The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3

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Sorry - I said it as in Pope-mobile

TM brought in to Hearing and Trial behind protective glass.

Accommodated also at taxpayers expense?

I dunno. I have my thoughts but am more interested in the thoughts of WS veterans I guess.



Interesting and I wasn't aware of that. Don't imagine it would be to protect her from the public. There's been nothing in the media to suggest she'd received threats

Gets you thinking, though, doesn't it?

Not as if she's a witness/whistle-blower in a gang-land trial

Must be a lot of murky under-currents the media's keeping under wraps?
 
Yes
Sorry - I said it as in Pope-mobile

TM brought in to Hearing and Trial behind protective glass.

Accommodated also at taxpayers expense?

I dunno. I have my thoughts but am more interested in the thoughts of WS veterans I guess.

I don't think any taxpayer in QLD would mind her being escorted to court.. on the grounds that she actually had no way out of not turning up.. that wouldn't be a factor... . once one becomes a States Prosecutors witness, one comes under the umbrella and , in many ways, the protection and the duty of care of the Prosecutors Office.. .
 
well. assuming that's what you are referring to, Consider.. it makes good sense for her to be escorted to court... by the police.. She was the Prosecution witness, and a very dicey one, too. Part of it would be to make sure she actually got there, and was escorted there as a sort of spine stiffener.. .

Part of it would be for security.. its not unknown for a certain section of the community to hurl an egg at a witness.. . its not usual, but its not an improbability, and also as protection from the press..

if you didn't mean that, well. heh.. I typed it up for nuffin!!.

Thank you

Nuff said
 
continued....

I had started to categorize the Tweets from the thread, but realize there are 103 pages of transcript to go through per category - so at this stage I only have tweet related to today - GBC talks TM and affairs.

Note: These are Tweets WSers placed today from this thread
They are in the order they were posted - not in chronological order.
I have tried to leave out repeats - some are similar - different writers.
They are the words of the msm tweeters - not official transcript.



Tweets Re: Affair.


