Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

[Ruthbullock]

It might be difficult, especially with the likely amount of decomposition, to even determine exact cause of death.

There was one report of a friend hearing him possibly sliding on gravel. I wonder if they will be able to determine anything like that, possibly from damage to clothing/shoes?

Depending on what time his phone packed up maybe something might be gleaned from that, such as accelerometer data? Or maybe a smartwatch/fitbit?

Or it might just be an open verdict.

The report of him sliding on gravel was from Brads interview- he also saw him step off the road- so it’s unlikely that was when he ultimately fell. He also spoke to Lucy after this time to say he was in the middle of nowhere and cut by a cactus and sent the pin. The burning question for me is- did he fall from the pin location, or keep moving afterwards and why did he go that way? The latter we can only know if we do get told where his body was discovered and can retrace any routes nearby.

 

[jackal67]

I would like to think that Jay's family and her own family shielded her from further abuse online imo Lucy acted swiftly to get law enforcement out searching quickly .She has been subjected to extreme and intense scrutiny from day 1 ,which I imagine was fuelled by trolls jealous of a good looking girl and they targeted her with so much slander .I did note that the lads didn't get as much speculative rumour surrounding their lifestyle. imho I think Lucy is being given or taking the opportunity in a roundabout way to say I had nothing to do with jay going missing ,he was my friend and now you all know it was a misadventure . On the reasons the family didn't have an official spokesperson ,the missing person's charity did put out statements on the families behalf <modsnip - fundraising discussion is off limits> and the stress they were under they probably weren't thinking clearly its not like any of those involved have experienced a tragedy like this before to be aware of protocol and I don't think anybody could be prepared for the media frenzy that ensued

Yes I agree with everything you have said. My thoughts were that Lucy wasn't the best person to be making statements
simply because of all the backlash she has received

 

[su5ie]

The report of him sliding on gravel was from Brads interview- he also saw him step off the road- so it’s unlikely that was when he ultimately fell. He also spoke to Lucy after this time to say he was in the middle of nowhere and cut by a cactus and sent the pin. The burning question for me is- did he fall from the pin location, or keep moving afterwards and why did he go that way? The latter we can only know if we do get told where his body was discovered and can retrace any routes nearby.

Body found '20 minutes from phone's last ping' in grim end to Jay Slater search

A body found in the mountains of Tenerife has been confirmed to be Jay Slater after a nearly month-long search.

www.express.co.uk

 

[su5ie]

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Yes I agree with everything you have said. My thoughts were that Lucy wasn't the best person to be making statements
simply because of all the backlash she has received

or maybe she was the perfect person to make the statement. Reason being imo to cut out further speculation and to put out there in the media ,that the family consider that she did the best she could for jay and they don't believe any rumour or trash talk online about Lucy. That's the positive message I took from it

 

[Ruthbullock]

Yes I agree with everything you have said. My thoughts were that Lucy wasn't the best person to be making statements
simply because of all the backlash she has received

Along with her age and personal distress and that made her vulnerable.

 

[MollyHarps]

My heart breaks for Jays mum reading her statement - the amount of abuse and conspiracy theories that have been thrown her way was horrible.

I hope now people leave this family & friendship group in peace - give them privacy and let them begin to grieve.

I do think there was some ‘classism’ in this case from day one.

I think LBT Global have given the family invaluable support recently over dealings with the media.

I really hope someone puts on a private plane for Debbie & her family to come home on with Jay - on a normal flight no doubt she’d have pictures taken, cameras in her face

 

[San111]

I still think the most important question is why Jay went back to the Airbnb in the first place and why he left so quickly after arriving. The Airbnb may not be responsible for his death but if he had not been there he would still be alive today
MOO

There seems quite an obvious answer to me. We know how Jay looked in the club, we know the past of one of the guys, we know the area is remote, we know he seemingly willingly sent snapchats in the car and outside the Airbnb and we know from Brad he was 'buzzing' despite it 8am the morning after the festival when any normal person would be shattered. It would also explain why he thought he could walk back (and enter terrain without anything in sight) and potentially why he left in a hurry (possible paranoia)

 

[suzyjackson]

My wife does languages. She suggested the word precipitation in Spanish would be a quicker or reckless fall - not being thrown!

(Disclaimer; there are other linguists!)

Thank you, I hoped above that a Spanish speaker would come along and help, that makes total sense to me.

IMHO suggestions of being thrown off a cliff don't stand up to any scrutiny, that would involve more than one person making a difficult trek into the mountains, the attacker(s) safely manhandling a fit young man off a cliff, at least one person making the return journey all without leaving any discernable trace on the ground or being spotted.

