State v Bradley Cooper 04/04/11

[NCEast]

That weather is supposed to blow through the Raleigh area first thing in the morning tomorrow. Between 6:00 to 10:00 a.m. Tuesday. Batten down the hatches LaLaw.

I hope the weather won't affect the buffering?
I read the WRAL weather for tomorrow and they are saying tornado conditions too for this area. Not good.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Very good...and don't forget the biggy--motive.

I thought I covered that in #12..Brad stood to lose alot :maddening:

 

[ncsu95]

Just a question, because I don't know they answer. Walmart will cash company checks and government checks, but will they cash 'personal' checks?? A lot more risk involved in personal checks.

No. But they would cash a walmart issued moneygram.

 

[ncsu95]

Why would I believe Nancy sometimes didn't wear her necklace when that hasn't been shown and so far there is no evidence or testimony to it?

Of course it hasn't been shown. It's still the prosecutions case. You believe other things that haven't been shown yet, without evidence or testimony.

 

[borndem]

But none of this is proving their case. In the end that's all that matters. Proving they collected stuff doesn't do anything to support their case against the defendant.

The LEO's sought this evidence & got whatever the results were. Now the ADAs are presenting it. Simple as that. Why dont we just hear it?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Her identical twin sister. Murdered. I cannot imagine the pain and the anger. It was so senseless.

When I was about 12, there was a commuter plane crash in my town. On board were about 15 people; 2 of the passengers were identical twin sisters who were in my grade at school. One twin survived, the other did not. Other people died in the crash, including one of their aunts, a cousin, the pilot, etc. It was such a horrendous thing, none of us could imagine the loss and pain. But that was an accident.

This? This is 10 times worse.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Of course it hasn't been shown. It's still the prosecutions case. You believe other things that haven't been shown yet, without evidence or testimony.

such as?

 

[cygnusx1]

All the testimony from the start till now points to Brad. I have never heard of a random killing where the killer took the victims clothing!
The only thing the defense has is discrediting the Police Investigation, which they have not been able to do.

Brad put his foot in it, during the deposition!

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/forensic_files-%28dna_dragnet_%28the_fredrick_evins_murders%29%29/5712/TRUTVP/Monday_March_29_2010/252246/

00:00:31 We had searched through the park, trying to locate, you know, the walkman, her clothing, any other items that we could find, and we just did not turn up anything.

It happens..

 

[gbay]

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Brad wanted rid of Nancy(because he loved someone else)...it is such a coincidence that she ended up Dead, If I was Brad I would have bought a lottery ticket because he is one lucky dude

I am not so sure he loved someone else is indeed the reason he wanted rid of Nancy. I think it more around all the money he would have to pay and also losing the control over his family. The relationship escalating out of control and her saying she wanted to move means the end was indeed coming soon. I cannot get over the BIG coincidence either that she ends up dead. I can not imagine it is just a random murderer that just happened to pick her and kill her and take her clothes etc.

I do not think that the case has been proven at all. In fact I am disappointed every day I have listened. Hopefully, the computer evidence and phone evidence show something. Otherwise I am not sure there is a lot of proof.

 

[gracielee]

I thought it was quite compelling but it may have been due to the poor wording of questions by Trenkle. I understood Dr. Watson to say that eggs could have been laid at any time and was emphasizing that point when Trenkle asked if it could have been 11 a.m. on July 12th. I didn't hear Trenkle ask if the first laying of eggs could have been as late as 11. This witness testimony also discounted any evidence of SA. MOO

That was my interpretation also, cheyenne. They could still have been laying eggs, but the earliest eggs laid had progressed to a point where they had to have been laid prior to 7:00 a.m.

 

[NCEast]

I thought I covered that in #12..Brad stood to lose alot :maddening:

You did And you did a good job with your summary.
From a legal point it boils down to: motive, means and opportunity.

 

[borndem]

Okay. I'm sorry, but they need to not make it obvious that the State told this guy to make the TOD fit a certain window. MOO

Do you really and truly think this PhD is gonna throw his reputation away, and also face possible perjury charges for this one case?

 

[NCEast]

Do you really and truly think this PhD is gonna throw his reputation away, and also face possible perjury charges for this one case?

I said pretty much the same thing. His reputation was on the line and his integrity as a Ph.D. and researcher. No way was he going to plan his testimony to fit what either side wanted him to say.

