Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #18

[oceanblueeyes]

Here is a link to Greta Livewire. At least we know she is still staying with the case.

There are also comments from the readers. One reader states that, Mike Gaddy was one of the boys Taylor and Skyla were having problems with.

Another reader is the mayor of Weleetka.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/update-remember-this-vicious-murder-of-two-girls/

Thank you.

I just have the feeling that these three guys were on the radar all along pretty soon after the murders and OSBI just can't rule them out.

I wonder if it was these three that the Sheriff was referring to when he mentioned very early in the case when he said they had suspects and then OSBI shut him down and he never mentioned that again.

It also is ironic that one of these guys is the one that is supposed to have had problems with Taylor and Skyla.

 

[Claycat]

That's interesting about Mike!

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Personally, I think the stuff will wear out. I've been through three keyboards and two chairs so far.

For some reason the "S" and "N" keys have the letters worn off my keyboard Maybe I have more grease on the the fingers that use those keys

 

[cloudajo]

Here is a link to Greta Livewire. At least we know she is still staying with the case.

There are also comments from the readers. One reader states that, Mike Gaddy was one of the boys Taylor and Skyla were having problems with.

Another reader is the mayor of Weleetka.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/update-remember-this-vicious-murder-of-two-girls/

Thanks Little.

Two things I noted:

1. The comment from the reader re Mike being a bully. I wonder if they meant Dustyn? Dustyn (Spud) is the one whose mother filed a protective order against him and he's mentioned as having picked on someone's son on the Topix board. Mike is mentally challenged and I could be wrong, but after seeing him on the video I have a hard time picturing him as a bully. But I could be wrong.
http://www.topix.com/city/weleetka-...weleetka-murders/p4?threadid=QDFUGK4TNGIVMITR

2. The article this points to says: "One of those men is 19-year-old Mike Gaddy who lives near the girls. His parents tell the Oklahoman he was home at the time along with another suspect, 18-year-old Dustyn Dailey."

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1

But in the other article Mike's father said Mike was at a friend's house when he heard the shots that day.
http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?tm=1220501394

If Dustyn's mother filed a protective order in April, we know that Dustyn wasn't living with her in early June. So I wonder where he was staying (his father's, his own place, a friend's, etc.)?

 

[cloudajo]

Does anyone have thoughts on the Native American / POI that the sketch was released about? I know Claycat believes it was a fabrication by a witness. I am undecided.

Ruflossn, it never sat "right" with me but I've always gone back and forth on it. I wish we knew more about the witnesses who described him.

 

[cloudajo]

Rumors/hearsay:

June 9th
“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www./forum1/message560159/pg1

June 9th
“I live near this but am traveling for work, but keeping on top of this. Dont be surprised if they have the older of the two boys in jail by morning. The rumors are flying and the boy has a long track record. He has been involved in drugs and selling them. Still hearing he may have been getting her for turning him in for something she saw drug related. STILLL LOTS OF RUMORS!”
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kotv/TDP3NFS9PUSEQBL89/p7

Comment posted on Youtube
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU

 

[little726]

June 9th
“I live near this but am traveling for work, but keeping on top of this. Dont be surprised if they have the older of the two boys in jail by morning. The rumors are flying and the boy has a long track record. He has been involved in drugs and selling them. Still hearing he may have been getting her for turning him in for something she saw drug related. STILLL LOTS OF RUMORS!”
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kotv/TDP3NFS9PUSEQBL89/p7

This might be why Taylor was shot in the mouth.

Thanks for posting the links, cloudajo.

 

[GetSmart]

Well if this indeed is the case..looks like a combination of several theories.

I am just hoping the right person is held responsible.

 

[Lauren - CA]

Rumors/hearsay:

June 9th
“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www./forum1/message560159/pg1

June 9th
“I live near this but am traveling for work, but keeping on top of this. Dont be surprised if they have the older of the two boys in jail by morning. The rumors are flying and the boy has a long track record. He has been involved in drugs and selling them. Still hearing he may have been getting her for turning him in for something she saw drug related. STILLL LOTS OF RUMORS!”
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kotv/TDP3NFS9PUSEQBL89/p7

Comment posted on Youtube
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU

It's funny how all the puzzle pieces are starting to fit together. All these rumours we have heard the past several weeks and then nothing. We thought the OSBI wasn't acting on them. However, the GJ didn't seem to make light of them. I still think they are on the right track but maybe they don't have the DNA evidence they need to be 100% sure. Does anyone think there is a "spy" in the next cell to Dylan? At some point he will talk. They all do.

 

[Lauren - CA]

It seems like if the POI existed, something would have come from it by now.

Flossie, I think there is more to the POI story than we know. We have been kept in the dark about a lot of stuff but it all seems to be filtering out slowly. I am pretty sure the same will happen with the POI and how he plays into these murders.