• Gerard says by 2008, Toni McHugh had been working for them for about a year. #badenclay
• Gerard says they had started a fledgling property management business. He asked Toni to look after it. #badenclay
• Gerard says then Toni resumed being a salesperson. "We developed more of a closer relationship." #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was having some problems with her own relationship. #badenclay
• Gerard says he and Toni "started a physical relationship". I think for both of us was "purely for that". #badenclay
• Gerard says he tried to break it off with Toni on numerous occasions. Sometimes successful for days, sometimes for month or two. #badenclay
• Gerard says August 28, 2008, was when the physical relationship with Toni commenced. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni assured him she hadn't broken up her relationship for him. #badenclay
• Gerard says for him it was only a physical relationship, he didn't want any more. #badenclay
• Gerard #badenclay started affair w/ Ms McHugh in '08. First time was in his Prado, after he'd put the children to bed & returned to office.
• Gerard: She wanted me to divorce Allison and start up a relationship with her. #badenclay
• Toni left her partner, Gerard was concerned #badenclay
• 'For me it was only really a physical relationship.' Gerard on relationship with Toni of more than three years #badenclay @couriermail
• Gerard: My loyalty, it doesn't feel right using that word, my loyalty was to Allison and my children. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was a good salesperson and he was worried about the impact on the business if he separated from her permanently. #badenclay
• 10:46am: Mr Baden-Clay said Ms McHugh often asked him to leave his wife to be with her. He said he refused.
• Gerard says Toni was volatile with her moods, he was concerned about the impact on the business if they separated #badenclay
• Gerard: She pushed for things ... I'd say whatever she wanted to hear. #badenclay
• Gerard says "it was always me" who broke up with Toni. He'd say there wasn't a future for them together. #badenclay
• I'd say whatever she wanted to hear - Gerard #badenclay on Toni McHugh @couriermail
• #badenclay: "As time went on she wanted me to divorce Allison and start a life with her." @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says there was an occasion where Toni went overseas. He hoped that would "be the circuit breaker". #badenclay
• Gerard says he was with Toni "primarily for the physical intimacy". #badenclay
• Gerard says it was primarily about the physical intimacy, and he was flattered by the attention #badenclay
• Gerard says they went to see a marriage counsellor. He did not reveal the affair. "I was ashamed of it." #badenclay
• Gerard: I wanted us to be together as a family forever. #badenclay
• He said it was over the ensuing years that he tried to “break off with Toni on numerous occasions”.
• Gerard says he was still having an "on again off again" affair with Toni in 2010.
• Gerard says when he went to a conference in Sydney, he had a liaison with another woman, while seeing Toni. #badenclay
• He got together with another woman, Jackie Crane, that weekend #badenclay
• Gerard says Jocelyn approached Toni asking whether she was having an affair with him. She denied it, then acknowledged. #badenclay
• Gerard says the partners spoke to him about Toni during the partnership breakdown. #badenclay
• Gerard says at one meeting during the floods the "issue of Toni was raised". #badenclay
• Gerard: I admitted to them that there were occasions when I was effectively sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business. #badenclay
• Gerard says that got back to Toni. "She was quite justifiably very unhappy about it." #badenclay
• Gerard says he was at the office and Allison called and said they had to talk. "I sensed straight away what it was about."
• He admitted in the meeting there were occasions he was was sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business #badenclay
• #badenclay tells court he was sleeping w Toni McHugh 'for the sake of the business' because she was strong sales performer. @7NewsBrisbane
• #badenclay tells court he was sleeping w Toni McHugh 'for the sake of the business' because she was strong sales performer. @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says Allison asked whether he loved Toni. She told him he had to make a choice. #badenclay
• Gerard says there was no choice. Allison told him to end it. She didn't want Toni coming back to the business. #badenclay
• Gerard says he is not sure what Allison did after that. She might have gone home. He called Toni. #badenclay
• Gerard says they met at Toni's unit. He told her Allison had found out and he'd decided to stay with his wife. #badenclay
• Allison said "do you love her? I said no." @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was angry, yelled and screamed, threw things at him, called him "scum of the earth". #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni told him she wouldn't return to work. Said he'd ruined three years of her life. #badenclay
• Gerard: I tried to calm her down. Says Toni yelled at him to get out, she never wanted to see him again. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni texted him numerous times after he broke it off "all of which Allison saw". #badenclay
• Gerard says she tried calling, rang a couple of times from a private number. He said he "basically said nothing, just hung up". #badenclay
• Gerard says he heard Toni was "really struggling". Says he felt a great deal of responsibility for that. #badenclay
• Gerard says it was around Christmas time. He says he wanted her to know he "didn't hate her". #badenclay
• Gerard says he heard Toni was struggling emotionally, felt responsible #badenclay
• Gerard says they met at a coffee shop. Toni asked if he loved her. Says she was very fragile. "I told her I did." #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni improved a little bit, got a new job. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni didn't like what she was doing. Told him she'd had an anxiety attack at work and passed out. #badenclay
• Gerard says he and Toni met on a couple of occasions "and there were two occasions when we did have some physical contact". #badenclay
• #badenclay saying he met with Toni xmas 2011. She was fragile, asked if he loved her he said he did, but really he didn't. @9NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says he can't remember the last time he saw Toni before Allison's disappearance. Two or three weeks before. #badenclay
• Gerard says February, maybe January, 2012, was the last time he had sex with Toni. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni called him, he never called her. He would delete the calls from his call history. #badenclay
• Gerard says he would email Toni from his Bruce Overland account. Says he'd set it up years before for real estate things. #badenclay
• After Christmas 2011, Gerard and Toni had sex again twice. Allison didn't know. He used fake email address, deleted call records. #badenclay
• Baden-Clay said he was still having an “on again, off again” affair with Toni McHugh at the time.
