Found Deceased Spain - Julen Rosello, 2, fell into narrow and deep borehole, Totalán, 13 Jan 2019

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Rescate de Julen: cronología del infierno en el pozo

The work continues to advance and it is expected that this Thursday they can begin to work on the excavation to get to Julen. This has been confirmed by the Mining Rescue Brigade and the firefighter consortium, with some caution due to the complicated operation. They have to go down two by two and work on their knees or lying down, in shifts between 40 minutes to an hour until they reach him.
 
Thank you @Rubia for the translations! Very appreciated.

As for the doubts whether Julen is in the well - I don't have any doubts about it at all. There was a photo taken of him just minutes before the alarm was raised. What could have happened? A stranger passing by abducting him, while at the same time throwing the bag of sweets, the cup, and some of his hair into a hole in the ground, with nobody noticing and Julen not crying out? An accident and elaborate cover up by the whole family, all happening and planned out within 10 minutes? It's all too farfetched imo. Parents who cover up their child's death usually don't call for help right away. As we have often seen here, it usually takes hours before the child is brought to a hospital or an ambulance is called.

No he fell in there as they described. I don't doubt that at all.

Today my hope is that those miners can finally get down there, start digging, and be able to feed a camera into the well shaft. If there are no more delays we might get some tangible news within the next 20 hours.

I'm not expecting good news though ... :(

My heart is with the parents. The picture of his father crying has touched me deeply. I wish I could take some of that pain away.
 
You just have to have hope....

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# RescateJulen | Tube that will cover the parallel well. At the end you can see the open window so that the miners can dig the gallery to get to # Julen .

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The sub-delegate of the Government in # Málaga , @ Maria2Gamez , affirms that the team of # rescateJulen has an energy "out of the human" and that they have "the same illusion" as when the work began

The sub-delegate of the Government in # Málaga , @ Maria2Gamez , on # RescateJulen : "Every time they stumble, they resent a little, but they are strong and I am sure that we do not leave here without Julen"

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It has been what, 11 hours since they finished the new well and the tubes are STILL not in there? People are getting very angry and vulgar about how long it's taking.

 
About the terrain and the upcoming work of the miners:

The Hunosa Mine Rescue Brigade will lead the final efforts to rescue Julen.

Euronews spoke to Santiago Suarez, the former head of the brigade, about what to expect from the final stretch of the mission.

He said the composition of the terrain would slow the miners down: “In the mine... the material is softer, be it coal or any type of metal."

"(The rescue) is going to be a little slower because it is a very hard rock that is going to hinder and delay progress," he explained.

Suarez said that while the terrain posed a big challenge to the miners, other aspects of the rescue would be more straightforward.

Once in the hole, the miners will use breathing apparatus, drawing on oxygen supplied through 14-kg cylinders, that allow them to spend up to four hours underground at a time, Suarez said.

In mines, workers are used to taking turns every four hours, but at Totalan, "since they are relatively close to the surface, they are going to take turns more frequently," Suarez said.

Suarez also detailed how the miners would secure the rescue tunnel as they excavated the earth.

"They will have prepared wood or some kind of hydraulic masonry, they will also decide in situ what the most appropriate method will be to prop up the roof and sides, so that it (the tunnel) doesn't fall on top of them, and continue advancing,” he said.

"It's a mining job — it's not going to be a big problem for them in this case.”

Of the mission facing the miners, Suarez said it would “be complicated just like almost all rescues” but that "until they start they're not going to see” what is really in store.

Hard rock will slow final efforts to reach Spanish child trapped in well, says miner
 
Is there any chance that Julen could still be alive after so long?

Well, if he survived the initiall fall, he needs oxygen and water. They said the soil is porous and might let enough air in. They said there might be some moisture to sustain him. But is it enough? And would he be able to reach it in his stuck position in the pitch dark?

If there's enough air and water there will still be other problems. Blood circulation, hypothermia, and infected cuts would be the main ones.

Imo it's highly unlikely that he's still with us.
 
Well, if he survived the initiall fall, he needs oxygen and water. They said the soil is porous and might let enough air in. They said there might be some moisture to sustain him. But is it enough? And would he be able to reach it in his stuck position in the pitch dark?

If there's enough air and water there will still be other problems. Blood circulation, hypothermia, and infected cuts would be the main ones.

Imo it's highly unlikely that he's still with us.
Seems to me, one of the first things they do is pump warm air down the well. Hypothermia would be my main concern.
 
RESCUE workers fitting support pipework in a tunnel drilled to reach Julen have hit another blockade, this time at around 50 metres deep.