Did you read the comment on the other forum regarding the POI? Now when I heard this several weeks ago, I laughed at the thought. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe possibly the girls came across one or two of the boys performing a sexual act on the POI. Witnesses describe the POI standing next to his truck acting suspicious but they couldn't make out what he was doing. Possibly the boy/boys was not visible to the passing car. Could this scenario be likely? The POI could have been paying for this service. The boy/boys may have needed money. People that need money will do anything they have to to get their hands on it. Especially if they have a meth addiction.

If the girls did witness something such as this, could they have been murdered to keep quiet? Especially if one of the boys was the one who threatened them two weeks before about keeping their mouths shut. JMO!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

June 9th
“I live near this but am traveling for work, but keeping on top of this. Don't be surprised if they have the older of the two boys in jail by morning. The rumors are flying and the boy has a long track record. He has been involved in drugs and selling them. Still hearing he may have been getting her for turning him in for something she saw drug related. STILLL LOTS OF RUMORS!”
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kotv/TDP3NFS9PUSEQBL89/p7

This might be why Taylor was shot in the mouth.

Thanks for posting the links, cloudajo.

Yes, let me thank, cloudajo, also for giving us such great links to look at.

What you have mentioned makes sense to me too, little. I think there was much rage behind these killings and when Taylor was shot.. the shots to the mouth could have been his depraved mentality at the time....thinking as he shot her in her mouth. "Lets see you run your mouth now..b*tch" (example)

If either of these three have conflicting and inconsistent statements then this pressure is going to get worse for them imo. If OSBI knows they have told different stories OSBI will be right back to applying pressure on them again....maybe even ratcheting it up this time..like never before.



imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Flossie, I think there is more to the POI story than we know. We have been kept in the dark about a lot of stuff but it all seems to be filtering out slowly. I am pretty sure the same will happen with the POI and how he plays into these murders.

Did you read the comment on the other forum regarding the POI? Now when I heard this several weeks ago, I laughed at the thought. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe possibly the girls came across one or two of the boys performing a sexual act on the POI. Witnesses describe the POI standing next to his truck acting suspicious but they couldn't make out what he was doing. Possibly the boy/boys was not visible to the passing car. Could this scenario be likely? The POI could have been paying for this service. The boy/boys may have needed money. People that need money will do anything they have to to get their hands on it. Especially if they have a meth addiction.

If the girls did witness something such as this, could they have been murdered to keep quiet? Especially if one of the boys was the one who threatened them two weeks before about keeping their mouths shut. JMO!

I agree. I do think he is a part of this case. What part that is.......I am unsure of.....

imo

 

[frogjustfrog]

Thanks Little.

Two things I noted:

1. The comment from the reader re Mike being a bully. I wonder if they meant Dustyn? Dustyn (Spud) is the one whose mother filed a protective order against him and he's mentioned as having picked on someone's son on the Topix board. Mike is mentally challenged and I could be wrong, but after seeing him on the video I have a hard time picturing him as a bully. But I could be wrong.
http://www.topix.com/city/weleetka-...weleetka-murders/p4?threadid=QDFUGK4TNGIVMITR

2. The article this points to says: "One of those men is 19-year-old Mike Gaddy who lives near the girls. His parents tell the Oklahoman he was home at the time along with another suspect, 18-year-old Dustyn Dailey."

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=8952349&nav=menu99_1_1

But in the other article Mike's father said Mike was at a friend's house when he heard the shots that day.
http://newsok.com/grand-jury-grills-three-men-in-weleetka-killings/article/3292830/?tm=1220501394

If Dustyn's mother filed a protective order in April, we know that Dustyn wasn't living with her in early June. So I wonder where he was staying (his father's, his own place, a friend's, etc.)?

These same questions come to my mind. I have always been haunted by the statement Rosser made about kids in the area.... and some not being able to be found for questioning, Something about being gone for the summer or something like that. I believe I saved the video. I think it was an early KOCO video, the first week.

Does anyone remember, in the beginning of the investigation, where the remark came from about Taylor having words with some kid? I know it was talked about alot, but I dont remember if it was here or the other place. I didnt get involved in this for about 2 weeks after it happened. I didnt even know about forums and the like. I sure would like to know where that story originated. Was it from rumor, or a news article? If anyone could help, I would like to explore this more.

 

[frogjustfrog]

Rumors/hearsay:

June 9th
“just got report it was a 17 and a 19 year old set of boys off of a 4 wheeler that did it. They got caught via a phone call to a "buddy " bragging it was like shooting dogs.”

