Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #4

[Darkman00]

Anyone have a link to the video with the gunfire last night? TIA.

HERE:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigm...ton-bombers-reportly-captured-by-smart-phone/

there are two videos there .. possibly the 2nd one is a better one.

 

[SilkySifaka]

i really think he has killed himself. hours ago.

God I hope not, this lockdown may continue for days until the body starts to ripen and eventually gets discovered.

 

[mj12]

i really think he has killed himself. hours ago.

But where is he? They would have found a dead body somewhere. I think he will probably kill himself, but will try and take LE with him.

 

[bellyup]

i really think he has killed himself. hours ago.

I don't. He wouldn't have fought so hard last night. He would have just let them do it in. He apparently does not have a personal death wish.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Does anyone else feel like he's long gone from Boston right now? I feel like he drove out of town.

I've wondered about this, too. Upon learning that his brother was dead and that he was a wanted man, he might have felt it best to get out of town ASAP. He could have left during the chaos and confusion in the aftermath of the shooting last night. I hope the FBI knows more than we're hearing from the media.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't think he has killed himself or has left the Boston area. I think someone is hiding him.

 

[AstroKitty]

I really hope the child (the older brothers) is safe as is the mother. Vigilantes are out and things are going to get nuts. I personally don't know how the youngest is still local, unless he's hiding out in a sect.

 

[cityslick]

Ish happens in many countries where people are accused of things with little to no proof and then people are jailed and many times tortured for a long time. Deeply engrained cultural mistrust is not something that goes away necessarily. These people are from such a country and are also in shock likely.

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Since when is it a prerequisite that you be from a foreign country to have mistrust for the government? I'm sure I can find a few locally who have the same though process.

 

[QueenD]

i really think he has killed himself. hours ago.

Or died from "supposed" injuries from last night.

 

[Darkman00]

CNN: 2 uncles there in Maryland .... only one gave interview in media so far (talking about this now .. on CNN)

 

[mysteriew]

The aunt needs to plead with the kid to call her so she can help him. Maybe he would.

For all we know that may be why she came out sounding so bad. Perhaps she is hoping if she sounds sympathetic to him that he might call her. For sure he isn't going to call the uncle..... though I have to admit, the thought crossed my mind that you never know what is going on in the background- behind the public appearances.

 

[cityslick]

IMO I think he's still alive. He's not going to take his own life without reason, especially if he's armed. He'll wait until he's cornered and has no where else to go.

 

[danzn16]

Well, if anyone can understand that the perps were bombing LE, perp 1 strapped with bomb during shoot out, perp 2 throwing grenades(?) or some explosives, other bombs planted and being detonated by LE, and whatever else I have missed and will miss, then there is no conspiracy.

How many people walk around with explosives daily?

I definitely don't think it's a conspiracy, making that clear. I'm not sure how my post was interpreted as such? I simply said that I hope the aunts opinion that it was staged doesn't make other Americans suspicious or also think the whole thing is fake and that these boys are innocent.

 

[mrsu]

I wish the media would LEAVE THE EXTENDED FAMILY alone!! What is wrong with them waiting outside the uncle's home?!?!

 

[sorrell skye]

CBS Boston just reported that the older brother was arrested on DV charges in 2009.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I don't think he has killed himself or has left the Boston area. I think someone is hiding him.

It sure seems like there is a lot of family in the local area, so it's possible that the suspect is being harbored by a family member who disagrees with the others who suggest that he turn himself in.

 

[MsFacetious]

If this guy has left the area or is dead
someone else is VERY gutsy to be repeatedly stealing cars with a manhunt going on!

 

[Gardenlady]

I definitely don't think it's a conspiracy, making that clear. I'm not sure how my post was interpreted as such? I simply said that I hope the aunts opinion that it was staged doesn't make other Americans suspicious or also think the whole thing is fake and that these boys are innocent.

I think whether or not people are influenced by the aunt's opinion is moot. The conspiracy theorists will unfortunately always be around for times like this. :facepalm:

 

[mysteriew]

I don't. He wouldn't have fought so hard last night. He would have just let them do it in. He apparently does not have a personal death wish.