• Gerard says Carmel said Allison needed to ask him any questions about the affair. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was a bit resistant at first. Didn't think it was helpful to "have all these issues running round and round" #badenclay
• Gerard says Carmel explained that they structure and formalise it to 15 minutes every second night. #badenclay
• “And I just told her that Al had found out and that I didn’t want to be with her, I wanted to be with Allison and the girls,” he said.
• Gerard says at that point he was doing his best to distance himself from Toni. Wasn't seeing or calling her. #badenclay
• "I was doing my best to distance myself from Toni. I wasn't calling her. I was responding to emails that she sent and answering the phone when she called. She would call usually at about 4.30/5 o'clock in the afternoon, because she knew Allison would be at home, or looking after the children," he said.
• Gerard says he was responding to her emails and answering her calls. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was wanting to reconnect and for him to leave Allison. #badenclay
• The court is being shown an email from Toni to Gerard, sent on Feb 20, 2012. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was encouraging Toni to move overseas and teach. She'd liked Dubai. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was trying to encourage Toni to do something else, and preferably "go away". #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni had a volatile personality, "expressed a little bit here" in the email. #badenclay
• Gerard: In my weakness I tended to roll over and say whatever she wanted to hear. #badenclay
• We've resumed. Gerard is talking about his relationship with Toni. #badenclay
• The court is being shown an email between Gerard and Toni on March 27, 2012. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was getting agitated and upset, asked when it was ever going to happen #badenclay
• Court shown another email from Toni. Gerard says it was part of the pressure she was putting on him #badenclay
• Gerard is asked about "the date" he gave Toni when they would be together. "I don't honestly know where that came from." #badenclay
• Gerard says he anticipated that time would come and go and Toni would be frustrated by that. He said he wanted her to leave him. #badenclay
• Gerard says he wanted Toni to decide to leave him #badenclay
• Jury shown another email from McHugh saying: "Sorry it's up to you to work out and I shouldn't interfere." #badenclay @abcnews
• Gerard says he believed Toni could get on with her life better if she was the one to break things off. #badenclay
• Gerard shown email he spent to Toni promising to leave his wife by 1 July #badenclay
• He thought she'd be able to move on more easily if it were her decision #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was harassing him, he was trying to keep her away, wasn't going to leave his wife #badenclay
• Gerard tells Toni he loves her in email. "Leave things to me now." Gerard says he meant none of it, was "trying to calm her down".#badenclay
• Another email he wrote to Toni is shown to court, where he says it was agony for him too #badenclay
• He says he was doing his best to make sure they didn't meet #badenclay
• He says when he wrote 'leave things to me', he was telling Toni to calm down, it was his decision #badenclay
• Gerard hoped a 1 July deadline would come and go and Toni would get frustrated that he wasn't leaving #badenclay
• Allison mostly wanted to know where Gerard and Toni had been intimate - Gerard #badenclay
• Gerard said one of the themes Allison would ask about is where he and Toni had "been intimate". #badenclay
• Gerard says he'd already told her he'd had sex with Toni in the Prado and she refused to drive it after that. #badenclay
• Allison was stuck on wanting to know where Gerard and Toni had sex #badenclay
• Gerard says they would go to movies in Toni's car, he was terrified of being seen. Says they never kissed or hugged in public. #badenclay
• He answered that they did drive together, went in Toni's car, had dinner once, he was terrified of being seen #badenclay
• #badenclay tells the court he and Toni went to the movies once and to Sushi train but he was terrified of being seen. @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says on one occasion he and Toni drove together, other times in convoy to "a secluded spot". #badenclay
• Gerard says he didn't lie there with Toni afterwards. They just went home, or Gerard would go back to the office and do work. #badenclay
• Gerard says Allison asked him to draw the layout of Toni's apartment. #badenclay
• Of 'trysts' in car with mistress, Gerard told Allison: "Lie there afterwards? No we didn't. It was really just about the sex." #badenclay
• Gerard says Allison asked what they had done for Toni's birthdays. "I can't even remember when Toni's birthday is." #badenclay
• #badenclay says he had to explain how he and McHugh had sex in the family car Snowy. Allison didn't want to drive the car again. @abcnews
• Gerard says he doesn't remember doing anything for Toni's birthday. #badenclay
• There were a couple of occasions they had been to a hotel, Toni had paid - Gerard #badenclay
• Allison asked if Toni ever felt bad. She had - Gerard #badenclay
• #badenclay says McHugh paid for their trysts in hotels because he didn't want it to show on his credit card. @abcnews
• Gerard says Allison asked if Toni had felt bad about him being married. He said yes, but only because Toni wanted him to divorce. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni felt bad because she wanted him to leave Allison #badenclay
• Gerard says the "remember one" remark is Allison asking couldn't he remember one of Toni's birthdays. He said he couldn't. #badenclay
• She wanted to know more about whether Gerard really regretted the affair #badenclay
• Gerard says he had spoken to Toni that afternoon. She called him. At the end of the call, he would delete from call history. #badenclay
• “There were a number of themes Allison kept revisiting which were predominantly around where Toni and I had been intimate with one another,” he said.
• He said he only drove together in Ms McHugh’s car because it was less conspicuous.
• Gerard had taken a call from Toni earlier that day but he had deleted the call record from his phone #badenclay
• Gerard says at that stage nobody in the family "was aware of the infidelity". He says he asked his dad to leave the house. #badenclay
• Gerard told them about the affair with Toni. 'They asked the question and I told them the truth' #badenclay
• He said he answered their questions frankly, even telling them about his long-time affair with Ms McHugh.
• He said he spoke with Toni McHugh that afternoon but deleted the phone records.
• “I never called Toni, she called me, and if that ever did happen I would immediately at the end of my call go into the call history and delete those calls from the call history,” he said.
• Gerard says he had spoken to Toni that afternoon. She called him. At the end of the call, he would delete from call history. #badenclay
 
