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I’m genuinely confused. I was firmly in the camp that H&M shouldn’t leave and the announcement was inappropriate. But they left, it’s done, the BRF dealt with the issue and came to a resolution.

Despite my reservations about it, H&M’s announcement was very clear: we are leaving to become financially independent and run our own charitable organization. Now they’re doing exactly what they said, after only one month: earning money and working to set up their charitable organization.

Did people think they were going to get jobs at Target? Giving paid speeches is like the best benefit of being a famous person. Think of your favorite famous person - politician, celebrity, retired athlete, scientist - they love giving paid speeches! This thread was full of jokes about Sussex blenders (myself included!) and now they’re doing the actual responsible famous person thing and earning lots of money by giving benign uplifting speeches to rich people.

I guarantee every person on this thread would give a speech to JPM bankers for $250,000 knowing everyone is going to clap and be nice even if your speech was awful. If you say you wouldn’t you’re lying. So stop it.
 
Alethea said:
I’m genuinely confused. I was firmly in the camp that H&M shouldn’t leave and the announcement was inappropriate. But they left, it’s done, the BRF dealt with the issue and came to a resolution.

Despite my reservations about it, H&M’s announcement was very clear: we are leaving to become financially independent and run our own charitable organization. Now they’re doing exactly what they said, after only one month: earning money and working to set up their charitable organization.

Did people think they were going to get jobs at Target? Giving paid speeches is like the best benefit of being a famous person. Think of your favorite famous person - politician, celebrity, retired athlete, scientist - they love giving paid speeches! This thread was full of jokes about Sussex blenders (myself included!) and now they’re doing the actual responsible famous person thing and earning lots of money by giving benign uplifting speeches to rich people.

I guarantee every person on this thread would give a speech to JPM bankers for $250,000 knowing everyone is going to clap and be nice even if your speech was awful. If you say you wouldn’t you’re lying. So stop it.
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I wouldn't for any amount of money and that's not a lie. I'm happy with my speechless life and an insane amount of money wouldn't change my mind.
 
sillybilly said:
I don't see Prince Harry's speaking engagement being about his mother's horrific accident but moreso about mental illness ensuing from that horrific accident.

Both Prince William and Prince Harry are known to have a passion for mental health initiatives that promote awareness of the stigma of mental illness. Whether someone died 25 years ago or 2 years ago, the effect on loved ones is unique to the individual. The fact that PH only started therapy 7 years ago and obviously still deals with issues related to his mother's tragic death, is evidence that his life experience was severely affected by his unique circumstances. I don't think any "get over it" approach is in order in any case where a person is experiencing such long term grief.

I don't know that PH has previously "profited" from speaking engagements any different than other members of the BRF profited from theirs. If the Queen pays her children for their speaking engagements they carry out on her behalf, I fail to see how that differs from Prince Harry receiving money from wealthy private individuals who are willing to pay him for his speaking engagements based on his own knowledge and personal experience with mental illness.

What's the difference between former presidents and first ladies who can command $2000 to $3000 for tickets to their speaking engagements, and PH who is being vilified for doing basically the same thing given his own life experience?
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Yes. Everyone is wired differently. Everyone’s experience of trauma, even the same trauma, differs. I have 3 siblings. Much of our childhood trauma was shared. Each of us views it differently, feels it differently, and deals with it differently. I would never presume to tell any one of them how they should deal with it because the best way to deal with it varies from person to person. There is no way to judge this because we can’t climb into each other’s skin and really know what that would be.

It also doesn’t matter that it was decades ago. Not only are there residual effects, but it has shaped who each of us has become, how they parent, for instance, and why I chose not to be a parent at all.

What’s needed is that we recognize these individual differences and show compassion, be supportive of the other’s journey through it.
 
Alethea said:
I’m genuinely confused. I was firmly in the camp that H&M shouldn’t leave and the announcement was inappropriate. But they left, it’s done, the BRF dealt with the issue and came to a resolution.

Despite my reservations about it, H&M’s announcement was very clear: we are leaving to become financially independent and run our own charitable organization. Now they’re doing exactly what they said, after only one month: earning money and working to set up their charitable organization.

Did people think they were going to get jobs at Target? Giving paid speeches is like the best benefit of being a famous person. Think of your favorite famous person - politician, celebrity, retired athlete, scientist - they love giving paid speeches! This thread was full of jokes about Sussex blenders (myself included!) and now they’re doing the actual responsible famous person thing and earning lots of money by giving benign uplifting speeches to rich people.

I guarantee every person on this thread would give a speech to JPM bankers for $250,000 knowing everyone is going to clap and be nice even if your speech was awful. If you say you wouldn’t you’re lying. So stop it.
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No, I absolutely would not. And if I did, that would make me a greedy hypocrite. I do agree that that's exactly how a lot of "celebrities" make more money than most people earn in 12 lifetimes, but that doesn't make it right laudable or immune from criticism. Quite the opposite, imo.
 
I think Harry must feel torn about his decision to leave the royal job. But the thirties can be a very defining time for some. In Harry’s case, the rebellion is coming later.

I also think part of Harry’s mindset was that he felt unlucky in love. —jmo. His first two loves didn’t want the royal life in a fish bowl. And he wasn’t ready to leave. Even though H&M have participated in creating their own drama, the experience of getting raked over by the press was the last straw. I cannot blame him in the least for leaving that life. Yet still, I think he’ll miss his family and the British traditions. Not sure he’s the personality type to embrace the USA. But you never know. And you never know for not trying. The change is huge for him.

Do I think giving paid speeches to potential investors is going to be satisfying for him? It’s very possible it will not be.

Also, if they are going to go this route they should lose the duke and duchess titles. It’s antethical to the principals of the BRF. If they did that by choice, I’d have more respect.
 
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All that past talk about Frogmore I had forgotten that Queen Consort of Yugoslavia-Maria of Yugoslavia was buried there from 1961 until 2013. She was transferred to Serbia in 2013 to be reburied there.
I'm starting to wonder who else is buried at Frogmore.
 
HongKongPhooey said:
Secure my family's future for an hour's work?

Where do I sign?!!!!
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I would never bank on my parent's death. Talking about mental health is one thing but referencing to his mother's accident over and over is another thing. Money would not motivate me to reference my deceased mother in the media. It is all about morals. Death does not equal $$$$$.... MOO
 
Oregonmama said:
I would never bank on my parent's death. Talking about mental health is one thing but referencing to his mother's accident over and over is another thing. Money would not motivate me to reference my deceased mother in the media. It is all about morals. Death does not equal $$$$$.... MOO
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Bank on my parents' death?? I'm talking about making a speech.
 
I don’t recall a transcript of Harry’s speech being released. But afaik Harry was reportedly talking about the effect on him, and his emotional well being. And the importance of including one’s mental state in the discussion about health. Who knows better than the high profile child of an icon, with a tragic end? Not everyone can withstand the fish bowl existence. So, for Harry, who I believe is talking about his experience, has few people in the company of royal issues. And without a defined role as an heir to the throne it’s like he’s getting all the bad press and none of the benefits. It’s not surprising that he’s over the edge. And I hope he and Meghan can find the peace they are looking for.

William is constrained by the BRF from being too personal. But he is making choices that shows a comaradie with groups that can and do talk about the personal. And in that way people can relate more easily. Mental health can be terribly isolating and PW is showing the joy and relief in talking it through with people who have similar experiences. He’s got a wonderful and strong partner in Kate, too. I’m enjoying watching them blossom as the future of the monarchy. —It seems like the BRF is evolving with a younger generation which is a great thing. —jmo
 
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