Supreme Court Nominee

[cherrymeg]

Whether one considered him suited or unsuited for the job before this, has nothing to do with if one believes whether or not he sexually assaulted anyone.
That is not the question.

I am looking to see if there is anyone out there anywhere who holds a view that is in conflict with their opinion about POTUS.

So far, it does not appear that there is, not just here at websleuths, but anywhere. On both sides of this debate, everybody everywhere including the Senate committee are basing their opinion of a sexual assault allegation totally in line with their opinion of POTUS. Both sides.

Confirmation bias at its finest, in full effect. And it appears nobody even realizes it.

I'm biased about his views on my reproductive rights. As long as Kavanaugh is against abortion I'm against him. Accusations of attempted rape make me feel more strongly that he should stay away from my uterus.

 

[cherrymeg]

Wow, you just gave me chills. So right, he's a very angry man. A scary man (imho).

His one friend wrote a memoir that supposedly details bad behavior.

 

[simba16]

Becoming a pattern now that cant be denied. Two words......Political control. A nasty war game that destroys opponents and lives. No evidence but enough to plant a seed to smear there character and reputation.

There is credible evidence against Kavanaugh if one has open mind and listens to all sides.

 

[CARIIS]

YES this is the stuff I have been talking about -- he is one out of the list created who has stated he believes in this stuff

I gotta tell ya guys (I am now asking myself why I thought this!) but I did not think today is gonna be the same old cr@p - where everyone is just talking to get stuff in some book no one will ever read

I do need a can of tomato paste - it looks like I wont miss a thing if I go buy it!!

 

[simba16]

Democrats will be forced to investigate the multiple accusations. Women must be heard.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Whether one considered him suited or unsuited for the job before this, has nothing to do with if one believes whether or not he sexually assaulted anyone.
That is not the question.

I am looking to see if there is anyone out there anywhere who holds a view that is in conflict with their opinion about POTUS.

So far, it does not appear that there is, not just here at websleuths, but anywhere. On both sides of this debate, everybody everywhere including the Senate committee are basing their opinion of a sexual assault allegation totally in line with their opinion of POTUS. Both sides.

Confirmation bias at its finest, in full effect. And it appears nobody even realizes it.

Did your opinion change?

 

[Inthedetails]

I am singularly unimpressed with Avenetti. IMO, he is a shyster.

Who has stated Kavanaugh lied during his testimony? I'd like to follow up.

His college classmate has said Kavanaugh lied yesterday about his drinking. A link was posted upthread if you want to follow up.

jmo

 

[simba16]

Who has incentive to lie? Who has been caught in numerous lies just in past week?

Remember Dr Ford has been consistent with her story since 2012. Her husband says she named Kavanaugh in 2012. How is that a Clinton conspiracy? Kavanaugh was laughable in his claim. He really is pathetic choice for Supreme Court. Gorsuch must be happy in that he appears so..judicial in comparison.

 

[Hope4More]

I won't go into "victim blaming", but have any of you, ever had the complete sucker punch effect of an accusation that is untrue? It is a feeling of helplessness, powerlessness, and shame, because there are people who do believe the accusations.

There is absolutely no defense, except to say that you did not do that behavior. The more insidious the accusation, the more difficult it is to refute, because you are, in effect, calling the accuser a liar. And you even second guess yourself, because it is gaslighting in the extreme, you wonder, "Why is this accusation happening? What have I said or done that makes people believe this?".

I still have the gut wrenching experience and feelings that happened, even though it was over 20 years ago, like it happened yesterday. It changes you. The world is no longer a safe space. You watch every word and action after a baseless accusation. You are never the same again. I don't trust people, I am wary, watchful, and guarded now.

That is the result of an unfounded accusation. You have no defense, and you are never prepared.

I understand what you are saying, and how devastating it is to be accused of something, especially something horrible, that isn't true.

Supposing that what Dr. Blasey accuses him of is untrue (I believe her, in case I haven't made that clear enough ), K indeed has the right to be angry. Even very angry. Even spitting crying angry, if I stretch my tolerance in this scenario to it's utmost limits.

What he, as a nominee for a seat on the highest court in the land, isn't entitled to do is to express that anger as a PARTISAN attack, in public, in a hearing allegedly held to get at the truth of Blasey's accusations.

The bridge way way way too far is when he accused the Clintons, ffs, of seeking revenge on him. That wildly irresponsible and crazy assertion was disqualifying all by itself.

 

[Inthedetails]

I won't go into "victim blaming", but have any of you, ever had the complete sucker punch effect of an accusation that is untrue? It is a feeling of helplessness, powerlessness, and shame, because there are people who do believe the accusations.