“I didn’t want to panic, I still just thought Al must be on her walk somewhere and so I looked up the police number on my phone on the internet and there was a 13 number, rather than calling the emergency number, because it wasn’t like a fire burning a house down or something like that and I didn’t want to misuse the service,” he said.

If that's the case, that he wasn't so worried, then why the rushing panic that apparently caused him to scratch his face with a razor without noticing.

I guess we just have different opinions about how involved EBC, NBC and OW are in all this Trooper. I don't know for sure whether they didn't know or not. I can;t be sure whether GBC talked about his sex life with his parents or not. No one will know that but them I suppose. I just find it highly unlikely and what is written in the statement isn't pointed enough to change my opinion about that. :)

I notice that you are a verified insider, Redlightthroughpaper. Are we to understand that you are in a position to know that GBCs family were not aware of the ongoing affair.
 
Hostile witness?

hostile.. perhaps .. at times. at times, not.. She would be what is termed in certain circles, as a 'veering' witness.. it would depend on her mood, and her state of psyche at the time..


I have no doubt she was manoeuvred into being the prosecution witness from the get go.. and since its the prosecutors office job to bring witnesses around to the sensible realisation that they don't have much of a choice, this is done by a lot of handholding and pep talking..

and she had to go cold turkey on Gerard.. the prosecutors office would make sure they filled that emotional gap, in various ways.. lots of phone assurance, lots of being sort of kept up to date in regard to what gerard may be going to say about her, etc.. ..She would have been assigned 'minders'... . ..a very skilled job is that..
 
hostile.. perhaps .. at times. at times, not.. She would be what is termed in certain circles, as a 'veering' witness.. it would depend on her mood, and her state of psyche at the time..


I have no doubt she was manoeuvred into being the prosecution witness from the get go.. and since its the prosecutors office job to bring witnesses around to the sensible realisation that they don't have much of a choice, this is done by a lot of handholding and pep talking..

and she had to go cold turkey on Gerard.. the prosecutors office would make sure they filled that emotional gap, in various ways.. lots of phone assurance, lots of being sort of kept up to date in regard to what gerard may be going to say about her, etc.. ..


Well-explained, Trooper, thanks

Bet she's begging prosecution for another go now, though, in light of the way GBCs painted her
 
Well-explained, Trooper, thanks

Bet she's begging prosecution for another go now, though, in light of the way GBCs painted her

I am pretty sure she wasn't in court after her testimony.. well. the escorting stuff would stop at that point anyways.. ..

but I guess, and its a reasonable guess, that she has kept up to speed with every word.. every syllable.. every tiny inflexion..

Because I don't think her .... um.. worship has declined one iota.
 
