South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #4

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H: in photos handed in court, he ended up on floor from the bed, could have pushed knife then?

H: more likely, rather than attackers coming to move him from bed

G: is it your version that Rudi moved your Duvet onto the floor?
H: I think so

G: the duvet was rollled up and placed in him, it was not dragged ans did not leave a trace
H: I didn't see it happening

J Desai: asks about T-shirt in exhibit photos


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G: Is there any way you can explain how knife ended up partially under Rudi's bed? H: could've been pushed or moved there by Rudi

G: Duvet was fairly neatly rolled up and placed over blood. is it Rudi who moved it? H: it must've been him

g: No trail of duvet being dragged, pulled whatsoever. H: I did not see that happening so I do not know.

Rudi's sleeping shirt is now in question. Wasn't analysed for further evidence it would appear
 
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G: when you look at photos of axe, the handle appeared to be free of bloody prints, which would indicate a struggle? H: no

H: knife could have been on duvet and then flung into floor when duvet moved

G: during your attack it father and brother, you stood behind the attack,and your mother, you were not anywhere near or see it

Botha: there is case law on this

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G: looking at photos of axe on scene, bottom handle seems free of blood, fingerprints, etc. H: Because attacker wore gloves

G: no blood dripped down on axe handle during struggle? H: I can't be sure

G: similar to knife, imprint of knife found on duvet, not only did duvet move but knife moved

H: I didn't see where knife ended up at all
 
Botha up again, working hard to blunt Galloway's line of questioning

There's no trail of duvet being dragged from bed. It was placed on blood.
#VanBreda: I didn't see that happening.

J Desai: asks about T-shirt in exhibit photos

Galloway says axe was clean, no blood dripped down or flowed down to the handle

G: Bottom of axe without blood, indicates no struggle.
#VanBreda: my hands were clean, attackers hands in gloves.

Attacker's back was facing me

Wasn't near mom's attack, didn't hear it

Galloway: "How does blood splatter end up on the front of your short?"

Botha objects

During attack on brother and dad, you stood behind him?
#VanBreda: His back was towards me.

Adv Botha objects, says it calls for speculation

Galloway says Van Breda can answer because he was there

Desai rules that Galloway can proceed

[URL]https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-henri-vanbreda-faces-tough-cross-examination-20171106[/URL]
 
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Botha: questions that call for speculation from witnesses should not be put, left for argument

Henri #vanbreda interrupts advocates and says I'm not sure where I was during these attacks

H: he wasn't necessarily directly in between me and the blood source

H: person behind you, is behind you but can still spray you with water

G: how does blood from mother end up on socks?

H: there was a pool of blood collecting at bottom of stairs, stepped in it when I got my cigarettes

H: I didn't step into the pool of blood, there was blood dripping

G: during your movements, you took care not to step into blood?
H: not correct, when I grabbed cigs I stepped around pool of blood

Court adjourns for lunch

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Botha: questions which call for speculative answers should not be allowed.

G: I'm testing his credibility m'lord.

G: poses same question. H: attacker wasn't necessarily directly in-between me and "blood source"

G: how did blood of your mother end up on toe of your right sock? H: Not sure but there was a pool of blood at bottom of stairs

Botha objects on the basis of putting across factually incorrect matters

H: I didn't step into pool of blood, there was pool at bottom of stairs which more was more dripping into

H: When I grabbed my cigarettes I stepped around pool of blood, tried not to step in it.

Court adjourned for lunch. We'll be back at 2pm
 
About the brain scan HvB had in Australia. I previously thought his parents took him to the doctor for behavioural problems and the doctor couldn't detect any problems so a brain scan was ordered. But now I'm thinking HvB might have complained of headaches or migraines.
 
Thanks for relaying the trial this morning. I appreciate it.
 
PrimeSuspect said:
About the brain scan HvB had in Australia. I previously thought his parents took him to the doctor for behavioural problems and the doctor couldn't detect any problems so a brain scan was ordered. But now I'm thinking HvB might have complained of headaches or migraines.
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Here’s one of the articles on the brain scan issue:

According to Netwerk24, Henri had a brain scan at an Australian hospital last year, but the results were negative and no further tests were carried out.

A family friend also told Sunday newspaper Rapport that Henri wanted to spend last year in Canada but he had to abandon these plans due to problems with his health.

However, family spokesperson Ben Rootman told Netwerk24 on Monday that rumours about Henri's state of mental health were based on speculation and there is no way to verify this.

