The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

[Susan12]

Just to clarify. Her name was Jill and he didn't get parole for her murder. He was on parole when he murdered her which is where the outcry came from. He had committed many crimes against women in the past but kept getting let out. He won't be out this time for many many years.

Ah Jill, couldn't quite get the name. He was on parole when he did it but I do remember reading he also got a parole period for this case. People were up in arms about it but the judge said it was because he confessed and needed to have a way of encouraging confession

 

[laserdisc10]

See you later, Trooper and gang

I'm off to laugh in private as I choose at Trooper's truly brilliant and hysterically funny comments

 

[alioop]

Oh this made me laugh. Hopefully Really stumbled on over to the Oscar Show OK.

Yep, Really found Oscar forum. Lunch break in South Africa at the moment. They have so many breaks and early finishes there it's incredible. The GBC trial would be double the length if it was in SA. Supposedly defence is on its last witness thank goodness.

 

[they'll get you]

It's said the jury scrapes its shoes free of the 'stuff' on the steps of the court as it departs for the day

Oh that's strange. Is it an old custom or what? I wonder who asks/suggests it.

I'll try that after I visit my inlaws.

 

[Brightbird]

Adrian Bayley got a life sentence with eligibility for parole in 35 years. Doesn't mean he will get parole though. I think he'll die in prison. When a court sets a date for parole, I thought that it was always up to the parole board if they get out then or have to wait till the full sentence is up. I could be wrong.

 

[JCB]

Adrian Bayley got a life sentence with eligibility for parole in 35 years. Doesn't mean he will get parole though. I think he'll die in prison. When a court sets a date for parole, I thought that it was always up to the parole board if they get out then or have to wait till the full sentence is up. I could be wrong.

Can't speak for other states but in Queensland if a sentence is under 3 years then a parole release date is set (with a couple of exceptions), anything over 3 years and it becomes an eligibility date rather than a "release on this day" date.

 

[JK673]

Yes, I understand his defence is funded by legal aid due to his lack of finances. I have no problem with that. That is our system to ensure justice to all, even those accused of terrible crimes.

I thought legal aid would not give you a choice of high level barristers.....you know - like QLD Health and going public vs Private......the high level doctors in the public system you mainly dont get a choice.....

 

[KG1]

Ah Jill, couldn't quite get the name. He was on parole when he did it but I do remember reading he also got a parole period for this case. People were up in arms about it but the judge said it was because he confessed and needed to have a way of encouraging confession

Posting a link for the Adrian Bayley case - 35 year non parole period!

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bayley-adrian.htm

 

[Neuromancer]

Just curious, is he genuinely that physically repulsive? To me he looks relatively normal but then again, I'm not really in the habit of checking out guys!

WARNING photos of GBC ;p

It's the eyes - a particular dead stare seen in narcissists/psychopaths.
Worth knowing, for self-preservation reasons as much as anything else.
Hard to describe but to me there's a coldness and barely concealed rage there that makes them uncomfortable to look at.

http://www.toptenfamous.com/top-10-worldwide-notorious-evil-serial-killers/
(other examples on that page too)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226959211797

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/01/06/38/baden-clay-back-on-stand-at-murder-trial


Looking into those eyes, you'll probably find you get uncomfortable and look away after a few seconds, whereas with a normal person's eyes like Allison's you can look at just fine:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226963349790




Even in this video (the infamous "little bit hurt") you can see that even though he's doing the fake sad act, the eyes keep the dead stare up
(cover the lower half of his face while watching and it's more apparent)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c76CI6vtixI#t=29

 

[JK673]

Yep, Really found Oscar forum. Lunch break in South Africa at the moment. They have so many breaks and early finishes there it's incredible. The GBC trial would be double the length if it was in SA. Supposedly defence is on its last witness thank goodness.

Most SA people I know are saying they know that they know he is guilty...given the culture over there. It will be interesting - might have to start following that one when this one is done.....

 

[kiwijayne]

WARNING photos of GBC ;p

It's the eyes - a particular dead stare seen in narcissists/psychopaths.
Worth knowing, for self-preservation reasons as much as anything else.
Hard to describe but to me there's a coldness and barely concealed rage there that makes them uncomfortable to look at.

http://www.toptenfamous.com/top-10-worldwide-notorious-evil-serial-killers/
(other examples on that page too)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226959211797

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/01/06/38/baden-clay-back-on-stand-at-murder-trial


Looking into those eyes, you'll probably find you get uncomfortable and look away after a few seconds, whereas with a normal person's eyes like Allison's you can look at just fine:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226963349790




Even in this video (the infamous "little bit hurt") you can see that even though he's doing the fake sad act, the eyes keep the dead stare up
(cover the lower half of his face while watching and it's more apparent)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c76CI6vtixI#t=29

Allison is so beautiful. Such a waste of a beautiful soul.