I think he will try to take out others in his brothers name, and will try suicide by cop.

 

[hockeymom]

"The friend who rented a flat to the family said the father, Anzor Tsarnaev, was a talented car mechanic and aspired to open his own garage. But he never mastered English, the friend said, or opened his own workspace. He tried to make ends meet by doing odd repair jobs for $10 an hour.

About two years ago, the father was stricken with brain cancer, and departed to Germany last year for treatment, according to a friend of the family.

The family lived modestly in the top floor of a multifamily house on a side street in Cambridge, the friend said, helped partly by Section 8 housing funds and the largesse of their landlord, an elderly woman who also tutored and helped the family place the children in good local schools. The family got some financial help from Mr. Tsarnaev's brother, who was employed by a western oil company in Kazakhstan, said the family friend.

Both boys were good students, the family friend said, but Tamerlan dropped out of community college and was soon drawn into religious matters, he said. Dzhokhar "had a gentler demeanor," the family friend said, but had also apparently taken a deeper interest in religious affairs.

A spokeswoman for Bunker Hill Community College said Tamerlan Tsarnaev was in an accounting program there but didn't receive a degree or certificate."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323809304578432501435232278.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet
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IMO, from a psychological perspective, ironically and tragically, what the uncle Mr. Ruslan Tsarni had called his nephews, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- that they are "losers" or rather, how the two brothers perceived themselves as rejects and losers even by their own uncle, his evidently well-adapted “American” family, and by society at large -- might have been the very trigger that broke the last camel's back and set the two brothers on the path of carnage destruction.

The above quotes from the WSJ article paint a very bleak picture of the two suspects' family life. They were rife with economic hardships -- living on Section 8 government funds, their dad with his limited English needing to scrounge for part-time work for meager $10 per hour jobs to make ends meet -- and their dad suddenly stricken with brain cancer 2 years ago which likely skyrocketed the expenses for the poor family, plus from other media sources, the older brother Tamerlan getting married also 2 years ago and having a child and his abandoning the college accounting program at the same time -- all this must have compounded to the brothers'


already heavily negative view about their "station" and "status" in life in America.

No doubt it must have been hard for the family to adapt to America, notwithstanding the language barriers, but particularly as refugees who already felt unwanted, persecuted, and betrayed by their own motherland Chechnya... One can only imagine how desperate and helpless the brothers must have felt, working so darn hard in school trying to better themselves with education and sports and to adapt to the American way of life, only to find that they appeared to be fighting a losing, uphill battle against circumstances they believed were beyond their control -- their dad's brain cancer, Tamerlan’s wife’s having a child perhaps unexpectedly, perhaps Tamerlan was not excelling in school and not making friends the way he wanted to, etc.

I think it’s the convergence of all these factors that precipitated Tamerlan’s need to find an immediate solution to the family plights and thus he became more radical in their religious anti-American views. He was desperate to find a way out of the hole they were in so he sought refuge in the wrong place – radical extremists. My thinking is that when he left the US last year for 6 months and lived in Russia, he met up with extremists who trained him further in their terrorist tactics. And when he returned to the states, he taught his younger brother, Dzhokhar, and Dzhokhar who was said to adore his older brother Tamerlan, followed Tamerlan’s lead, as is evidenced in the video put out by the FBI in which Dzhokhar tags behind carrying his knapsack of explosives, almost skipping happily behind, Tamerlan.

In many ways, their outraged uncle, Mr. Ruslan Tsarni was correct. The two brothers likely felt like "losers" and outcasts even within their own kins. Tragically, it is this very low self-esteem that might have motivated the brothers to seek power and vengeance against the "cruelty" of an "unjust American society". I think their bombings at the Boston marathon as well as the shootouts last night at MIT and Watertown are the brothers’ “F U” to the world.

This does not surprise me. As I said,this is who these radical groups look for. But I don't want to feel sorry for these guys. Articles like this help to understand but they also try and elicit sympathy. Plenty of people have hard lives but they don't go around slaughtering people. BooHoo,they were both in college,one went to a prestiges high school,one drives a Mercedes. That's a real tough life!