Sidebar for Caylee Anthony's forum #14

[luvmygarden]

IMO the Anthony's and JB did everything in their power to thwart the investigation. Costing FL. endless amounts of money. Is that legal from defense standpoint in an effort to defend their client???????

 

[Tuffy]

I'm sorry to say it, but somebody has to, the reason this was not found by the LE "experts" is they were not thorough in what they were doing. It looks to be as simple as that.

In this interview:
http://forensicsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/exclusive-interview-with-sandra-osborne.html

Sandra Osborne describes what she did and did not do in examining the hard drive on the particular computer in question. She did NOT know what she was doing in trying to examine the Firefox data - she talks about it in the interview. She had to have her boss retrieve the Firefox data.

As AZlawyer wrote in a previous post on this thread, she was "close, so close". But after reading this article,IMHO she had neither sufficient education or experience, at least at that time, to conduct a thorough forensic evaluation of that hard drive.

The big question I would have is why was her work on a case of this magnitude not peer reviewed? By an outside expert, of course.

If any good comes out of all this, it should be that LE Agencies need to hire and pay qualified IT educated professionals to do this type of work. Sending someone out to a 72 hour class to earn a "certificate" does not a "forensic computer expert" make!

Sorry if this post sounds snippy, but honestly, all I can say is read the interview and you will see how this happened. Obviously Baez's computer people didn't have a problem with the data and neither did JWG.

Here is an article posted by the computer expert who found the data for the defense:
"Probably the most disturbing thing I saw was Sandra Cawn-Osborne's response; "I wasn't told to search for suffocation." One thing I will say to that is that she was not alone in the analysis of the computer forensics, she had help from her supervisor, who was a teacher in the Digital Forensics Master's program at the University of Central Florida. Ponder that one."

http://exforensis.blogspot.com/2012/11/casey-anthony-google-searches.html

He doesn't think much of Nancy Grace.

When I became involved with the Casey Anthony case in July of 2008, I had been assigned to the computer lab for about a year. I had never formally worked a homicide examination but I had some practice conducting exams on all kinds of other cases.

I didn't read the article very thoroughly, but does she state what her educational background is? Her work experience sounds like she was basically in what I'd call a probationary period -- just one year!

She was then given one of the biggest capital murder cases in recent history? It sounds like not only did they struggle with some of the file formats, but didn't bother to search for any terms not specifically asked to by the prosecution?

Edit - ok, I found part 1 of the interview gives her training background, so not exactly a newbie:

Since joining the squad, I have taken almost 800 hours of computer forensic related training. I belong to our local U.S. Secret Service Electronic Evidence response team as well as IACIS (International Association of Computer Investigative Specialists). I obtained my IACIS CFCE certification in 2007 and my EnCase (EnCE) certification in 2009. I've only been actively doing computer forensics for about 4 years, so I have a lot to learn still. I learned very quickly that the best way to learn is to teach, so I jumped right in with coaching responsibilities for IACIS. This past year, I was chosen to be a team lead/topic leader for the courtroom testimony block of instruction at our basic training event that we hold every year in Maitland, Florida. I am in the process of revamping this block, mainly because of my recent experiences in the courtroom.

 

[Tuffy]

There's a part of me that has always thought his suicide attempt was not real. I can't remember all the details but I do remember thinking at the time it just didn't seem true. I go along with CA being in charge of it. I believe both CA and GA believed FCA did this to baby Caylee. I believe the people who truely know this case do not believe GA harmed baby Caylee.

I thought it seemed strange because didn't he order a pizza first? :what:

Edit - also, his suicide note said he had unanswered questions about Caylee's death. Why would he write that if he was not only there that day, but was the one who discovered, and disposed of Caylee's body?

Anthony testified that he wrote in his suicide note about "unanswered questions" and that he chose to kill himself because "I needed at that time to go be with Caylee because I knew I failed her."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/29/george-anthony-100-percent-sure-smelled-human-decomposition-in-daughters-car/

 

[kaki]

There's a part of me that has always thought his suicide attempt was not real. I can't remember all the details but I do remember thinking at the time it just didn't seem true. I go along with CA being in charge of it. I believe both CA and GA believed FCA did this to baby Caylee. I believe the people who truely know this case do not believe GA harmed baby Caylee.

Eveything the Anthonys do has a wierd backwards logic to it..nothing they do makes sense. They are such a strange bunch.. :waitasec: how did the whole family get that way?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm pretty sure we're doing everything we can at the moment. Keeping in touch with the issues, setting the dogs out after her (you know, the AZJWG dogs), making sure she doesn't profit, keeping her in her own little prison, that sort of thing. I hope, I hope.

