SURPRISE HEARING Friday 18th August

[maxicut]

In my opinion, I think that the road ahead didn't bode well for any of them based on their lifestyle, psychological problems, and lack of structure. I truly believe any of them or all of them would have already served a considerable amount of time in prison even if they weren't convicted of this crime.

Without having a crystal ball, and of course it is only speculation, I wonder how many victims were spared because they were incarcerated? Folks keep shouting the word INNOCENT. Those boys weren't innocent. They may have been innocent of this particular murder(s), but they weren't innocent babes in the woods.

Before I get pounced on, I do not believe that they should have spent a min in jail for the murder of these babies if they didn't do it. I just get a hinky feeling that they were on a hwy to hell as kids and maybe ...just maybe..things happen for a reason.

Sincerely, Robin

ETA; When I said victim I was in no way indicating murder. My thought's were that there are no victimless crimes. There is always a victim. From stealing a pack of gum to armed robbery..

Without knowing the three men personally how in heavens name can one predict or assume?

I truly believe any of them or all of them would have already served a considerable amount of time in prison even if they weren't convicted of this crime.

If one has children who are not yet teens, one could be in for a big surprise. Unless of course ones teen go to the little Mary Kitticot High School for perfect children.

 

[maxicut]

The Prosecutor said that they have evidence that would convict all three. She said this in open court and it should be part of their guilty plea transcripts.

It begins at the 9:20 mark

Here is Twall's post
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Prosecutors written statement made in a press conference right after the guilty pleas and sentencing:
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...ecutors-statement-on-west-memphis-3-plea-deal

This very thing was quoted and reposted Sunday.
Appropriate answers were posted.
Gathered from the hours of reading I've completed the past 3 days about this case, there certainly was not enough evidence to convict at retrial.

moo

 

[maxicut]

Since he already has diagnoses of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and he has the predisposing childhood history of horrific neglect for Dissociative Identity Disorder, maybe it is good if he does become Johnny Depp?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5734796/celebrities_with_dissociative_disorders.html?cat=70

http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-...GPv0&parent=Other+Disorders&website=wmc+psych

BWAAAA Laughable at best. I hope DE or his lawyers read message boards. They could have new, shall we say, ammo for slander, repeated slander law suits.

 

[maxicut]

Since he already has diagnoses of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and he has the predisposing childhood history of horrific neglect for Dissociative Identity Disorder, maybe it is good if he does become Johnny Depp?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5734796/celebrities_with_dissociative_disorders.html?cat=70

http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-...GPv0&parent=Other+Disorders&website=wmc+psych

PS, Associated Content is a blog. :crazy:

 

[maxicut]

Honestly there is no debunking to be done.. They all 3 were found guilty of the heinous murders
And those verdicts were upheld on Friday.. They will always be guilty because they are guilty..

As I originally stated my posts were not to change anyone's mind..Nor do I want to.. It is what it is..

Honestly there is much debunking to be done because all 3 men, all 3 of them, who were but teens at the time of the crimes, were bullied, badgered, and blackballed by inept cops and witch hunting, satanic fearing sheriffs. Local podunk cops who had little to no experience with the crime of murder. Much less with the crimes of 3 murders.
The crime scene was never properly cordoned off. Evidence was notproperly collected nor properly tested.

One can pretend that the WM3 killed 3 little boys one frightful day, but pretending doesn't make it so. Spare me the verdict is what it is.

What happened Friday? The state knew it's butt was against the wall. The state knew the West Memphis 3 were wrongly charged and wrongly convicted. The state knew the West Memphis 3 retrial would show how the state falsely sentenced three teens to 19 years of undeserved hell.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

 

[maxicut]

Now that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard regarding this. So what you are saying is that the State of Arkansas is so low on money that if people win their appeals for new trials they are just going to start releasing with time served instead of going to trial even though they are murders?

I think that sounds almost as ridiculous as saying that these three are guilty of this crime in the first place. After all if you say they are guilty you would have to believe that 3 teenaged boys, one of which was borderline retarded and had mental issues, managed to commit this crime and not only avoided leaving behind any of their own DNA, but somehow managed to leave other people's DNA behind.

:goodpost:
Ridiculous, I agree.