“this sounds bad but my info came from a 3rd or 4th party. my sister said her motherin law was with the family and that is what they had heard. NOt sure whats up . just passed on the info.”

http://www./forum1/message560159/pg1

June 9th
“I live near this but am traveling for work, but keeping on top of this. Dont be surprised if they have the older of the two boys in jail by morning. The rumors are flying and the boy has a long track record. He has been involved in drugs and selling them. Still hearing he may have been getting her for turning him in for something she saw drug related. STILLL LOTS OF RUMORS!”
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kotv/TDP3NFS9PUSEQBL89/p7

Comment posted on Youtube
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU

ding ding ding.... sorry, I should have finished reading before I posted. I had a restless night and didnt sleep well, just up again and still groggy. I'll try to do better.
Thanks for the information!!!:bang:

 

[KeyboardPlayer]

Sorry to hear you're groggy, froggy.... Oops. That was unintended. Sorry.

 

[cloudajo]

Yes, let me thank, cloudajo, also for giving us such great links to look at.

What you have mentioned makes sense to me too, little. I think there was much rage behind these killings and when Taylor was shot.. the shots to the mouth could have been his depraved mentality at the time....thinking as he shot her in her mouth. "Lets see you run your mouth now..b*tch" (example)

If either of these three have conflicting and inconsistent statements then this pressure is going to get worse for them imo. If OSBI knows they have told different stories OSBI will be right back to applying pressure on them again....maybe even ratcheting it up this time..like never before.

imoo

Ocean, you're welcome. I agree with your post and Little's.

 

[cloudajo]

It's funny how all the puzzle pieces are starting to fit together. All these rumours we have heard the past several weeks and then nothing. We thought the OSBI wasn't acting on them. However, the GJ didn't seem to make light of them. I still think they are on the right track but maybe they don't have the DNA evidence they need to be 100% sure. Does anyone think there is a "spy" in the next cell to Dylan? At some point he will talk. They all do.

Lauren, yes. Part of that 3 prong approach the OSBI talked about?

Good thought on the jail cell neighbor.

 

[Missing Sarah]

Boys, I'm so confused to the conflicting news statements. Mike was home, Mike was at friends and this is the first connection I've read that placed the two boys together on that tragic day. All of you are right, all the pieces of the puzzle are slowly fitting together, lets pray the OSBI...have all their ducks in a row, and if they have to harress to get the truth, then so be it. JMO

 

[cloudajo]

ding ding ding.... sorry, I should have finished reading before I posted. I had a restless night and didnt sleep well, just up again and still groggy. I'll try to do better.
Thanks for the information!!!:bang:

Frog, you're welcome. And here is what Rosser said on June 11th:

OSBI Press Conf – Wed, June 11th

3:55
Reporter: Is there anybody you guys are trying to talk to that you didn’t get a hold of yet?
Agent Rosser: Well, certainly there are. We’re talking about young people, it’s summertime. Sometimes they may not be working, they may be visiting friends. So certainly we get leads and we call their families and friends looking for them and for whatever reason, maybe they were a witness, maybe their name came up somehow. So yeah, we’re seeking a lot of people, and some are harder to find than others.

and then later a reporter asks about tips…

5:30
Agent Rosser: Well, we got a tip just this morning about a pickup load of boys in the general area on Sunday afternoon shooting a gun. We first heard about it Sunday – we got a little more info this morning, they located those individuals, talked to them, and yes they did have a (__ inch?) shotgun, they were about 3 miles away I think it was. And they were just there like they would do like one boy said every Sunday afternoon, they were on the bridge shooting in the river. And that’s typical for them.
Reporter: So you don’t believe they’re suspects at all?
Agent Rosser: No, nothing to indicate at all.

http://www.koco.com/video/16576083/

 

[Ruflossn]

Flossie, I think there is more to the POI story than we know. We have been kept in the dark about a lot of stuff but it all seems to be filtering out slowly. I am pretty sure the same will happen with the POI and how he plays into these murders.

Did you read the comment on the other forum regarding the POI? Now when I heard this several weeks ago, I laughed at the thought. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe possibly the girls came across one or two of the boys performing a sexual act on the POI. Witnesses describe the POI standing next to his truck acting suspicious but they couldn't make out what he was doing. Possibly the boy/boys was not visible to the passing car. Could this scenario be likely? The POI could have been paying for this service. The boy/boys may have needed money. People that need money will do anything they have to to get their hands on it. Especially if they have a meth addiction.

If the girls did witness something such as this, could they have been murdered to keep quiet? Especially if one of the boys was the one who threatened them two weeks before about keeping their mouths shut. JMO!

Hello All~
Lauren, I would not be at all surprised to learn that the POI was dealing drugs to the Murderer(s). I also would not be surprised to learn that the POI accepted sexual favors from one (or possibly 2) of the murder(s). The sexual favors would have sufficed as payment for the drugs. I have never thought the POI killed the girls but, I definitely think he was in the area when the crime occurred. And maybe even had the weapons in his truck that were used to kill the girls. If the murderer(s) were high on meth, it would help explain the # of shots fired and possibly even the very graphic shots to the mandible and the groin.

I am so happy that there has been something happening with this case.
Good to hear from you Lauren!

~xxooxxoo~
Flossie