Agreed. We are doing everything we can possibly do. Some are more equipped to do more (AZlawyer and JWG) because of their education and experience (Thanks again to you both). It is our job to make sure Caylee stays at the front of everything we do. It is about her and justice for her.

We are never going to see Casey held responsible for Caylee's death. I have come to terms with that. What we can continue to do is make Casey's life hell on earth. Like you said, making sure she doesn't profit. Keep her hiding in her own little prison, etc...

I know it is driving Casey crazy that she is not able to go on television for interviews and go out and make money off public appearances (like the kids from Jersey Shore, etc...). She would love to live the life of a Kardashian or Jersey Shore kid. We cannot allow that to happen.

That is our job. IMO.

 

[grammieto5]

Eveything the Anthonys do has a wierd backwards logic to it..nothing they do makes sense. They are such a strange bunch.. :waitasec: how did the whole family get that way?

YES! The whole family, and then they get hooked with JB, and then get that jury. How did all this happen????

 

[jane the dood]

Agreed. We are doing everything we can possibly do. Some are more equipped to do more (AZlawyer and JWG) because of their education and experience (Thanks again to you both). It is our job to make sure Caylee stays at the front of everything we do. It is about her and justice for her.

We are never going to see Casey held responsible for Caylee's death. I have come to terms with that. What we can continue to do is make Casey's life hell on earth. Like you said, making sure she doesn't profit. Keep her hiding in her own little prison, etc...

I know it is driving Casey crazy that she is not able to go on television for interviews and go out and make money off public appearances (like the kids from Jersey Shore, etc...). She would love to live the life of a Kardashian or Jersey Shore kid. We cannot allow that to happen.

That is our job. IMO.

That's exactly right....no more blood money for Casey Anthony or her defense team or her parents! Making money off a murdered child...despicable. To the Anthony apologists who point out Jeff Ashton's successful book; he at least told the truth and he dedicated the book to the victim, Caylee. Baez made up a fractured fairytale and dedicated it to...the jurors. :furious:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I thought it seemed strange because didn't he order a pizza first? :what:

Edit - also, his suicide note said he had unanswered questions about Caylee's death. Why would he write that if he was not only there that day, but was the one who discovered, and disposed of Caylee's body?



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/29/george-anthony-100-percent-sure-smelled-human-decomposition-in-daughters-car/

George did fail Caylee. Not because he was there that day when she died, but because he knew his daughter and he didn't do more to prevent what she turned in to. He tried to get to the bottom of her lies and behavior, but Cindy always scolded him and he always backed down. He is a weak man who should have never allowed these two women to get in the way of what a father is supposed to be to his children.

Casey needed help a long time ago and George knew it. He KNEW it. Cindy KNEW too and she also failed Caylee.

Cindy's problem is that she refuses to allow the outside world know that her children are seriously flawed so any kind of treatment was out of the question for Cindy. She had to keep up the facade of the perfect family. Just think back to Cindy throwing Casey her graduation party even though she didn't graduate??? Seriously???

I guess you can also say that they failed as parents to Casey and Lee. Both of them are off their rocker. I never knew how very off Lee was until the trial and he testified. He's got some serious issues of his own. Not as severe as Casey's issues (hopefully), but definitely some issues.

Do I think George's suicide was a ploy? Possibly? Do I think it had anything to do with him being there the day Caylee was murdered? No. He knew his daughter killed his granddaughter. In his home. He knew that his daughter had drove around with his granddaughter's dead body in the trunk of a car. He knew that she had thrown that baby into the woods just down the street from that very home.

All of that would make any parent/grandparent suicidal.

MOO

 

[mysterymom7]

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/casey-anthonys-attorney-jose-baez-hospitalized/nJrZJ/
This article is from Feb 16 2009


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. —
Eyewitness News has learned Casey Anthony's lead attorney was hospitalized this weekend for stomach problems.

Stomach problems=the runs :floorlaugh:

 

[mysterymom7]

George did fail Caylee. Not because he was there that day when she died, but because he knew his daughter and he didn't do more to prevent what she turned in to. He tried to get to the bottom of her lies and behavior, but Cindy always scolded him and he always backed down. He is a weak man who should have never allowed these two women to get in the way of what a father is supposed to be to his children.

Casey needed help a long time ago and George knew it. He KNEW it. Cindy KNEW too and she also failed Caylee.

Cindy's problem is that she refuses to allow the outside world know that her children are seriously flawed so any kind of treatment was out of the question for Cindy. She had to keep up the facade of the perfect family. Just think back to Cindy throwing Casey her graduation party even though she didn't graduate??? Seriously???

I guess you can also say that they failed as parents to Casey and Lee. Both of them are off their rocker. I never knew how very off Lee was until the trial and he testified. He's got some serious issues of his own. Not as severe as Casey's issues (hopefully), but definitely some issues.

Do I think George's suicide was a ploy? Possibly? Do I think it had anything to do with him being there the day Caylee was murdered? No. He knew his daughter killed his granddaughter. In his home. He knew that his daughter had drove around with his granddaughter's dead body in the trunk of a car. He knew that she had thrown that baby into the woods just down the street from that very home.

All of that would make any parent/grandparent suicidal.

MOO

Thanks for saving me the time of writing this! ITA!

 

[Hexxgurl311]

Oh interesting. I've always thought GA suicide attempt was questionable. I don't believe he harmed baby Caylee though. What other reason are you thinking?

If he really did try to commit suicide, I think it was because he felt, as he said, that he failed Caylee. We know he tried to get KC on her lies especially about having a job but was always stopped by CA. I'm sure the whole discussion about them taking custody of Caylee and kicking KC out probably eats at them everyday. If they would have done that Caylee would be alive today.

 

[coco puff]

IMO the Anthony's and JB did everything in their power to thwart the investigation. Costing FL. endless amounts of money. Is that legal from defense standpoint in an effort to defend their client???????

And then George had the nerve to compliment the prosecution team during Jeff's election win. They are all fake.

 

[bayouland]

George did fail Caylee. Not because he was there that day when she died, but because he knew his daughter and he didn't do more to prevent what she turned in to. He tried to get to the bottom of her lies and behavior, but Cindy always scolded him and he always backed down. He is a weak man who should have never allowed these two women to get in the way of what a father is supposed to be to his children.

Casey needed help a long time ago and George knew it. He KNEW it. Cindy KNEW too and she also failed Caylee.

Cindy's problem is that she refuses to allow the outside world know that her children are seriously flawed so any kind of treatment was out of the question for Cindy. She had to keep up the facade of the perfect family. Just think back to Cindy throwing Casey her graduation party even though she didn't graduate??? Seriously???

I guess you can also say that they failed as parents to Casey and Lee. Both of them are off their rocker. I never knew how very off Lee was until the trial and he testified. He's got some serious issues of his own. Not as severe as Casey's issues (hopefully), but definitely some issues.

Do I think George's suicide was a ploy? Possibly? Do I think it had anything to do with him being there the day Caylee was murdered? No. He knew his daughter killed his granddaughter. In his home. He knew that his daughter had drove around with his granddaughter's dead body in the trunk of a car. He knew that she had thrown that baby into the woods just down the street from that very home.

All of that would make any parent/grandparent suicidal.

MOO

You make a tremendous amount of sense. Very good post. Thanks.

 

[coco puff]

If he really did try to commit suicide, I think it was because he felt, as he said, that he failed Caylee. We know he tried to get KC on her lies especially about having a job but was always stopped by CA. I'm sure the whole discussion about them taking custody of Caylee and kicking KC out probably eats at them everyday. If they would have done that Caylee would be alive today.

Then why did he go on Larry king and say that he never knew "rotten food" could smell so bad". He single handedly saved his daughter from being convicted. He knew what he smelled and LIED. What a weasel.

 

[coco puff]

IMO. The only reason JB included the searches in his book is to claim "new evidence that was not admitted in the trial". It was all about selling a book. He is the epitome of a defense attorney. How can no reporter challenge his claim that he verified and reverified the timeline?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Searching and reading old threads can be fun. Also, if you pay attention to some of the posters - it is obvious this is how JB floated some of his theories. Not on this particular thread below, but some of the others I have been rereading.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143882"]Theory: could this have been a defense plan? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Hexxgurl311]

Then why did he go on Larry king and say that he never knew "rotten food" could smell so bad". He single handedly saved his daughter from being convicted. He knew what he smelled and LIED. What a weasel.

I'm definitely not defending him. He should have done the right thing for Caylee and told the truth.

 

[Tricia]

GETTING READY TO GO LIVE WITH ROBIN SAX AND LEVI PAGE ON MY FOX L.A.

WILL BE GOING ON THE AIR AT 1:45 PM EASTERN/10:45 AM PACIFIC.

WATCH US RIGHT HERE!!!





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[Steely Dan]

GETTING READY TO GO LIVE WITH ROBIN SAX AND LEVI PAGE ON MY FOX L.A.

WILL BE GOING ON THE AIR AT 1:45 PM EASTERN/10:45 AM PACIFIC.

WATCH US RIGHT HERE!!!





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All I see is footage of the LA airport. :waitasec:

 

[Steely Dan]

:sigh: Maybe they'll archive it.