State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-16-2012

[calamityjane831]

It doesn't take much to charm folks. Especially if they are in a state where they are welcoming to that charm.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The level of manipulation and charm that these type of people have is not believable to a person who has never been played by a sociopath of this sort. This sort of person does not get away this type of behavior for so long with out the charm and manipulation. It is all part of the evilness. I am an RN, smart, and successful and I got sucked in to a relationship similar and it was the worst time in my life. The person was very charming and manipulative that I could not even see what was happening until the anger started to show like JY did with the ex fiance. It is really weird how it all happens, like hard to explain it to others.

 

[Mama-cita]

Michelle saw Kimball Sargent ONE time, a WEEK before she was murdered, IMO by her husband. She did not mention PHYSICAL ABUSE. On her first visit, she did not. We do NOT know what she would have said in subsequent visits because she was ambushed and murdered in her bed before she could have other visits. ANYONE who knows the DYNAMICS of ABUSE knows that VICTIMS are often ASHAMED! It is very HARD even in the safe confines of THERAPY to admit to abuse. Especially intelligent, educated SUCCESSFUL women like Michelle Fisher Young. They feel WORTHLESS, they feel HELPLESS, they feel STUPID that they are so SMART, yet they managed to get themselves into such an AWFUL situation. She was degraded by JLY, physically, emotionally, sexually. He was breaking her will, on every level. It is SO SAD that she could not get out before she was murdered. SO what Michelle told Kimball Sargent on her first visit does NOT even begin to scratch the surface of what really went on. And someone made DARN sure that the whole truth behind the marriage would NEVER get out...

 

[Cammy]

So, MM is done already.

She did confirm that Jason told her about going to the 2nd app't , and the papers in the printer.

 

[gritguy]

Actually, Michelle has spoken. Michelle's therapist said she told her there was no physical violence in the marriage. The jury can not disregard the words from the victim.

An incident five years previously when Young was drunk will be ignored by the jury after they hear from Josh Dalton that there were no visible injuries.

JMO

It's fascinating to hear someone who can with certainty say what the jury must do and what they will and will not ignore. I take it midway through the prosecution's case last trial you knew it would be a mistrial?

I've never met anyone - judge, lawyer, jury consultant, or even individual member of a jury, who knows with certainty what each juror will conclude, particularly before all the evidence is in.

Our firm used to pay money for a consultant to sit in the courtroom and read the jury each day. Actually watching them. And even with that we were never certain what they thought.

To me, some humility of one's own predictive powers is in order when it comes to the idea of knowing what twelve individuals, especially ones you don't know, will or won't think weeks from now.

 

[RaleighNC]

If there were no outward signs of physical abuse, then it didn't occur?

I don't agree with this.

He has anger issues and he's not afraid to use his fists / hands. Testified.

 

[Cammy]

Michelle saw Kimball Sargent ONE time, a WEEK before she was murdered, IMO by her husband. She did not mention PHYSICAL ABUSE. On her first visit, she did not. We do NOT know what she would have said in subsequent visits because she was ambushed and murdered in her bed before she could have other visits. ANYONE who knows the DYNAMICS of ABUSE knows that VICTIMS are often ASHAMED! It is very HARD even in the safe confines of THERAPY to admit to abuse. Especially intelligent, educated SUCCESSFUL women like Michelle Fisher Young. They feel WORTHLESS, they feel HELPLESS, they feel STUPID that they are so SMART, yet they managed to get themselves into such an AWFUL situation. She was degraded by JLY, physically, emotionally, sexually. He was breaking her will, on every level. It is SO SAD that she could not get out before she was murdered. SO what Michelle told Kimball Sargent on her first visit does NOT even begin to scratch the surface of what really went on. And someone made DARN sure that the whole truth behind the marriage would NEVER get out...

Sorry, I don't agree.
Michelle went to work 5 days a week, had regular doctor app'ts during her pregnancy, and unless someone comes on to say there was physical abuse, we will just have to agree to respectfully disagree as well.

 

[gritguy]

Sorry, I don't agree.
Michelle went to work 5 days a week, had regular doctor app'ts during her pregnancy, and unless someone comes on to say there was physical abuse, we will just have to agree to respectfully disagree as well.

Coming from the he's guilty side, I agree. Without any evidence to the point, I don't think it should be assumed he was physically violent with MY, except as to one's conclusion about the ultimate issue at trial.

 

[Cammy]

It's fascinating to hear someone who can with certainty say what the jury must do and what they will and will not ignore. I take it midway through the prosecution's case last trial you knew it would be a mistrial?

I've never met anyone - judge, lawyer, jury consultant, or even individual member of a jury, who knows with certainty what each juror will conclude, particularly before all the evidence is in.

Our firm used to pay money for a consultant to sit in the courtroom and read the jury each day. Actually watching them. And even with that we were never certain what they thought.