Having a read through the tweets collated by Fig Tree and the dominant theme is that of TM, the <modnsip>according to Mr. Motivator! He's allowed her no shred of dignity
 
Having a read through the tweets collated by Fig Tree and the dominant theme is that of TM, the <modsnip> according to Mr. Motivator! He's allowed her no shred of dignity

not a flake of it.


does it matter to her, though??


don't forget.. IKYK.. I know you know. their little code..
 
Having a read through the tweets collated by Fig Tree and the dominant theme is that of TM, the <modsnip> according to Mr. Motivator! He's allowed her no shred of dignity

if you think about it. . Gerard in prison for life , would be exactly where Toni would be the happiest.. he cant get away. He cant be bonking anyone else.. he has only her to turn to.. its like a dream come true.. really..
 
Wow, FigTree, you have been a busy girl. Thanks so much for taking the time to compile this. It's just a shame that most of it is utter BS on a huge scale.

I must admit since GBC has taken the stand, I've been rolling around in fits of laughter at his incredulous babble. He is sooo transparent. I don't even know the bloke but I can read him like a book. I won't waste time pointing out all of the discrepancies in his 'testimony' to date but for my money he is a liar, a cheat and a murderer.

continued....

I had started to categorize the Tweets from the thread, but realize there are 103 pages of transcript to go through per category - so at this stage I only have tweet related to today - GBC talks TM and affairs.

Note: These are Tweets WSers placed today from this thread
They are in the order they were posted - not in chronological order.
I have tried to leave out repeats - some are similar - different writers.
They are the words of the msm tweeters - not official transcript.



Tweets Re: Affair.


