None of that is evidence that he was present at the time of JB's death. Fingerprints on a bowl isn't proof of killing. Since there is no connection to the bowl with JB, its only circumstantial that they ate the same fruit at one stage that day. Hardly a revelation. Nor is being awake sometime prior to the killing. The 911 call is very inconclusive, and like the Trayvon Martin audio tapes, different people conclude it differently. Being awake in the morning in his own room, ditto.
The pineapple evidence is all over the shop. With claims by "experts" (who do we believe?) that she may have eaten the pineapple as early at 4.30pm!
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682517/The Pineapple Evidence
There seems so little circumstantial evidence, and what is left is argued this way and that. jmo
Ok the meal ate at the Ramsey's was already digested and within the large intestine by the autopsy report. The pineapple was in the proximal portion of the small intestine. Proximal- point of origin or attachment (Attachment of the small intestine to the stomach.)
Meaning it had just entered the small intestine. It was still identifiable as pineapple. There is absolutely NO way for the pineapple to have been eaten before the meal at the White's. If it had been, it would be past the fecal matter( remnants of meal at the White's) but it wasn't. It was in the upper portion of the small bowel only starting to be digested. The rest of the small intestine PAST the pineapple was unremarkable. Meaning there was not fecal matter within that area. This leaves a large gap between the time she ate her meal at the White's to the time she ate the pineapple.
http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/ramsey, jonbenet_report.pdf
The area they are referring to is the duodenum of the small intestine. It's the very first part of the small intestine where stomach contents dump into.
Burke himself recently admitted on Dr. Phil that he had in fact been downstairs after the family was asleep. When asked if he ate pineapple with JonBenet during that time he nervously said "Umm Maybe??" That is telling. He puts himself in the time frame when JonBenet ate the pineapple and when she died. The head wound was said to be 45 min- 2 hours prior to the strangulation. The head wound alone would have killed her but it did cause brain death per Dr. Spitz (who has done over 60,000 autopsies.) She very well could have appeared dead when the garrote was applied. The abrasions on her that Smit referred to as stun gun marks actually had puncture type injuries in the middle of them matching the train track. The reason there is no blood found at the site was there was no blood circulation.
Quoted from the CBS documentary:
Schuler- "Now when you go to bed at night what was your normal routine? I mean would you get a snack
before you went to bed?"
Burke- "Um..I might get a snack. Not usually."
Schuler- "If you got a snack, what would you normally get? Or what would mom let you have?"
Burke- "Pudding or yogurt."
Schuler-"Pudding or yogurt? Some parents let kids have cookies and candy and cereal and fruit and
things like that."
Burke- "Yeah, she'd suggest like fruit."
Schuler- "So what kind of fruits would you typically have at home?"
Burke- "Like pineapple, maybe (He becomes very fidgety)"
Schuler- "Yeah, do you like that?"
Burke-" Yeah."
Schuler- "Okay. Is that your favorite fruit?"
Burke- "Probably." (smiling)
Schuler- "What was JonBenet's favorite snack?"
Burke- "I don't think she had a snack."
Schuler- "What about pineapple, did she like pineapple?"
Burke- "Yeah, she liked pineapple a lot."
Back in the war room
Laura- "So one of the key issues with this case comes back to something that might look quite
innocuous and inconsequential. But it actually tells us a lot about what probably went on."
Clemente- "In JonBenet's small intestine there was a piece of organic material that looks like
pineapple."
Dr. Lee- "I want to know the condition of the pineapple."
Spitz- "You mean the degree of digestion? Yeah did the pathology report indicate what the
pineapple looked like? Or the gastric contents?"
Clemente- "What it says is the proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented
pieces of yellow to light green tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may
represent fragments of pineapple."
Laura- "The remaindner of small intestine is unremarkable."
Dr. Lee- "Which means it's way after the meal."
Dr. Spitz- "Yeah they had just been for dinner at the White's that suggests that the meal
had been ingested some time to allow digestion and evacuation from the stomach. "
Clemente- "So, she completely digested her dinner and after that she then ate this pineapple."
Dr. Spitz- "Correct. That's correct. Chances are she ate a modest amount of food let's say,
but she digested it so your talking about hours."
Timeline Again
Approx 5:30pm- Ramsey's arrive at White family party.
JonBenet eats dinner.
Approx. 8:30pm- Ramsey's leave White family party.
Approx. 10:30pm- Total emptying of stomach approx. 5 hours later.
Approx. 1:30am
Dr. Lee- "So you start linking all those dots it gives us a possible timeline."
Dr. Spitz- "Yes. You approximately know the time that they came back home."
Time line again
Approx. 8:30pm- Ramsey's leave White family party
Approx 9:15pm- Ramsey's return home, JonBenet is asleep.
Approx. 9:20pm- John Ramsey carries sleeping JonBenet to bed.
Kolar- "JonBenet was asleep when they got back."
Laura- "And we know that John Ramsey put her to bed."
Dr. Spitz- "The pineapple was ingested subsequently."
Clemente- "We do know that JonBenet's reportedly favorite dessert was pineapple and milk.
There's a bowl that looks like it's pineapple with milk sitting on the table."
Dr. Lee- "The bowl of pineapple really had quite a few pieces so something interrupted and they
did not finish eating.."
Ramsey House set up
Celemente- "Dr. Spitz do you want to look at the dining room.
Dr. Spitz- "Yeah I would like to see the bowl with the pineapple."
Clemente- "So here we go."
Laura- "So Dr. Spitz this is the original picture of the pineapple."
Clemente- "What we know from the forensics is that both Burke's and Patsy's
fingerprints are on the bowl and Burke's are on the tea cup."
