they will seriously study Casey's financials to find a link and Florida is the Sunshine LMaw State.

If there is any link between Casey and the foundation, then her parents could be in trouble as well. We won't know for a long while, but I'm rooting for triple Kharma on all of this.

I've heard rumors Cindy was doing a bit of remodeling back at the family homestead. New bathroom just about a year or so since they nearly went into foreclosure! We shall see, but it will take something we have to always deal with in these cases: PATIENCE! :maddening:

Logical Girl, here's the 6:26 AM EDT ranking:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #17,932 in Books