To me, some humility of one's own predictive powers is in order when it comes to the idea of knowing what twelve individuals, especially ones you don't know, will or won't think weeks from now.

Previously before the mistrial, it was said this case was a slam dunk.

So, yes, I agree, you never know what a jury will do...

We also have not heard from Josh Dalton yet.

 

[luckyme]

whats the makeup of the jury?

 

[gritguy]

Previously before the mistrial, it was said this case was a slam dunk.

So, yes, I agree, you never know what a jury will do...

Exactly. I think the case is made. I think you think it isn't. There could by now be two of us on the jury and anything else. Then we'd discuss and argue and who knows how that would come out. But, I will state for the record my prediction that the jury will either return a verdict of guilty, not guilty, or announce themselves unable to agree. :fence:

 

[Mama-cita]

If there were no outward signs of physical abuse, then it didn't occur?

I don't agree with this.

He has anger issues and he's not afraid to use his fists / hands. Testified.

EXACTLY. Only people living in the stone age will try to argue that ALL abuse victims look battered. I have worked with battered women. It isn't always apparent.

 

[luckyme]

eight women four men

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10690287/

 

[Cammy]

whats the makeup of the jury?

8 women
4 men

 

[fredwomble]

Actually, Michelle has spoken. Michelle's therapist said she told her there was no physical violence in the marriage. The jury can not disregard the words from the victim.

An incident five years previously when Young was drunk will be ignored by the jury after they hear from Josh Dalton that there were no visible injuries.

JMO

If only it were that simple, and sadly that appears to be the best argument Jason Young's defenders have. "Well, if she hadn't been beaten to death (by him), Michelle would tell you herself there was no physical abuse!"

Fact: Jason Young has been shown to have a violent side, specifically violence towards women who he is intimate with. One of them lived to tell about it.

 

[gritguy]

On jury prediction, I will say it was common on civil cases for the attorneys to talk with each other before or after the court day about how it was going and the judge, once he could get a read on things, would call you back with some regularity to explore settlement. A lot of cases settle during trial. They wouldn't if anybody was certain how the jury would react, or at least they wouldn't settle on a compromise during trial like they do. During the ebb or flow, the judge would try to nudge the parties to settlement and reinforced regularly that the jury could come back against you. Often, not always, that could cause people to reflect and reach a compromise.

Personal injury cases, however, often the attorneys would let it rock all the way.

/war story mode off

 

[fran]

I think, as part of the generation that recently came through college, and NCSU particularly, I can offer a bit of insight.

Having been to two of the three major universities in the triangle, I can attest to the fact that students can be stupid in general. Not intellectually mind you, but on a common sense level. It was not uncommon to see all sorts of displays of this type in the dorms, on campus, around town. While I never participated, found it humorous, or wanted to be around the people who acted like JY and his partying friends, it was not uncommon by any means.

To be clear, I think the peeing on the floor, swallowing rings, drawing on each other's faces... I think they're all ridiculous, and out of line. But they are not uncommon for the crowd that JY never seemed to grow out of. For instance, my sister, whom I love dearly, and is a truly wonderful person, has a tendency to pee on the floor when she drinks. She once did this in front of my parents. My point from this anecdote is not to make excuses for JY's behavior, but to point out that it's not a factor that plays into whether or not he murdered his wife.

There are plenty of other things that can be used to ferret out his guilt, or innocence, such that his party behavior actually detracts from the points to be made.

I'm a little behind here, but just wanted to say on one side, I agree, his' peeing on the floor isn't a sign he would murder his wife. But it is a testament to his unpredictable behavior, of what one would expect of an adult man. Which in part goes back to, you wouldn't think he'd kill his wife, but, he was known for his unpredictable and inappropriate acts.

JMHO
fran

 

[Cammy]

Exactly. I think the case is made. I think you think it isn't. There could by now be two of us on the jury and anything else. Then we'd discuss and argue and who knows how that would come out. But, I will state for the record my prediction that the jury will either return a verdict of guilty, not guilty, or announce themselves unable to agree. :fence:

I would imagine it would get quite interesting......:wink:

I was a G at first, reading about the case in People Mag, and the headlines reading."Blood found in Husband's SUV", then I read an article at N&O, saying
"Husband"s Car found at Airport", lol, and then when I found out they were wrong, I decided to just hold out for awhile, and 5+years later, I am a NG and have my own list as to why.

 

[Cammy]

If only it were that simple, and sadly that appears to be the best argument Jason Young's defenders have. "Well, if she hadn't been beaten to death (by him), Michelle would tell you herself there was no physical abuse!"

Fact: Jason Young has been shown to have a violent side, specifically violence towards women who he is intimate with. One of them lived to tell about it.

Can I ask you to wait for Josh Dalton's testimony?

 

[3doglady]

The shoe print seals the deal for me.

 

[luckyme]

Can I ask you to wait for Josh Dalton's testimony?

Forgive me. who is josh?