• Gerard says by 2008, Toni McHugh had been working for them for about a year. #badenclay
• Gerard says they had started a fledgling property management business. He asked Toni to look after it. #badenclay
• Gerard says then Toni resumed being a salesperson. "We developed more of a closer relationship." #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was having some problems with her own relationship. #badenclay
• Gerard says he and Toni "started a physical relationship". I think for both of us was "purely for that". #badenclay
• Gerard says he tried to break it off with Toni on numerous occasions. Sometimes successful for days, sometimes for month or two. #badenclay
• Gerard says August 28, 2008, was when the physical relationship with Toni commenced. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni assured him she hadn't broken up her relationship for him. #badenclay
• Gerard says for him it was only a physical relationship, he didn't want any more. #badenclay
• Gerard #badenclay started affair w/ Ms McHugh in '08. First time was in his Prado, after he'd put the children to bed & returned to office.
• Gerard: She wanted me to divorce Allison and start up a relationship with her. #badenclay
• Toni left her partner, Gerard was concerned #badenclay
• 'For me it was only really a physical relationship.' Gerard on relationship with Toni of more than three years #badenclay @couriermail
• Gerard: My loyalty, it doesn't feel right using that word, my loyalty was to Allison and my children. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was a good salesperson and he was worried about the impact on the business if he separated from her permanently. #badenclay
• 10:46am: Mr Baden-Clay said Ms McHugh often asked him to leave his wife to be with her. He said he refused.
• Gerard says Toni was volatile with her moods, he was concerned about the impact on the business if they separated #badenclay
• Gerard: She pushed for things ... I'd say whatever she wanted to hear. #badenclay
• Gerard says "it was always me" who broke up with Toni. He'd say there wasn't a future for them together. #badenclay
• I'd say whatever she wanted to hear - Gerard #badenclay on Toni McHugh @couriermail
• #badenclay: "As time went on she wanted me to divorce Allison and start a life with her." @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says there was an occasion where Toni went overseas. He hoped that would "be the circuit breaker". #badenclay
• Gerard says he was with Toni "primarily for the physical intimacy". #badenclay
• Gerard says it was primarily about the physical intimacy, and he was flattered by the attention #badenclay
• Gerard says they went to see a marriage counsellor. He did not reveal the affair. "I was ashamed of it." #badenclay
• Gerard: I wanted us to be together as a family forever. #badenclay
• He said it was over the ensuing years that he tried to “break off with Toni on numerous occasions”.
• Gerard says he was still having an "on again off again" affair with Toni in 2010.
• Gerard says when he went to a conference in Sydney, he had a liaison with another woman, while seeing Toni. #badenclay
• He got together with another woman, Jackie Crane, that weekend #badenclay
• Gerard says Jocelyn approached Toni asking whether she was having an affair with him. She denied it, then acknowledged. #badenclay
• Gerard says the partners spoke to him about Toni during the partnership breakdown. #badenclay
• Gerard says at one meeting during the floods the "issue of Toni was raised". #badenclay
• Gerard: I admitted to them that there were occasions when I was effectively sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business. #badenclay
• Gerard says that got back to Toni. "She was quite justifiably very unhappy about it." #badenclay
• Gerard says he was at the office and Allison called and said they had to talk. "I sensed straight away what it was about."
• He admitted in the meeting there were occasions he was was sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business #badenclay
• #badenclay tells court he was sleeping w Toni McHugh 'for the sake of the business' because she was strong sales performer. @7NewsBrisbane
• #badenclay tells court he was sleeping w Toni McHugh 'for the sake of the business' because she was strong sales performer. @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says Allison asked whether he loved Toni. She told him he had to make a choice. #badenclay
• Gerard says there was no choice. Allison told him to end it. She didn't want Toni coming back to the business. #badenclay
• Gerard says he is not sure what Allison did after that. She might have gone home. He called Toni. #badenclay
• Gerard says they met at Toni's unit. He told her Allison had found out and he'd decided to stay with his wife. #badenclay
• Allison said "do you love her? I said no." @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was angry, yelled and screamed, threw things at him, called him "scum of the earth". #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni told him she wouldn't return to work. Said he'd ruined three years of her life. #badenclay
• Gerard: I tried to calm her down. Says Toni yelled at him to get out, she never wanted to see him again. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni texted him numerous times after he broke it off "all of which Allison saw". #badenclay
• Gerard says she tried calling, rang a couple of times from a private number. He said he "basically said nothing, just hung up". #badenclay
• Gerard says he heard Toni was "really struggling". Says he felt a great deal of responsibility for that. #badenclay
• Gerard says it was around Christmas time. He says he wanted her to know he "didn't hate her". #badenclay
• Gerard says he heard Toni was struggling emotionally, felt responsible #badenclay
• Gerard says they met at a coffee shop. Toni asked if he loved her. Says she was very fragile. "I told her I did." #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni improved a little bit, got a new job. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni didn't like what she was doing. Told him she'd had an anxiety attack at work and passed out. #badenclay
• Gerard says he and Toni met on a couple of occasions "and there were two occasions when we did have some physical contact". #badenclay
• #badenclay saying he met with Toni xmas 2011. She was fragile, asked if he loved her he said he did, but really he didn't. @9NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says he can't remember the last time he saw Toni before Allison's disappearance. Two or three weeks before. #badenclay
