The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[PositiveLight]

Question....does anyone remember the name of the school Burke started attending the school year before the murder?

Patsy wrote of it in the 1995 Xmas letter.

Also what year did the Ramsey's move to CO?

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/1995christmasnewsletter.htm
High Peaks was the school.
They moved to Boulder in 1991
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patsy_Ramsey

 

[ElleElle]

I'm sure they found that out after the fact. But by then it was too late. That night/early morning IMHO they were only trying to cover the crime and THOUGHT something could happen to Burke and plus their perfect reputation would be soiled. They are a vain family in my opinion. Always have and always will be. Although, I hate to lump his other two kids into that assumption considering I haven't done much research on them. I DO wonder very often how they feel about all of this.

Thanks PL. That's a perfectly good explanation. Sounds like everything was done in haste, and the first reaction was to protect Burke. :cheers:

 

[Magdalyn]

They didn't know he couldn't be charged, and even if he weren't charged with a crime, he'd definitely have been removed from their home and probably put in state care for years, if not permanently. Then there is the scandal from such publicity. They had ample reason not to tell the truth that morning.

Ramsey called his lawyer early. His lawyer would have told him. No police investigation or DA would have gone after them in that time (a couple of days) if the Ramseys had gone with their lawyer to see the police and make a statement about that. At any rate, adults instinctively know a small child isn't going to be guilty and charged. If it was someone in the house, it would have been one of the parents.

Except the situations are totally different and the boys were unsupervised and a couple of years older and they had a premeditated purpose to kill.

Keep it polite, thanks.

We know that the Ramseys got lawyered up early. Within days. Stop putting things in my post. I never said they called the lawyer BEFORE the police were arrived. Normal people generally have an instinctive feel for culpability with age. I don't judge a small child's actions the same as a teen. And I don't judge a teen's actions the same as an adult. I don't know what took place between the Ramseys and their lawyers, I was speculating. Not like you haven't on here.

You are assuming a lot.

First of all, in context, we were initially discussing with you why would they need to cover-up. If they perpetrated a cover-up, they would have to decide on a cover up to protect Burke BEFORE they called police. They'd need to stage. You replied to Heymom that they called their lawyer early, so they'd know what juvenile law was, and would therefore know he was too young to prosecute. In order for them to talk to their lawyer to know Killer Burke couldn't be held accountable, and therefore determine they didn't need a cover-up, and could just be honest, they'd have to talk to their lawyer BEFORE they called 911. So that first post of yours (above), in context of our conversation, implies they spoke with their lawyer early. She said that morning. You said they'd know from talking to their lawyer. If that's not what you meant, then your response following Heymoms's top post was not a valid argument.

Secondly, the above attached posts are chock full of assumptions from you, if you'll read back your own posts subjectively.
You've assumed what a lawyer would say, what no district attorney or police investigator would do, what adults instinctively know, that the boys I compared Burke's case to were older than 10, that Jonbenet and Burke were supervised, that Burke did not premeditate, and, again, that normal people have an instinctive feel for culpability with age.

Who determines that the Ramseys are 'normal people' ?

 

[MaryMac250]

Keep it polite, thanks.

We know that the Ramseys got lawyered up early. Within days. Stop putting things in my post. I never said they called the lawyer BEFORE the police were arrived. Normal people generally have an instinctive feel for culpability with age. I don't judge a small child's actions the same as a teen. And I don't judge a teen's actions the same as an adult. I don't know what took place between the Ramseys and their lawyers, I was speculating. Not like you haven't on here.

OK, I'm keepin it polite, but Mr. B. is not. Listening to the Peter Boyles interview of Fleet and Priscilla White, They say Fleet was contacted 12/26 by Mike Bynum. The next day he (Fleet) met with the Ramsey law team in Mike Bynum's office. So, yes, it looks like Bynum was in touch with the Ramseys early on.