 

[maxicut]

Honestly there is no debunking to be done.. They all 3 were found guilty of the heinous murders
And those verdicts were upheld on Friday.. They will always be guilty because they are guilty..

As I originally stated my posts were not to change anyone's mind..Nor do I want to.. It is what it is..

Again they will never be guilty. The west Memphis 3 took the Alford Plea in order to be released from prison for a crime they didn't do. Perhaps you didn't hear the news presser done upon the mens release. The Alford Plea is nothing more than a formality. They have no parole. No travel restrictions. They shouldn't, they didn't commit the crimes they were falsely accused of committing.

twall posted the links relating to this several post back

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawd...his-three.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20094938.shtml

http://www.katv.com/story/15303501/w...-deal-happened

 

[claudicici]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...st-memphis-three-rele20110823,0,5089781.story
I think this is a great article.I think it is so true whether we are supporters or non we are all prone to these "cognitive biases".
I truly try to understand both sides.I try to understand why the non supporters seems so aggressive and I do think it 's because they are stuck at the point that they believe Damien is a raging sociopath ,then of course they will not allow themselves to look at the facts that actually have to do with the crime.That's why I believe his mental health records are being brought up over and over again.At least that's how I can explain that to myself now.

 

[~n/t~]

Since he already has diagnoses of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and he has the predisposing childhood history of horrific neglect for Dissociative Identity Disorder, maybe it is good if he does become Johnny Depp?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5734796/celebrities_with_dissociative_disorders.html?cat=70

http://wo-pub2.med.cornell.edu/cgi-...GPv0&parent=Other+Disorders&website=wmc+psych

Yah maybe JD can use him as his back up stunt guy in the next Pirates movie. rrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[h818]

Now that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard regarding this. So what you are saying is that the State of Arkansas is so low on money that if people win their appeals for new trials they are just going to start releasing with time served instead of going to trial even though they are murders?

I think that sounds almost as ridiculous as saying that these three are guilty of this crime in the first place. After all if you say they are guilty you would have to believe that 3 teenaged boys, one of which was borderline retarded and had mental issues, managed to commit this crime and not only avoided leaving behind any of their own DNA, but somehow managed to leave other people's DNA behind.

If those people (convicted criminals) are being backed by celebrity millionaires and the media, yes. I think doubting that is as insane as saying that these three are not guilty of the crimes that they were convicted of.

 

[~n/t~]

Think about this...even *IF* the 3 were guilty as originally charged...do we really want our justice system to convict someone (especially to death row) with so little evidence? If you answer yes, then we don't have an adequate justice system, and we can bring back lynching and other forms of vigilante justice and legalize them.

<shudder>

Well, many believe Casey Anthony is guilty of her crime but 12 jurors didn't think so. She's walking free.

Even the guilty get a free pass sometimes. Too bad their victims will never get one.

 

[Wishbone]

The 'West Memphis Three' and combating cognitive biases
The case shows we see what we expect to see. That can mean innocent people go to jail while criminals remain free.

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Cognitive bias helps explain why prosecutors can focus on a suspect (or three) and fail to see the warning signs that they are headed down the wrong path. Cognitive bias is not the same thing as racial bias or personal animus. It's the habit of our brains to let the first fact we encounter guide our evaluation of the second and the third. One false start can lead to a miscarriage of justice more quickly than any of us would like to believe.

In this case, once the cops saw Echols as something of a freak, an odd duck who read about witchcraft, liked Metallica and didn't exactly fit in, the jump from weirdo to likely satanic cult killer was easier than it should have been. Facts that didn't really prove anything were lumped together with suspicions and dubious theories.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...st-memphis-three-rele20110823,0,5089781.story

 

[maxicut]

Well, many believe Casey Anthony is guilty of her crime but 12 jurors didn't think so. She's walking free.

Even the guilty get a free pass sometimes. Too bad their victims will never get one.

Casey is guilty and was vindicated not guilty.

The West Memphis 3 were found guilty of a crime they didn't committ.
Imo big HUGE difference.

moo

 

[gitana1]

Sorry am via mobile but I have posted more than one post in this specific thread of what issues there are they led to Friday.. LE inexperience and bungling is the main reason and yes that's enough to have led to this plea.. But LE errors, bungling, bs does not in any way make guilty murders suddenly innocent.. That is not possible.. They are guilty of 9counts of murder of 3 8yo little boys..