According to media reports, specialists charged with lowering a large pipe into the 60-metre hole have encountered the same problem as yesterday, with deviations in the hole preventing the pipe fitting correctly.

SO CLOSE: Rescuers hit another obstacle in 'final stages' of Julen well rescue - Euro Weekly News Spain

But this article also says this, which I think is not true:
"Before being forced to postpone their efforts yesterday, experts had been working in one-hour shifts 60-metres below the hill’s surface, digging out soil and rocks on their knees using only pickaxes and some pneumatic tools."

:confused:
 
They couldn't get through the blockage.

Crud. Just learning about this case today and you answered my question. I think.

I was wondering why they didnt put a water hose down to him where it had a valve on the end like a baby bottle where he would know to drink if he was thirsty.

You mention a blockage so I guess when he fell in some of the dirt filled up above him where rescuers cannot feed a water line down to him. If I have this wrong then please correct me if anyone can.

How awful of a situation. It does remind me of Baby Jessica rescue although that one came out successful and this one sounds very grim now because of how long it is taking.

I have experience in well drilling sites so I know a little bit about how they are doing the hole. The reason it takes so long is the pipe that goes down the hole has "collars" that have to be screwed together onto the next pipe each and every time they put a new length of pipe in the drill. The length of each section of pipe is typically 20 or 30 feet long maximum. Drillers can add each section pretty quick but still it takes time. Then once the length of the hole is long enough then they have to secure the walls of the hole with either a fast drying cement or some other shoring up of the hole so the dirt on the walls dont keep falling in the hole as they work in the hole.

Its painstaking and dangerous work. Some crews and equipment goes faster than other crews so that is another variable.

I am sure they are doing the best they can but the news does not sound good to me. I really wish they could have fed a water line and air line down to the child with a camera. Human nature would have probably made him drink the water to survive.

My feeling is they should have tried to snake a water line through the blockage but I know why they didnt. The risk of the clog breaking free and falling on the boy was probably too great. But if the alternative is that he perishes then you need to try that until the other hole rescue is ready. So so sad.

Prayers for him and family. :(

Link that shows drill pipe and the collars on the end. These are covered with a cap but there is threads on the end under the covers.

Firestick® Drill Rod (D100x120 Series II, D100x140)
 
Yea at this point I actually hope that he died during the initial fall ... less suffering.

Thank you @Hatfield for explaining a little bit about the drilling.

Yesterday I felt quite angry with the rescuers and workers but today not anymore. I think they doing their best and give it their all in a situation where everything seems to be stacked against them. Bless them.
 
Yea at this point I actually hope that he died during the initial fall ... less suffering.

Thank you @Hatfield for explaining a little bit about the drilling.

Yesterday I felt quite angry with the rescuers and workers but today not anymore. I think they doing their best and give it their all in a situation where everything seems to be stacked against them. Bless them.

Your welcome. Drilling always goes slower than people expect because of the 20 or 30 foot sections that have to be screwed onto the drill pipe column as they go down. Another thing that can frequently cause a delay is if the drill bit which is attached at the very bottom of the last pipe , well, that bit gets dull after X number of feet and they have to pull the whole column of pipe back up to replace the drill bit with a fresh diamond tipped drill bit and then start all over going down.

They know when they need to replace the bit if the drilling speed (x feet per hour) starts to slow way down then they know the bit is too dull. Happens a lot if rock they are going through is very hard rock. If soft rock then not as bad.
 
RESCUE workers fitting support pipework in a tunnel drilled to reach Julen have hit another blockade, this time at around 50 metres deep.

According to media reports, specialists charged with lowering a large pipe into the 60-metre hole have encountered the same problem as yesterday, with deviations in the hole preventing the pipe fitting correctly.

SO CLOSE: Rescuers hit another obstacle in 'final stages' of Julen well rescue - Euro Weekly News Spain

But this article also says this, which I think is not true:
"Before being forced to postpone their efforts yesterday, experts had been working in one-hour shifts 60-metres below the hill’s surface, digging out soil and rocks on their knees using only pickaxes and some pneumatic tools."

:confused:

This is almost becoming to much to keep following. I keep praying and praying and every set back is like a huge blow. I can’t imagine how these parents feel. Devastating
 

This is a great diagram you included that shows their plan. Notice they had to drill about 4 meters past the depth of where the boy is.

This is obviously because when they drill over sideways to where he is, they dont want any dirt or debris falling on him. So they go deeper and then angle upwards toward him.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/1548257371_graph-tunnel-jpg.165480/
 
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