Quote from Perfect Murder/ Perfect Town- Lawrence Schiller. pg. 239
"The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found
on a white bowl on the dining room table. One print belonged to Burke
and the other to Patsy."
Clemente- "Patsy had said I think that she could not have prepared this
because this size spoon is actually too big for a bowl like that. So she
would have never done that. Did Burke prepare himself some tea and
pineapple and milk?"
Laura- "There are fingerprints on the bowl and the tea."
Dr. Spitz- "Were JonBenet's fingerprints on any of this?"
Laura- "They were not."
Clemente- "But, it's certainly reasonable to believe that JonBenet may have
snatched one piece."
Dr. Spitz- "Yeah. Directly with her fingers. For um..estimating time of death
that is important."
Clemente- "Isn't it possible that JonBenet came down and saw that Burke was
eating this and took one piece. She didn't touch the bowl, she didn't touch the spoon,
she didn't touch the glass."
Dr. Spitz- "You know I have three grandchildren myself. Kids will do that. They go by
and pick up a piece with their fingers."
Laura- "I'm being a bit cheeky, and they may be running off"
Dr. Spitz- "Swallowing is a voluntary action, you have to want to swallow, so if she was
wanting to swallow, she was alive and conscious."
Clemente- "You think this could have been the tipping point that started the rest of
the cascade of events that happened on the day she died?"
Dr. Spitz- "Could be."
Video of interview with Burke as a child being shown a picture of the bowl of
pineapple.
Interviewer- "Can you tell me what this picture is?"
Burke- "That's the dining room table."
Interviewer- "Can you describe that to me?"
Burke- (leaning in and closely looking at the photo) "It's a bowl of...........
......oh (nervous laugh)...something." (small nervous laugh again)
Interviewer- "Okay.. (continues to hold photo where Burke is leaning over photo, on his knees and
rocking)"
Burke- "Looks like a glass with a tea bag in it."
Interviewer- "And? Does that look like cereal inside there? (pointing to bowl)"
Burke- (long pause) "Nooo... it looks like a little big, one piece right there..for cereal.
Maybe like fruit, but there wouldn't be a spoon in it so...I dunno(nervous laugh)"
Laura- "Such a simple question to ask so why isn't he just saying what it is. He's
evading any answer and is uncomfortable about answering it. It should be just
an insignificant conversation."
Clemente- "He looks like he's about to jump out of the seat and he was leaning all
the way over the picture. It was really weird how he did that. It's a very
dramatic change in behavior. I think he's aware that that piece of pineapple in
JonBenet's stomach actually creates a major problem in terms of the timeline
when and how she was killed."
Back to video of Burke being interviewed.
Interviewer- "Would you ever go downstairs.. downstairs in the basement and play?"
Burke- "Yeah I had a train... electric train down there."
Interviewer- "How about the last year you lived there. Did you play there much?"
Burke- "Um. (long pause)... sort of. "
Back at the Ramsey house contruction in warehouse. Kolar and Laura are
standing in the mock train room in basement.
Kolar- "When the Boulder Police Department asked me to investigate the
JonBenet case, I was looking at the stun gun and the abrasion and the autopsy
described them as abrasions vs. burn marks. Even the taser company said these were not
the types of marks that had been left by one of their stun guns. When I asked for the
one to one photos to be done of these with the air taser. And as you've seen the stun gun
marks did not align with the weapon that was being proposed and I thought that was
pretty significant."
Laura- "Right. And these particular wounds, they are on her side."
Kolar- "They were on her lower left back if I recall."
Snippet of photo of autopsy report showing the exact wording relating to the abrasion
"Abrasions of left lower back and posterior left lower leg".
Kolar- "And so a sargeant in my office said 'hey I think I might have found something
that could possibly be responsible for these injuries.' He talked about the (?) track
and I asked Boulder P.D. to do some one to one photos with this as well as with the
train tracks. These pins that connect the tracks together, and you could see that the
scaled picture of the two outside pins of the train track matched exactly to the injuries
on JonBenet. You've got this train room and pieces of track here in this room and then there
were pieces of train track in the crime scene video that were on the floor in Burke's room
as well. I thought it was an incredible discovery to find a toy in the house that could have
been responsible for these injuries."
Back to round table in war room.
Dr.Spitz- "If you look carefully at those two marks in her back, there is a central defect
within each of the marks. That defect is from something penetrated through the skin. She was
without a blood circulation at the time. And the reason that she had no circulation is that there was
no evidence of blood in the pictures that were taken of those two marks."
Back at Ramsey reconstructed home in train room. Kolar and Laura standing by trainset.
Laura- "So if we think that JonBenet suffered a blow to the head, you know she's on the floor.
She doesn't seem to be breathing, she's not conscious then somebody using a piece of train
track..."
Kolar- "Trying to see if they can get a response or awaken JonBenet. Is this something an
Adult would use to try to get a response from an unconscious girl? An adult would have been
calling 911 for an ambulance."
Laura- "Right."
Back to war room round table.
Kolar- "Like the notepad and the pen that was used for the ransom note, this is another
piece of evidence that could have been used in this assault on JonBenet and it was in the
home in the trainroom downstairs as well as in Burke's bedroom."
Dr. Spitz- "You know I would have to conclude that it's either this (holding a piece of
train track) or something like it."
Laura- "Jim and I certainly tried to speak with John and Burke and really just give them
an opportunity to speak."
Clemente- "We called John a number of times and left a number of messages on his voicemail
and they just did not want to talk to us. So from the statements that the Ramsey's
have made, we need to look at what happened according to the family."
I hope this helps.