 

[JK673]

WARNING photos of GBC ;p

It's the eyes - a particular dead stare seen in narcissists/psychopaths.
Worth knowing, for self-preservation reasons as much as anything else.
Hard to describe but to me there's a coldness and barely concealed rage there that makes them uncomfortable to look at.



Looking into those eyes, you'll probably find you get uncomfortable and look away after a few seconds, whereas with a normal person's eyes like Allison's you can look at just fine:


Even in this video (the infamous "little bit hurt") you can see that even though he's doing the fake sad act, the eyes keep the dead stare up
(cover the lower half of his face while watching and it's more apparent)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c76CI6vtixI#t=29

It is true what they say.... "THE EYES ARE THE WINDOW TO THE SOUL"

 

[JCB]

I thought legal aid would not give you a choice of high level barristers.....you know - like QLD Health and going public vs Private......the high level doctors in the public system you mainly dont get a choice.....

Legal Aid rates are the same regardless of whether you get a junior with 6 months experience or a QC of 30 years.

If a barrister generally takes Legal Aid funded cases then they are bound by the Barristers Rules to accept the brief, conditional on time constraints. A barrister can only refuse a brief if the fee is not what would be ordinarily acceptable, prior commitments prevent appearance or is outside their professional area of expertise.

In any case it's in the best interest of the State to ensure that competent representation is provided for serious cases such as murder. The costs of a retrial far outweigh the Legal Aid scale for a top silk for a few weeks!

 

[Neuromancer]

This is what they do. I liken it to the hub of a wheel. Narcissist occupies the hub (or centre). Then the narcissist positions everyone at the end of each spoke, around the rim of the wheel. Then they isolate everyone, stuck out there on the end of the spokes

Awesome metaphor LD

 

[marlywings]

Prosecution launches tirade of accusations against Gerard Baden-Clay on trial for murder of wife Allison

July 03, 2014 12:00AM


YOU killed her. You attacked her. You smothered her. You took the life from her.

They faced off, Gerard Baden-Clay and the man who wants him in jail.

It was Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller’s final assault, a torrent of accusations that finally revealed exactly what police believe happened to mother-of-three Allison Baden-Clay.

In his fourth and final day on the stand, Baden-Clay was forced to reject and deny as Mr Fuller accused him of smothering his wife and “unceremoniously’’ dumping her body in a creek before rushing home to his children.

“You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay,’’ the prosecutor said.

“You attacked her and the only way she could respond was to lash out and claw at your face and leave marks upon it. Probably as you smothered her. And took the life from her.’’

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226975706423

 

[JK673]

Legal Aid rates are the same regardless of whether you get a junior with 6 months experience or a QC of 30 years.

If a barrister generally takes Legal Aid funded cases then they are bound by the Barristers Rules to accept the brief, conditional on time constraints. A barrister can only refuse a brief if the fee is not what would be ordinarily acceptable, prior commitments prevent appearance or is outside their professional area of expertise.

In any case it's in the best interest of the State to ensure that competent representation is provided for serious cases such as murder. The costs of a retrial far outweigh the Legal Aid scale for a top silk for a few weeks!

One thing I also have a question about:

let's say a defendant confesses that they are guilty to their lawyer but insists on pleading not guilty - what does the lawyer do?? How do you defend that?

 

[GMT1966]

he has a prissy mouth.. ... the sort of mouth that issues rules and orders and long redundant speeches on the subject of every little thing he does, thinks, says, believes is simply amazingly terrific.

prissy but attempting to be Mr Manly.

Yep "Pie Face" is a lie face...........

As my mother always said never trust a man with thin lips.........he is a very cruel man (I use this term loosely) ..........no compassion, empathy (unless for himself of course) and absolutely no conscience............ he is a pathological liar...........

Bent as a twistie..........

 

[sosocurious]

I cannot get my head around GBC trying to pass a note to the jury.
What?? information would he put in the note to the 12 members of the jury? Seriously.

 

[JCB]

One thing I also have a question about:

let's say a defendant confesses that they are guilty to their lawyer but insists on pleading not guilty - what does the lawyer do?? How do you defend that?

The lawyer can continue to act on their behalf (only if they wish) but they must not adduce any evidence that suggests that another person committed the crime. Essentially it is just making the prosecution prove their case.

 

[kiwijayne]

Awesome metaphor LD

I grew up with a narcissistic parent(Mother) and it was hard as I thought it was normal. I'm laying my soul bare here for the harsh treatment I received as a child and as an adult. It took my awesome fiance to make me realise what she truly was. Poor Allison having to deal with this as well.