Simple question...

[Tadpole12]

Hiya Hotyh.

Does it really become obsolete, or does it become part of the folklore of this case.

There is new information that renders this article somewhere between tabloid hype and obsolete. - Hotyh

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'm afraid that's wrong, HOTYH. None of these people were paid for by the tabloids or even associated with them. I'd just as soon you didn't embarrass yourself by posting something to easily disprovable.

None of these people? Better check your facts: "Cyril Wecht entered the case via a phone call from a supermarket tabloid, the Globe."

SD: Even the author of this 'article' is a tabloid hire!

Prior abuse is a myth that was perpetuated much more by the tabs and forums, but much less by the GJ or LE (if at all). Its not even considered or dealt with as a factual part of the case. The FBI does not believe JBR was previously abused.

Where do you get this stuff? Not even the tabs run this trash anymore.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I don't know about tabloid faire, but I'm talking to a publishing house. So we'll find out pretty soon!

I believe your effort would be better spent going back to the drawing board, working with only the basic known facts, and gathering first impressions and thoughts from those closest at hand. Treat the R's as witnesses. I think that video on the other thread summed it up: Once you realize its an intruder, there's a whole world of possibilities.

 

[BBB167893]

None of these people? Better check your facts: "Cyril Wecht entered the case via a phone call from a supermarket tabloid, the Globe."

I DID check them, HOTYH. Cyril Wecht was never a part of the expert panel that this article refers to. Don't get things confused.

SD: Even the author of this 'article' is a tabloid hire!

You're not telling me anything I don't know.

Prior abuse is a myth that was perpetuated much more by the tabs and forums, but much less by the GJ or LE (if at all).

Not my fault.

Its not even considered or dealt with as a factual part of the case.

More's the pity!

The FBI does not believe JBR was previously abused.

I never heard that!

Where do you get this stuff? Not even the tabs run this trash anymore.

Are you starting that again? Why do you do this to me?

 

[BBB167893]

I believe your effort would be better spent going back to the drawing board, working with only the basic known facts,

Better spent? Who knows. What I DO know is that I've spent a LOT of effort on this. I'm definitely not going to back out now!

Be honest with me, HOTYH: you're not too thrilled with the prospect of me getting published, are you? Feel free to say so.

and gathering first impressions and thoughts from those closest at hand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what I've been urging you to do for the last week?

Treat the R's as witnesses. I think that video on the other thread summed it up: Once you realize its an intruder, there's a whole world of possibilities.

Don't forget who you're talking to, HOTYH. Don't forget that I used to walk your path. I should think that fact alone would accord me some consideration.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I never heard that!

There seems to be a few things you haven't heard:

"The FBI believed that JonBenet's vaginal trauma was not consistent with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse." PMPT 306

 

[BOESP]

Steve Thomas didn't believe it was sexual abuse either. In his book, he states that he believed it was a form of corporal punishment.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Steve Thomas didn't believe it was sexual abuse either. In his book, he states that he believed it was a form of corporal punishment.

FYI: Corporal punishment that involves the genitals IS sexual abuse. There is no other interpretation.

 

[BBB167893]

There seems to be a few things you haven't heard:

"The FBI believed that JonBenet's vaginal trauma was not consistent with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse." PMPT 306

Actually, I'm quite familiar with that. And if you look at the context (which you claim to like so much), you'll see they were referring to the trauma from THAT NIGHT.

 

[BBB167893]

Steve Thomas didn't believe it was sexual abuse either. In his book, he states that he believed it was a form of corporal punishment.

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

And for the record, abuse is only sexual if it's done for the gratification of the abuser. This would be physical abuse. Dr. Krugman explained it.

 

[BOESP]

FYI: Corporal punishment that involves the genitals IS sexual abuse. There is no other interpretation.

Sorry, but I disagree. It may be physical abuse but it is not necessarily sexual.

Sexual abuse involves motives of a sexual nature which involve pleasure for the attacker. Corporal punishment involves different motives and pleasure is not the means to the end.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Actually, I'm quite familiar with that. And if you look at the context (which you claim to like so much), you'll see they were referring to the trauma from THAT NIGHT.

Lets see. FBI, CBI, and BPD never stated that JBR was abused prior to that night. Yet you and some Monday morning armchair experts believe otherwise, is this right?

 

[BOESP]

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

And for the record, abuse is only sexual if it's done for the gratification of the abuser. This would be physical abuse. Dr. Krugman explained it.

We must have crossed in the night. LOL

Besides, it was HOTYH who said it was sexual abuse and "There is no other interpretation."

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

"The FBI believed that JonBenet's vaginal trauma was not consistent with a history of sexual abuse, and they had turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse." PMPT 306

There we go with the "no evidence" problem again. It would've been a LOT better for RDI if this instead read that the FBI believed there was a history of abuse. Any abuse.

 

[Ravyn]

Lets see. FBI, CBI, and BPD never stated that JBR was abused prior to that night. Yet you and some Monday morning armchair experts believe otherwise, is this right?

Ok,the FBI believed it was staged to look like a sex crime...But they still believed it was the R"s that killed her...But know you going to say the FBI is wrong...After handling these kind of cases for years.....Now I will go with people that have experience in this area...

 

[BBB167893]

Lets see. FBI, CBI, and BPD never stated that JBR was abused prior to that night. Yet you and some Monday morning armchair experts believe otherwise, is this right?

Pretty much.

 

[BBB167893]

We must have crossed in the night. LOL

Besides, it was HOTYH who said it was sexual abuse and "There is no other interpretation."

I know. I was hoping to save space!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Ok,the FBI believed it was staged to look like a sex crime...But they still believed it was the R"s that killed her...But know you going to say the FBI is wrong...After handling these kind of cases for years.....Now I will go with people that have experience in this area...

The FBI believes the R's killed her and staged a sex crime? What newspaper are you reading? Because I never read that. You have a source, no?

My newspaper says DNA evidence was found belonging to unknown male intruder on multiple clothing JBR was wearing when she was murdered. My newspapers are CNN, MSNBC, BBC, etc., etc.

My newspaper says JR thinks 'someone with issues with capitalism' did it.

 

[BOESP]

Lets see. FBI, CBI, and BPD never stated that JBR was abused prior to that night. Yet you and some Monday morning armchair experts believe otherwise, is this right?

The key to understanding the timing of the damages done to JonBenet's vaginal region is the use of the word chronic in the autopsy report. That means there was damage inflicted before the night she died, as well as the acute damage done the night she died. The inference is she experienced trauma on more than one occasion.

 

[BBB167893]

Ok,the FBI believed it was staged to look like a sex crime...But they still believed it was the R"s that killed her...But know you going to say the FBI is wrong...After handling these kind of cases for years.....Now I will go with people that have experience in this area...

Excellently put!

HOTYH did not provide the entire quote.