 

[MaryMac250]

OK, I'm keepin it polite, but Mr. B. is not. Listening to the Peter Boyles interview of Fleet and Priscilla White, They say Fleet was contacted 12/26 by Mike Bynum. The next day he (Fleet) met with the Ramsey law team in Mike Bynum's office. So, yes, it looks like Bynum was in touch with the Ramseys early on.

While we're on the topic, how ok is it that a former (?) member of the Boulder DA's office is there advising the Ramseys from the get-go? Even if he was a family friend. It's particularly aggravating to me, that it seems he spearheaded the Ramseys talkin to the defense before the police.

 

[carolinea]

Listening to that Peter Boyle interview and something confirmed for me at least how vain PR was. Priscilla White was helping PR get ready for the interview because she was so drugged up, and Priscilla had to talk her out of wearing a mink coat and her big diamonds.... What in the absolute HELL would make a "grieving mother" want to put all that crap on? I'd be without makeup, snot on my face, hair messy and still be in my pjs. Probably requiring heavy sedation too. Even with the meds PR was getting dolled up for her interview. :notgood:
(Fleet and Priscilla state THEY DID NOT tell the Ramsey's to go on tv. Just in case anyone is curious to that.)
Apparently when they went over the next day in Atlanta after the funeral to eat again with the family, they walked in to the chaos of them getting ready to go do the interview. Very interesting listening!

IMO, it was all a performance for Patsy. She loved to perform and be the center of attention, and she used her daughter's death as a way to do it. Maybe that's not fair of me to say, I don't know. But I've felt it since reading in PM, PT that she cried when talking about the media treating her poorly, but a few minutes later talked about JBR's death with completely dry eyes and no agitation.

 

[PositiveLight]

IMO, it was all a performance for Patsy. She loved to perform and be the center of attention, and she used her daughter's death as a way to do it. Maybe that's not fair of me to say, I don't know. But I've felt it since reading in PM, PT that she cried when talking about the media treating her poorly, but a few minutes later talked about JBR's death with completely dry eyes and no agitation.

I totally agree with you! I feel the same way honestly. She reminds me of Scarlett Ohara... so dramatic!

 

[cubbeegirl]

I know! I am like Right now I'm reading this in regards to this http://www.westword.com/news/jonben...got-derailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856

"By the end of the session, Ramsey was assuring the Whites that he and Patsy would return to Boulder. Far from being incensed, the Ramseys invited the couple to brunch at the Paughs' on New Year's Day. The Whites arrived and learned that John and Patsy were scheduled to appear on CNN later that day. Priscilla helped Patsy, who was still heavily medicated, get ready for her close-up, urging her to not to wear her diamond ring and mink coat. John Ramsey would later claim that it was Fleet White's idea for the parents to appear on national television and defend themselves; Fleet denies it, saying he was intent on getting the Ramseys to cooperate with the police. Priscilla remembers the two men sitting together on a couch that morning, talking earnestly and holding hands for several minutes before the Whites left for the airport."

Good read ...thanks for the link !

 

[Linda7NJ]

OK, I'm keepin it polite, but Mr. B. is not. Listening to the Peter Boyles interview of Fleet and Priscilla White, They say Fleet was contacted 12/26 by Mike Bynum. The next day he (Fleet) met with the Ramsey law team in Mike Bynum's office. So, yes, it looks like Bynum was in touch with the Ramseys early on.

The Ramsey lawyer interviewed Fleet before the police even.


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[Heymom]

What happened? Did someone figure out she was probably Scarlett Scarpetta?

I just found some of Scarlett's previous posts. It was very likely the same person, she was going on and on about the "stakes" all of the players had in the case, etc. Good spotting.

 

[otg]

The GJ actually indicted them on assisting in the cover up of someone who committed First Degree Murder. I have to believe the grand jury had good reason for this finding. They saw evidence we will never see probably. First Degree Murder is a lot different than an accidental death in my opinion.

