Steely Dan
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Unfortunately, the prosecution didn't realize they'd get a full jury of
who have problems understanding their own shoelaces. JMO :banghead:
Then the OCSO and the SA missed what I consider to be a HUGE piece of damning evidence that may have made a difference during trial.
On the one hand, and knowing how sloppy and live for the second KC is, I would venture to write that she gave up on the technicalities and simply suffocated Caylee with the tape.
On the other hand, she DID search for chloroform and Dr. Vass did find what he found, and the FBI did have to (nearly) admit that they were not as savvy as Dr. Vass when it came to the detection of chloroform.
I still have to believe that she made a nasty batch of something. Even if it was not chemically correct chloroform, maybe if a bag was included in the suffocation then the otherwise flimsy chems were concentrated and perhaps lethal.
Especially in conjunction with a 100 degree trunk.
I am still interested in how this may narrow the timeline.
But beyond the method of death, my greatest curiosity is how on Earth she got Caylee into the woods like that. When? Did she walk into that swampy mess? No muddy/dirty shoes? Argh......Okey doke, y'all. Gotta hang it up for the night. I am so easily angered by this case, by her...$%#@&!!!
She makes me have Godless thoughts and it's a good time for me to hang it up now and keep my cool, before the mods send me to bed instead! 'Night!
It is very easy to get a nasty batch of something, I have done it without even trying. I have never mixed bleach and acetone together but after reading those are the main ingredients in chloroform I took a whiff of nail polish remover with acetone and it is very strong. Also, once when I was trying to get rust out of the toilet I poured Iron Out in with some type of cleaner that probably had bleach in it and oh my, I had to flush quickly and leave the bathroom, it burned my eyes and lungs so bad I couldn't hardly breathe. As far as to not finding any mud or dirt that matched the swamp area she could have disposed on them or was it not wet in that area during that time?
Poor Caylee. My heart aches for her.
I am not going to be heavily critical or negative towards the prosecution. I think they were 'old school' attorneys, focusing upon the basic forensics of the case. They were hanging their hats upon the evidence of a dead body in the trunk, and the devastating descriptions of the horrid behavior of the defendant.
I don't think they were aware yet of the power of social media and of the potential strength of a computer history trail. They were mired in the scientific minutae of DNA leaking from garbage bags and they were confident that the nanny story would put Casey away.
These attorneys worked 7 days a week, well into the night, and put their heart and soul into this case. I am not going to fault them too savagely, using 20/20 hindsight. Looking back, it would have been better if they pushed back against Baez's fanciful lies. But at the time, they thought the jury was actually taking in the evidence and weighing it against Baez's opening statement. Who knew they stopped listening that first day?
To me the smoking gun was the search being after KC's password protected account was logged into. That ties her to the search. I know Baez was planning on pinning it on GA, but there was a better chance the jurors would have connected it to KC. IMO
To me the smoking gun was the search being after KC's password protected account was logged into. That ties her to the search. I know Baez was planning on pinning it on GA, but there was a better chance the jurors would have connected it to KC. IMO
At the end of the local 6 report Pipitone states the OCSO tried to decode the browser Casey used and failed. I wonder if the FBI could have done it and if so, why didn't the OCSO ask for their help?
I am not trying to be challenging in the least but I keep thinking that I would never use "foolproof suffocation" as a search term. "Suffocation" alone ~ yes; and that would get the job done! But it seems strange to me to even think of "foolproof." "Guaranteed" or "certain" seem more in line with Casey's vocabulary. Or even better yet ~ suffocation for dummies. Foolproof just seems a bit above her level, and surprises me.
I think it's already been said, but the worse thing for me about this is that it tells me that Casey didn't get mad and "snap" and kill Caylee, but that she "researched" and planned it and carried it out in a cold, calculating manner.
She is evil.
And thanks to the trial/jury/missteps, she walks among us.
Can a person be retried if new evidence surfaces?
The FBI, the makers of Firefox, possibly even me could have helped them. It appears there wasn't much effort put into this. JMO
She cant be tried in the same court for the same crime.
But everyone please look at the case in my siggy below. Cyrus Casby was tried for the 4 deaths of my student and my student's family (including his own 1 year old daughter) and was astoundingly acquitted.
But the crime was in the New Orleans BEFORE Katrina and the trial was AFTER so who is to say what was lost in the storm as far as evidence (as evidence rooms were ruined in some courts). Not to mention that so many potential witnesses has long left Louisiana in the aftermath of Katrina.
But it was a case that cried out for justice and the feds stepped in. My student (Cleveland) and his family lived and were killed in federally subsidized housing and that house was set on fire in the commission of the crime. So that is a FEDERAL crime. It CAN be tried again, this time with the feds (insert a happy dance here, I almost died of utter shock when I heard this a few months back).
Anyway enough of my OT stuff but miracles can happen. They can in cases that cry out for justice. Here are some links about that case that tell HOW and WHY he was tried again.
http://la.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20120316_0000358.ELA.htm/qx
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/10/federal_prosecutors_seek_delay.html
ya know to me though the fact that she had to search at all shows her sheer stupidity, who on earth does not know by the age of oh, 5 or so, what things cause death by suffocation?
and the fact she was stupid enough to do a search AT ALL and not destroy the hard drive?
okay I get that it all turned out to nothing which is stunning in itself (I hate you pinellas 12, jury of offender anthony's peers, in the purest sense of the phrase) but she really just did one stupid cold hearted thing after another didnt she.
Can't believe I never heard of this case before now. I'll have to read up on it although the first name "Cleveland" vaguely rings a bell. Maybe Katrina knocked it out of my head.
BBM - I hope the Feds can do something about it.
ETA I used to live on that very short street decades ago when the apartments were brand new and privately owned! It used to be Mary Poppins.
A more likely explanation is that Casey was considering suicide since she was looking up suicide methods. It would still be consistent with her apparent account for the day. In fact it would be something that might be expected under those circumstances.
The prosecution did not prove that Caylee was poisoned with chloroform. They claimed that based on traces of chloroform found in the car, but, as any organic chemist would know, the amounts of any ingested chloroform would not be enough to account for anything found in the car. Chloroform is a lipophilic compound that would absorb in fatty tissue and stay there, it would not outgas from a body in any significant extent at the sorts of levels where you might be rendered unconcious. I am a chemist and in my opinion the prosecutions theory was ludicrous. At the very least they should have demonstrated that their theory was plausible using a control (such as an animal body pretreated with appropriate amounts of chloroform and packaged in such a way as to prevent fluid leakage).
And in any case, where would she have gotten chloroform from? It is not readily available, and while it could be made, it is not something easily or quickly done by someone with no experience or knowledge.
They also did not prove that she was suffocated. The evidence showed that the body had been wrapped. That does not mean it was wrapped prior to death.