No. They pled guilty. That does not mean they ARE guilty.

I think all of us need to try to incorporate phrases like "in my opinion", "I believe" etc., a bit more, when stating opinions, rather than facts.

Fact: The WM3 pled guilty.
Opinion: They are not guilty.
Opinion: They are guilty.

Fact: casey anthony was acquitted.
Opinion: She is innocent.
Opinion: She is guilty.

To me, we come across as rude in this debate, when we insist that opinions are true and insult others for not agreeing. And it's happening on both sides of the argument.

It's annoying to read. As I said before, both sides have powerful reasons for their opinions, no one here is an idiot and it is seriously highly unlikely that anyone is going to change another poster's mind, especially by repeating their beliefs, over and over again. :twocents:

 

[gitana1]

Body language expert believes WM3 are innocent: http://www.kait8.com/story/15314827/west-memphis-3s-body-language-suggests-innocence-expert-says

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Misskelley Bible Confession Transcript
Feb 17, 1994 with his attorney Stidham present

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmfeb.html


The audio

Part I
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/audio/jmfeb94_1.wma

Part II
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/audio/jmfeb94_2.wma

More of Jessie Miskelley Statements here
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/audio.html

sorry I couldn't find a movie of the actual killings, sometimes I think that's what most people want for proof of their guilt. HBO didn't get involved until later.

Echols own mother gave statements that Damien was violent and into satanic rituals, she was afraid he was going to hurt someone. That's why she reported him. He wanted to be famous and now he is at the expense of 3-little boys who were brutally murdered.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Body language expert believes WM3 are innocent: http://www.kait8.com/story/15314827/west-memphis-3s-body-language-suggests-innocence-expert-says

Take it for what it's worth.

Not worth much. Especially when she says this.

Miller said Misskelly is not a typical body language subject because he appears to exhibit arrested development. Misskelly's first stop after prison was a family barbecue.

"Because of the arrested development, his needs wants and desires are different," Miller said. "He wants to be with family. He wants to be with friends. He needs that closeness again."

Only the undeveloped would want to be with family? W.T.F?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

The 'West Memphis Three' and combating cognitive biases
The case shows we see what we expect to see. That can mean innocent people go to jail while criminals remain free.

snipped
Cognitive bias helps explain why prosecutors can focus on a suspect (or three) and fail to see the warning signs that they are headed down the wrong path. Cognitive bias is not the same thing as racial bias or personal animus. It's the habit of our brains to let the first fact we encounter guide our evaluation of the second and the third. One false start can lead to a miscarriage of justice more quickly than any of us would like to believe.

In this case, once the cops saw Echols as something of a freak, an odd duck who read about witchcraft, liked Metallica and didn't exactly fit in, the jump from weirdo to likely satanic cult killer was easier than it should have been. Facts that didn't really prove anything were lumped together with suspicions and dubious theories.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...st-memphis-three-rele20110823,0,5089781.story

It seemed to me that writer was exhibiting cognitive bias about the case herself.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. I have been getting kicked off the internet regularly since the earthquake this afternoon. Sorry if this is a repost. Reading what I can, while I can...

"Entertainment Weekly has learned that director Peter Jackson and his partner Fran Walsh will continue to fund the West Memphis Three investigation, even now that the men have been released from prison — free, but technically still considered guilty in the eyes of the law. “The ongoing work will focus on proving the convicted men’s innocence, as it always has,” says Jackson’s manager, Ken Kamins."

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/23/peter-jackson-west-memphis-three-investigation-exclusive/

 

[IrishMist]

Don't know if this has been posted yet. I have been getting kicked off the internet regularly since the earthquake this afternoon. Sorry if this is a repost. Reading what I can, while I can...

"Entertainment Weekly has learned that director Peter Jackson and his partner Fran Walsh will continue to fund the West Memphis Three investigation, even now that the men have been released from prison — free, but technically still considered guilty in the eyes of the law. “The ongoing work will focus on proving the convicted men’s innocence, as it always has,” says Jackson’s manager, Ken Kamins."

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/23/peter-jackson-west-memphis-three-investigation-exclusive/

This is wonderful news! Thank you for posting it