Rootman did confirm that Henri had a brain scan in the Royal Melbourne Hospital last year. But he said the family had no knowledge of any rumours relating to drug use.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Speculation-about-health-of-axe-murders-survivor-20150202
 
Here’s a further article:

Narita du Toit, Teresa’s sister, said “The stories about drugs are all rubbish. That he was in a drug rehab and psychiatric clinic … rubbish. Yes, he’d gone for a brain scan but that was because he often had headaches. It turned out to be only a spot on his brain”.

https://www.pressreader.com/south-africa/you-south-africa/20150827/283046938218654
 
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G: at the time when you gave police evidence, were you starving?
H: No

G: did you have an appetite?
H: I was brought food and I did eat, I don't remember feeling hungry but I ate the food

G: you said you hadn't slept since Sunday night, is it your evidence that police deprived you in sleep?
H: no

G: you say the manner in which police acted was not irregular?
H: I said I didn't note it at the time

G: what is your comment on what the court should make of your evidence ?

G: if you are willing to sign an incorrect statement. You testified over 4 days facing a long jail term. Comment on credibility?
 
Court resumes. Galloway now refers to #VanBreda's police statement. Were you starving? No.

Were you hungry? Did you have an appetite? Van Breda says he was brought food that he ate. Sandwich and a flavoured yoghurt.

Did police intentionally deprive you of sleep? #VanBreda: No.

You were willing to work with the police and give them as much info as you knew? #VanBreda: That's true.

The manner they acted that day, you do not consider it irregular?

Van Breda: I said I didn't at the time note it as being irregular.

[url]https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-henri-vanbreda-faces-tough-cross-examination-20171106[/URL]
 
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H: I was not thinking clearly. I didn't know the situation I was in. If I was given a legal advice or a day to rest

H: I wouldn't change anything I said to police, but final document would have been more accurate

G: what is inaccurate about document?
H: the wording

G: is there something that is blatantly untrue?
H: Yes. Facts that I went back inside and then had cigarettes

H: I'm not suggesting that police lied or put things in my mouth, but those are not my words

H: if my attorney was there she would have corrected be wording if what I said

J Desai: is it the content or the wording

G: can you go through the statement and tell us what is correct


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H: that there have been several instances where accounts have been "blatantly untrue". Not words I used to provide statement

G: Even though what you told the officers then is different from what you're saying now?

H: In the statement the wording is wrong and untrue conclusions can be drawn from it.
 
Certain aspects in statement you say were incorrect, and you signed it because then you could go home. #VanBreda: Correct.

G: You were willing to sign statement containing incorrect aspects. Now you testified over 4 days facing possible long jail term.

I was not entirely thinking clearly. I did not understand situation I was in. If I had been given legal advice, day to rest ...

I wouldn't have changed anything of what I had said to police, #VanBreda says. The outcome could have been more accurate.

#VanBreda says his statement is not the version given to police.

G: Something in statement blatantly untrue?

"I'm not suggesting they made up lies or put words in my mouth. I am saying this is not the words I used."

Points out timing of when he smoked as being inaccurate. #VanBreda says wording is wrong, and from that unfair conclusions can be drawn.

[url]https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-henri-vanbreda-faces-tough-cross-examination-20171106[/URL]
 
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H: statement says he drank two glasses of wine and a whiskey. Says he can't recall if he had it or didn't have it

H: the times,( dinner finished at 8pm) can't be sure of. It is reflected as more accurate than I can remember

G: while watching TV I drank rum and coke alone.
H: Col Beneke kept pushing me about it, I just agreed

H: times in statement based on Normal evening

H: I don't remember putting my phone on the bedside table, but I don't disagree



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Henri disagreeing with sequence of events the evening before attacks, says Beneke pushed him for answers.
 
Galloway taking him through his police statement. He can't remember "one whiskey" referenced.

Van Breda says the family's dinner times, specified as 19:15 to 20:00, were not given by him as definite times.

Says he didn't have a rum and coke while watching TV. Denies Marli watched TV with them and went to bed at 21:00.

#VanBreda denies specifying until what time he watched "One Piece". Statement says he watched until 03:00. He says he wasn't sure.

#VanBreda says he didn't fully close the toilet door, as statement says

Van Breda disagrees that he said he was scared to leave the bathroom.

[url]https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-henri-vanbreda-faces-tough-cross-examination-20171106[/URL]
 
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H: I never said to police that I was scared to leave the bathroom, those are not my words

H: I don't remember hearing the person assaulting my mother. I might have told it to them then but can't remember now


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The witness disagrees with certain wording in the statement, but he agrees to the "content of words"

Henri agrees with sequence of events regarding altercation with attacker, laughing and pulling out knife, grabbing arm
 
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"The representation here is completely inaccurate" says #vanbreda when listening to Galloway lay out the timeline with alleged attacker.

G: So the events are correct, it's just the timeline which is incorrect? H: Correct

G: Officers asked why you didn't follow attackers? H: I was unsure, didn't know what other weapons they might have had.


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H: I'm not saying they outright made things up, but was pushed to be more sure if things than I was
 
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