 

[Grouse]

The report of him sliding on gravel was from Brads interview- he also saw him step off the road- so it’s unlikely that was when he ultimately fell. He also spoke to Lucy after this time to say he was in the middle of nowhere and cut by a cactus and sent the pin. The burning question for me is- did he fall from the pin location, or keep moving afterwards and why did he go that way? The latter we can only know if we do get told where his body was discovered and can retrace any routes nearby.

Ah ok. The fact that the location isn't known though is credit to a discreet operation, no tiktok "sleuths" covertly filming.

 

[Ruthbullock]

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or maybe she was the perfect person to make the statement. Reason being imo to cut out further speculation and to put out there in the media ,that the family consider that she did the best she could for jay and they don't believe any rumour or trash talk online about Lucy. That's the positive message I took from it

I personally feel that Lucy will likely never get over this and it will stay in her mind forever. It is terribly sad that she became the spokesperson, be that because she volunteered or felt she had no choice as noone else wanted to. My thoughts are with his friends as much as his parents.

 

[suzyjackson]

The report of him sliding on gravel was from Brads interview- he also saw him step off the road- so it’s unlikely that was when he ultimately fell. He also spoke to Lucy after this time to say he was in the middle of nowhere and cut by a cactus and sent the pin. The burning question for me is- did he fall from the pin location, or keep moving afterwards and why did he go that way? The latter we can only know if we do get told where his body was discovered and can retrace any routes nearby.

It has been reported that he was 20 minutes walk from where the phone last pinged I believe and that they are not disclosing where he was found although I'm sure some clever people might be able to work it out from what we know.

 

[tedtink]

It has been reported that he was 20 minutes walk from where the phone last pinged I believe and that they are not disclosing where he was found although I'm sure some clever people might be able to work it out from what we know.

Most of us can walk a mile in 15-20 mins, but not in that terrain IMO, so I'd hazard a guess it was 1/2 - 3/4 mile from the end of the track.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813236107816927438

 

[suzyjackson]

Most of us can walk a mile in 15-20 mins, but not in that terrain IMO, so I'd hazard a guess it was 1/2 - 3/4 mile from the end of the track.

I agree, even half a mile in those conditions and Jay's state might have been the furthest he got, are there any cliff edges that fit that radius?

 

[guiser]

So you think they decided to go right back to the beginning and start the search again ? I read that they were with the Dutch team at the last ping location. That would make sense as the Dutch needed to be shown where to start

In what way were they at 'the beginning' when they were some 20 minutes away from the last ping?
They'd likely swept the entire area when they thought there was a chance of finding him alive and were now revisiting the more inaccessible spots discreetly and in their own time in an attempt, tragically, to recover remains.
It's also possible they found the body the day before as getting the helicopter team in might have taken time.
I don't know about the Dutch team. It's my understanding they never really got started.

 

[suzyjackson]

In what way were they at 'the beginning' when they were some 20 minutes away from the last ping?
They'd likely swept the entire area when they thought there was a chance of finding him alive and were now revisiting the more inaccessible spots discreetly and in their own time in an attempt, tragically, to recover remains.
It's also possible they found the body the day before as getting the helicopter team in might have taken time.
I don't know about the Dutch team. It's my understanding they never really got started.

I'm sure I saw a suggestion yesterday that they might have kept the discovery secret but I can't find the post now, the reporters on the scene are all saying it happened yesterday so I'm not sure that there's any kind of cover up.

I find it strange that the same thing was said about MM, I don't think rescue services leave bodies out in the wild unattended overnight do they? IMO we don't have to doubt every facet of everything, overwhelmingly in life things are exactly as they seem, it's not one big conspiracy

JMO

 

[Winston2324]

I don't have any specialist knowledge but I assume one doesn't need 10 fully intact fingers to take enough of a print to identify someone whose prints will already be on file. I mean they've done it so it was obviously possible.

I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.

 

[tedtink]

I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.

Fingerprints can be lifted, even if a body has gone through considerable decomposition, it's a little more challenging though.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.

Fingerprints last between 4 and 40 days- as he had previously had all 10 recorded, some may have been better preserved than others. The weather up in the mountains isn’t as extreme as down near the beaches, he was also probably sheltered by ground cover and hanging rocks. They also have good techniques for getting a fingerprint (and they only need one). In this case as they had 10 clear examples to compare with it was a good idea to attempt it whilst awaiting dna confirmation.

 

[porkypies]

I just looked it up and edited my post.
meaning number 2 must be the relevant one in this case

2.
to throw or fall from or as from a height

As a verb, the act of precipitation.
as in falling fast, headlong, from a height.