There is absolutely no defense, except to say that you did not do that behavior. The more insidious the accusation, the more difficult it is to refute, because you are, in effect, calling the accuser a liar. And you even second guess yourself, because it is gaslighting in the extreme, you wonder, "Why is this accusation happening? What have I said or done that makes people believe this?".

I still have the gut wrenching experience and feelings that happened, even though it was over 20 years ago, like it happened yesterday. It changes you. The world is no longer a safe space. You watch every word and action after a baseless accusation. You are never the same again. I don't trust people, I am wary, watchful, and guarded now.

That is the result of an unfounded accusation. You have no defense, and you are never prepared.

I personally have not been accused of anything untrue (other than minor household issues that are no biggie. I did not leave the cap off the milk container!).

But, I am close to someone who was accused of something at work (not sex related) that was completely and utterly false. Everyone knew it was false, but the process needed to take place once an allegation was made. There was an investigation and the accusations were dismissed (and the accuser was actually fired). What I witnessed was how the falsely accused person reacted. The reaction was professional, calm, controlled, patient. The accused was innocent and behaved with that knowledge. I witnessed no lashing out (at least in public; can't speak to private behavior), no yelling, no tantrums. I witnessed a reaction from someone who is centered, grounded, mature. It's entirely possible to be angry and not act like a spoiled child.

And, yes, I agree that being falsely accused changes a person. I witnessed that as well. It's horrible to be falsely accused.

jmo

 

[simba16]

If Dr Ford was lying and had an agenda wouldn't she have her story down? Why include Mark Judge in her story?
Now will the mistaken identity defense will be used by all rapists. Rapists don't assault women in public with witnesses.

 

[spiritkiss]

There is credible evidence against Kavanaugh if one has open mind and listens to all sides.

He wont be convicted of the accusations against him. Because it lacks credible evidence.

 

[Inthedetails]

He wont be convicted of the accusations against him. Because it lacks credible evidence.

He won't be convicted because he isn't charged with anything and isn't standing trial. This hearing is like a huge, important job interview. He is being questioned and examined for a job. This is not a trial.

I'm sure you know that, but it wasn't clear from your comment.

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

His one friend wrote a memoir that supposedly details bad behavior.

bad behavior? I am so far from a prude -- his stuff was disgusting

woman should get raped if they dress sexy

racial homophobic slurs

posting videos

sharing his thoughts on masterbation ( hey thats fine but really discussing in YT?

other things i can post

they were a piece of work bonnie and clyde

 

[spiritkiss]

He won't be convicted because he isn't charged with anything and isn't standing trial. This hearing is alike a huge, important job interview. He is being questioned and examined for a job. This is not a trial.

I'm sure you know that, but it wasn't clear from your comment.

jmo

Yes I do. I was responding to the word play of the comment I replied to. Shouldn't have used the word convicted.

 

[Jade]

BK sure is whiny for a Judge.

Since the hit dog always hollers it seems they got a hit cuz he was certainly squealing.

 

[karen in New York]

Anyone know what survivors and their advocates are doing to manage the rekindling of trauma brought on by this issue playing out in the public arena for partisan gain?

Seems to me that there has to be a community of victims that are not just going away after all this is over. Instead of reawakened when and by another trauma victims' story.

Where and what are the Champions doing?

 

[cherrymeg]

bad behavior? I am so far from a prude -- his stuff was disgusting

woman should get raped if they dress sexy

racial homophobic slurs

posting videos

sharing his thoughts on masterbation ( hey thats fine but really discussing in YT?

other things i can post

they were a piece of work bonnie and clyde

I can't even find the book. I'm not paying for it. So did you read it?

 

[neesaki]

Thank you, and the past few weeks have indeed been a triggering time for many, including me, but for some of us at least, including me, they have been liberating as well.

After all these years, for the first time it feels possible to tell, and to tell more than I have ever told before, to anyone. I will never tell anyone I know, including my husband, exactly what happened, the all of it, the every kind of assault and pain and degradation, but after today, I'm determined to call a rape crisis hotline tomorrow and for the first, last , and only time, say it all, so I will have done
everything I could to at long last diminish the damage silence does.
Thank you, Dr. Blasey.

I guess I speed read through your post last night and also missed the context, my fault for not going back to previous postings.
I’m so sorry for what you went through and wish you all the best. (Hugs)

 

[Inthedetails]

Live coverage:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2416766355020156

Looks like the committee vote will be at 1:3pm eastern time. Assuming the committee votes the candidate through, when is the full vote? Tomorrow?

jmo