First Degree Murder can also be the charge when a person is accidentally killed during the commission of another felony (robbery, kidnapping, rape, child abuse, etc.). In Colorado, that is what is called Felony Murder (1st-degree). Other states call that "aggravating circumstances" which raises the level (or degree) of the crime -- even if the death is accidental.

 

[ThinkHard]

You don't suppose BR had poisoned that poor dog do you?

 

[Heymom]

The Ramsey lawyer interviewed Fleet before the police even.


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Considering that Burke had spent a good part of the day at the White's house, and that Fleet was right behind John when John "discovered" the body of JonBenet, it was vitally important that the lawyers find out what Fleet had seen & possibly what Burke had said/done.

 

[Heymom]

You don't suppose BR had poisoned that poor dog do you?

Well, we might be able to give him the benefit of the doubt - pet store puppies are usually from puppy mills and it's not unusual that they are not the healthiest puppies - some do have congenital health problems from the start.

 

[ThinkHard]

In regards to the lawyer early on...

It seems to me if they had one involved, it was because whatever happened, they knew suspicioun would fall on them.

If the parents truly believed "foreign factions" had come for their daughter....I'd think the first thing on their mind would be to FIND their daughter, followed by shock and grief when she was found......and then perhaps the realization the should retain legal council during the investigation.

Getting a lawyer involved as quickly as they did tells me others things were on their mind then the natural reaction if being focused on simply finding her.

That early, if their minds were already thinking about legal council, they already had good reason to cover their butts.

 

[ThinkHard]

Well, we might be able to give him the benefit of the doubt - pet store puppies are usually from puppy mills and it's not unusual that they are not the healthiest puppies - some do have congenital health problems from the start.

Yes we could and we will never know for sure anyways.

But harming animals can often come before harming humans.....and it's typically troubled kids that do both....and we know Burke was troubled, and he likely harmed JBR.....so I can't help but wonder.

 

[TeaTime]

Ugh! I listened to this.

FW does not buy the intruder theory. He and PW have fought for years to have the NK investigation documents released as well at the entire 18 pages of the GJ Rue Bill all to no avail.

FW and PW suggest to JR and PR that they must return to Boulder from Atlanta after the funeral which conflicted with what the Ramsey lawyers were advising. Bot PR and JR stated that they were not going to return to CO.

Neither FW nor PW knew anything about the CNN interview until a few minutes before the car arrived to transport PR and JR to the studio.

Once back in Boulder, the Ramseys never spoke to the Whites again but did cast suspicion their way.

They just want to know what happened to JonBenet.

Most of the interview is about tabloid sensationalism of the story and how 2 DA's avoided saying or doing anything other than look for an intruder under every rock.

 

[Sparko96]

Some great discussions. Early in the blog history of this case, we would discuss evidence on CNN's early news site. We believed that the Rs had paid trolls or even family members to derail discussions. Generally they would deride evidence and motives and turn the board into a sockpuppet theater of the absurd. Scarlett faux pediatrician was likely there as well, same speech patterns. And there was always a slightly more reasonable good cop who would ask questions like "what if the child on the 911 was JBR". Suffice it to say, I am grateful the ratio of truth to trolls has finally bent towards justice.


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[Magdalyn]

Yes we could and we will never know for sure anyways.

But harming animals can often come before harming humans.....and it's typically troubled kids that do both....and we know Burke was troubled, and he likely harmed JBR.....so I can't help but wonder.

Honestly, that was my first thought when I heard about the dog switch. Not like Patsy would tell the person, "Yeah, Burke killed him so we had to replace him."

 

[PositiveLight]

Honestly, that was my first thought when I heard about the dog switch. Not like Patsy would tell the person, "Yeah, Burke killed him so we had to replace him."

I thought the same thing. That's so sad. Plus how in the hell does a family not recognize their own doggie? Even if he did spend a lot of time at the neighbors. "Just sweep it under the rug and no one will notice..." :notgood: