Tes search for caylee is over

[NancyT]

The story is that someone took a picture of the cross during the first search, can't take a picture of something that wasn't seen.

AHHH, well then I can see your point on this. I've not seen a picture though, have you?

 

[Chilly Willy]

AHHH, well then I can see your point on this. I've not seen a picture though, have you?

Of course not - as I said, that's that "story" put out by LP.

 

[grace60]

I'd imagine you've never seen every bead in a kit, either. You're speculating when you don't even know what's out there to the contrary. I'm telling you, some of those kits have VERY nice looking beads in them. Others are just cheap plastic.

Is Amy missing any beaded jewelry? Or anyone else that she was "friends" with? She could have taken someone's and re-strung it.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

<snipped from updated article>
On Saturday, Equusearch concluded its largest single-day search. The last group of volunteers and workers headed out around 3 p.m. on Saturday afternoon for a final sweep of four search zones in East Orange County.

An hour earlier, a select group of Equusearch workers headed to an undisclosed secured area near the airport. There was no word on what may have led this specialized, trained team to the area.
Equusearch will leave tomorrow, but the group plans on searching up into they pack up. Equusearch also says it could be back in the future.

Article Link:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p...=24&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

I'm holding onto hope that TES knows something!

 

[Misfit76]

"4. Her cell pinged near where a HANCOCK FABRIC store is in East Orlando. Here in FL Hancock fabrics is popular. They sell discontinued fabrics, burlap, upholstery material, plastic and yes, crafts and beads. Yes there was a receipt from Hancock Fabrics for somewhere around $8-$9."

(snipped)

I noticed you mentioned burlap and fabrics. Was just wondering if she could've purchased a rug, burlap, a piece of carpet, etc or something like that to put Caylee's body in.

 

[pb6656]

Doesn't anybody remember the bracelet she made the little girl who ended up in the hospital?

 

[Fuzzymuffin]

re: Bead discussion. Making beaded jewelry has become pretty popular. If these beads are quite common then it doesn't seem as significant to me that the cross found in a public park was made from them or that similar beads were seen at the A's home.

 

[NancyT]

I had an above ground pool taken out of a home and the guys tapped the shovel into the liner to let the water drain and it split wide open. I can't see KC using a shovel in the pool and not hitting the liner. If the liner was damaged in that way it would have had to be replaced.

Now this is an excellent point. I agree that the shovel wasn't used in the pool, but this really does somewhat reinforce the point.

 

[Pink Panther]

Cocoa, are you saying it's already known that the beaded cross has no connection to Caylee?

This is what David Lohr reported this morning:

"Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

My understanding is that a second cross was found today – I am not sure if it was a jewelry item or marker – but law enforcement has since discovered that it had been placed in the area by the family of a murder victim. It is unrelated to the case."

 

[LI_Mom]

I had an above ground pool taken out of a home and the guys tapped the shovel into the liner to let the water drain and it split wide open. I can't see KC using a shovel in the pool and not hitting the liner. If the liner was damaged in that way it would have had to be replaced.

Not only that but IF Casey is outside the pool... is the shovel long enough to even reach a submerged body? Can she latch onto it & pull it? Seems like it would take a lot of patience to grab the body AND a whole lot of strength to manipulate the shovel at that angle.

If Casey is IN the pool, why waste time with a shovel... grab the body & stop wasting time. You never know when a neighbor could walk through your backyard.

Nah, the shovel most likely was used to break the lock.... Casey wanted the gas cans. She might have wanted to drive far away to dump Caylee & needed some free gas.

 

[belimom]

I'm very touched and amazed at the number of people who showed up to search for Caylee. And for the time and money spent by TES on this search. I do understand their need to move on, however... I'm not sure exactly what other families he was talking about, but there is a 3-yr-old girl and her mother who went missing Friday. At this point, resources may be better spent looking for a child who has a good chance of still being found alive, versus poor little Caylee. With TM having lost a daughter b/c no one would go search early in the places that made the most sense, I can understand him wanting to take time off from searching for Caylee to help look for others who may still be alive. I'm sure he'll be back again, if Caylee isn't found tomorrow.

 

[mysteriew]

LP: Tomorrow 8am the dive team, sheriffs office, FBI, etc. will be here. Memorial Tuesday Morning for Caylee. On the 18th KC tried to make the death look like she drowned in the pool. But the body went to the bottom and she couldn't get it, she borrowed a shovel to scoop the baby out of the pool SHE KNOCKS OVER THE LADDER. Then she put the baby in a garbage bag on the grass, then into the trunk. The bag seals and that is why the forensics only said 2.5 days of decomp. She has her in the trunk. On 28th she takes her to Blanchard Park and turns her phone off, 8-12 hours. She takes the baby out of the trunk the bag rips, fluid on her, the car, etc. SOMEONE DRIVE HER TO HER MOMS THE NEXT DAY, KC CALLS JC PENNEY AND GETS IT AND TAKES IT OVER TO THE TREE AS A MEMORIAL. I HOPE I GOT ALL OF IT.

At a guess I think someone is talking. So much detail, more detail than usual it could only come from someone who knows the story.

 

[Pink Panther]

TWO TWO TWO crosses are being discussed.

 

[cocoamom]

I think gators most definitely do hunt. What I heard is, they won't dig for their food. Thus meaning, a suitcase or even a shallow grave would keep the gators at bay.

I know gators well too - airboated for years on the St. Johns River with hubby and friends. Gators are pretty lazy. That's why they just kind of float right up on their prey (aka turtle or whatever). They open their mouth and gulp! They really don't "go hunting". They don't have to here! You are picturing the African Crocodiles that you see on TV. THEY hunt! They go after zebras drinking, etc.

Alligators here will grab a dog or sometimes a person at the edge of a lake if they are over-populated in that water and there isn't enough food. Thing is, we humans don't know if they have enough to eat or not so we try to just stay away always. Living here you kind of figure out what areas are likely to have less food like small ponds (a small pond is not really a small pond as you picture in FL. small is probably a 10 acre body of water). Also, they will attack if humans feed them - chicken or garbage or whatever by dumping in the same place a lot. Yes there are stupid people who do this.

The Econ river in the park doesn't have a lot of gators. They tend to go away from populated areas and more towards the nature preserve areas of the park where they can get turtles, snakes, frogs, and the occasional clumsy SQUIRREL that falls from a tree!! There are more fish in these areas too. There are a lot of gators in the notorious Lake Monroe in Sanford - they reach record sizes - 12-14 feet sometimes. Also that other lake that WS was talking about as a possibility. Those lakes are HUGE and DEEP. If ....oh I don't want to think about it!

Also,the gators won't go tearing into a suitcase or bag unless maybe something was sticking out and they were awfully hungry.

 

[twitterpated]

Cocoa, are you saying it's already known that the beaded cross has no connection to Caylee?

There were two crosses found- one during the first seach- this is the one in question by LP. There was a second one found yesterday that was determined to be placed there by another family and unrelated to this case. Here is the link:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/get-the-latest.html

 

[Macushla]

I see it differently, Edam. The area to be search is so vast, there's just too much to search. It's like looking for a needle under a thousand haystacks without even knowing if the needle is under the hay at all. I think it's wise for Tim to give up and I think he deserves everyone's support in that. The search effort has failed, but we don't want Tim to feel that he personally has failed.

thank you for this post Chilly. Folks, I was there for both days of the search - I did not go out and search, but talked to many searchers who did. At times, they were searching through brush so thick, they could not see each other from 2 feet away. If you could just see the area, the sheer size of the sections that were searched - you would be amazed that they did as well as they did. Unless you are here, at ground level, you can't imagine how thick and brushy some areas are. I hope some of the searchers who were out will stop by and just describe what they went through so you have an idea of just what a difficult thing it was just getting through some of the areas.

TES has done all they can at this point. Where else should they look? I think they narrowed down the areas as best they could and put as many people on the ground searching as they could. While we all would like to think LE and TES knew exactly what areas to search, it is entirely possible that Caylee was left in a completely different area. We just don't know.

TES is an incredible organization who poured their heart and a whole heck of a lot of money into this search. It is heart breaking that they are moving on - but what more do you want them to do????? At the end of the day, they searched as hard as they could, but there comes a time when you have to step back and say, we have done all we can, we need to move on.

Please do not disparage Tim Miller or TES. Please understand that a lot of what was said about 'finding her this weekend' was not said by TES. But most important - please keep Caylee in your hearts and say a thank you to Tim Miller and TES for the incredible effort they put into this. I can tell you that every single member of TES is in agony about this decision - it was not made lightly, it was made with a heavy heart. I am so thankful that I had a chance to meet the people involved in this wonderful organization and they have my support now and forever!

May the Gods watch over you, Tim Miller and TES, and always hold you in the palms of their hands.

 

[sweetmop]

This is what David Lohr reported this morning:

"Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

My understanding is that a second cross was found today – I am not sure if it was a jewelry item or marker – but law enforcement has since discovered that it had been placed in the area by the family of a murder victim. It is unrelated to the case."

Thank you for that update Pink.

 

[Chilly Willy]

This is what David Lohr reported this morning:

"Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

My understanding is that a second cross was found today – I am not sure if it was a jewelry item or marker – but law enforcement has since discovered that it had been placed in the area by the family of a murder victim. It is unrelated to the case."

Thanks so much, PP. That makes things much clearer, although it makes no sense at all. So, the second cross, found today, is a non-issue. The first cross, which was photographed and then disappeared, was supposedly found during the first search effort - which was how long ago?

Here's the part that makes no sense - IF LE believed the cross was connected to this case, why would they ignore it? The search efforts should have been totally focused on Blanchard Park. I think LP is blowing smoke again, and a lot of people will be wasting a lot of time and effort because of it.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Thanks so much, PP. That makes things much clearer, although it makes no sense at all. So, the second cross, found today, is a non-issue. The first cross, which was photographed and then disappeared, was supposedly found during the first search effort - which was how long ago?

Here's the part that makes no sense - IF LE believed the cross was connected to this case, why would they ignore it? The search efforts should have been totally focused on Blanchard Park. I think LP is blowing smoke again, and a lot of people will be wasting a lot of time and effort because of it.

It's coming from LP what did you really expect?

 

[Pink Panther]

Thanks so much, PP. That makes things much clearer, although it makes no sense at all. So, the second cross, found today, is a non-issue. The first cross, which was photographed and then disappeared, was supposedly found during the first search effort - which was how long ago?

Here's the part that makes no sense - IF LE believed the cross was connected to this case, why would they ignore it? The search efforts should have been totally focused on Blanchard Park. I think LP is blowing smoke again, and a lot of people will be wasting a lot of time and effort because of it.

I'm afraid that I can't answer your questions. All I know is that I am completely disillusioned with everyone today.