 

[5bigfish5]

There isn't only one piece of evidence that will prove he killed her. The necklace, alone, doesn't get the job done. But with testimony that Nancy never took it off, it indicates that it was very suspicious for that necklace to not only be off of NC's neck, but to be in the dresser drawer in the room BRAD used as his bedroom.

People who knew Nancy knew she never took that necklace off. You can doubt their word on it, but that doesn't change the facts. It is an indication that points towards BC's guilt. Alone though, no, it doesn't prove murder without some other evidence.

When a gal has to start hiding her valuables either on her person or IN her locked car to protect them from her husband..it is OVER! Little did Nancy know.

 

[5bigfish5]

That's worth risking life in prison or the death penalty? Hanging on to a $3000 necklace? And he could never get that for it. That is what they paid for it but everyone knows you never get that back when you try to sell jewelry. I think the fact that the necklace did not disappear proves he is innocent more than guilty because a guilty person would have gotten rid of it.

I think the fact it was found in the house shows everyone, exactly how disconnected he was. Apparently he was the ONLY one in the Raleigh/Cary area that didn't notice she never took it off.

BTW, I wear one too, made by my Mom...IF I am missing and it is the house, toss my husband under the jail.

 

[LyndyLoo]

All I knowis that the prosecution is laying out (tho tediously) so much circumstantial things..That Defense best have that smoking gun ( alibi) in order to diffuse this mounting evidence (still more to come)...

In other words, Defense will not win the day if all they can do is spin things to maybe's or whatifs..They have not so far been able to discredit or dismantle what I have heard so far..IMO of course...

I really do think the FBI computer specialist is going to nail this..and tie Brad to all the activities during that night..from 2AM onward

 

[Maja]

Nancy didn't think Brad would kill her. Her parents ASKED if she was afraid for her life. Krista saw them going at it with each other - not just Brad yelling at Nancy - she may have even instigated some things.

I think they all knew it was bad. I think that because he had not been physical with her before that somehow she thought that he never would be and that she could hold her own with him in a yelling match. She sounded stubborn and more than a little spoiled.

Honestly - I believe that is why she stayed. She was maybe even a little aggressive in some situations - but you don't poke a mad dog - she just didn't see him as being a murderer.

The personality types that have catathymic crisis are those that are controlling, and yet dependent (I think this was Brad - after all he LET her get away with a lot of things and she carried them "socially") but who have a turning point when it looks like they are being abandoned and they plan to kill the person that is leaving - I posted a link earlier.

I see this as playing out that she came home from the party, slightly aggressive from the liquid courage, he confronted her about something in the emails he had read and she told him he was going to pay & she was less than pleasant back to him (we've established that they did in fact yell AT each other frequently) and he then killed her.

His behavior afterward is also explained by this psychiatric condition / definition. And oh - many of these killers have no history of violence either. (And often have threatened or tried suicide when they feel someone is going to adandon them)

Wonder if calgary123 can shed some light on Brad's personality as it relates to the personality type associated with a catathymic homicide.

Catathymic crisis can include acute violent reactions triggered by an individual whom the perpetrator has just met, or it may involve a more protracted and conflict-ridden relationship. In all cases, it is believed, an underlying unresolved emotional conflict creates an enormous amount of psychological tension, which is released through a violent act.

 

[gracielee]

BBM: Brad would never 'pitch' anything that was worth $2,800, especially if he could sell it later or have his mother sell it. Money meant too much to him.

JMO, and not going to debate it.

No kidding. And it's not like Brad handed it over. Wasn't it found in a search warrant, in the dresser in the room Brad's mother was using?

 

[Maja]

All I knowis that the prosecution is laying out (tho tediously) so much circumstantial things..That Defense best have that smoking gun ( alibi) in order to diffuse this mounting evidence (still more to come)...

In other words, Defense will not win the day if all they can do is spin things to maybe's or whatifs..They have not so far been able to discredit or dismantle what I have heard so far..IMO of course...

I really do think the FBI computer specialist is going to nail this..and tie Brad to all the activities during that night..from 2AM onward

Hope so. Perhaps from the 10:30pm computer data and from the 2:32am data search...

 

[borndem]

I'm sure the jurors are thrilled to be getting the maggot testimony right before lunch. :crazy:[/quote


Willing to bet no one orders spaghetti for lunch.... ewwwwwwwww.

:noooo:

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