• Gerard says February, maybe January, 2012, was the last time he had sex with Toni. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni called him, he never called her. He would delete the calls from his call history. #badenclay
• Gerard says he would email Toni from his Bruce Overland account. Says he'd set it up years before for real estate things. #badenclay
• After Christmas 2011, Gerard and Toni had sex again twice. Allison didn't know. He used fake email address, deleted call records. #badenclay
• Baden-Clay said he was still having an “on again, off again” affair with Toni McHugh at the time.
• Gerard says Carmel said Allison needed to ask him any questions about the affair. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was a bit resistant at first. Didn't think it was helpful to "have all these issues running round and round" #badenclay
• Gerard says Carmel explained that they structure and formalise it to 15 minutes every second night. #badenclay
• “And I just told her that Al had found out and that I didn’t want to be with her, I wanted to be with Allison and the girls,” he said.
• Gerard says at that point he was doing his best to distance himself from Toni. Wasn't seeing or calling her. #badenclay
• "I was doing my best to distance myself from Toni. I wasn't calling her. I was responding to emails that she sent and answering the phone when she called. She would call usually at about 4.30/5 o'clock in the afternoon, because she knew Allison would be at home, or looking after the children," he said.
• Gerard says he was responding to her emails and answering her calls. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was wanting to reconnect and for him to leave Allison. #badenclay
• The court is being shown an email from Toni to Gerard, sent on Feb 20, 2012. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was encouraging Toni to move overseas and teach. She'd liked Dubai. #badenclay
• Gerard says he was trying to encourage Toni to do something else, and preferably "go away". #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni had a volatile personality, "expressed a little bit here" in the email. #badenclay
• Gerard: In my weakness I tended to roll over and say whatever she wanted to hear. #badenclay
• We've resumed. Gerard is talking about his relationship with Toni. #badenclay
• The court is being shown an email between Gerard and Toni on March 27, 2012. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was getting agitated and upset, asked when it was ever going to happen #badenclay
• Court shown another email from Toni. Gerard says it was part of the pressure she was putting on him #badenclay
• Gerard is asked about "the date" he gave Toni when they would be together. "I don't honestly know where that came from." #badenclay
• Gerard says he anticipated that time would come and go and Toni would be frustrated by that. He said he wanted her to leave him. #badenclay
• Gerard says he wanted Toni to decide to leave him #badenclay
• Jury shown another email from McHugh saying: "Sorry it's up to you to work out and I shouldn't interfere." #badenclay @abcnews
• Gerard says he believed Toni could get on with her life better if she was the one to break things off. #badenclay
• Gerard shown email he spent to Toni promising to leave his wife by 1 July #badenclay
• He thought she'd be able to move on more easily if it were her decision #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni was harassing him, he was trying to keep her away, wasn't going to leave his wife #badenclay
• Gerard tells Toni he loves her in email. "Leave things to me now." Gerard says he meant none of it, was "trying to calm her down".#badenclay
• Another email he wrote to Toni is shown to court, where he says it was agony for him too #badenclay
• He says he was doing his best to make sure they didn't meet #badenclay
• He says when he wrote 'leave things to me', he was telling Toni to calm down, it was his decision #badenclay
• Gerard hoped a 1 July deadline would come and go and Toni would get frustrated that he wasn't leaving #badenclay
• Allison mostly wanted to know where Gerard and Toni had been intimate - Gerard #badenclay
• Gerard said one of the themes Allison would ask about is where he and Toni had "been intimate". #badenclay
• Gerard says he'd already told her he'd had sex with Toni in the Prado and she refused to drive it after that. #badenclay
• Allison was stuck on wanting to know where Gerard and Toni had sex #badenclay
• Gerard says they would go to movies in Toni's car, he was terrified of being seen. Says they never kissed or hugged in public. #badenclay
• He answered that they did drive together, went in Toni's car, had dinner once, he was terrified of being seen #badenclay
• #badenclay tells the court he and Toni went to the movies once and to Sushi train but he was terrified of being seen. @7NewsBrisbane
• Gerard says on one occasion he and Toni drove together, other times in convoy to "a secluded spot". #badenclay
• Gerard says he didn't lie there with Toni afterwards. They just went home, or Gerard would go back to the office and do work. #badenclay
• Gerard says Allison asked him to draw the layout of Toni's apartment. #badenclay
• Of 'trysts' in car with mistress, Gerard told Allison: "Lie there afterwards? No we didn't. It was really just about the sex." #badenclay
• Gerard says Allison asked what they had done for Toni's birthdays. "I can't even remember when Toni's birthday is." #badenclay
• #badenclay says he had to explain how he and McHugh had sex in the family car Snowy. Allison didn't want to drive the car again. @abcnews
• Gerard says he doesn't remember doing anything for Toni's birthday. #badenclay
• There were a couple of occasions they had been to a hotel, Toni had paid - Gerard #badenclay
• Allison asked if Toni ever felt bad. She had - Gerard #badenclay
• #badenclay says McHugh paid for their trysts in hotels because he didn't want it to show on his credit card. @abcnews
• Gerard says Allison asked if Toni had felt bad about him being married. He said yes, but only because Toni wanted him to divorce. #badenclay
• Gerard says Toni felt bad because she wanted him to leave Allison #badenclay
• Gerard says the "remember one" remark is Allison asking couldn't he remember one of Toni's birthdays. He said he couldn't. #badenclay
• She wanted to know more about whether Gerard really regretted the affair #badenclay
• Gerard says he had spoken to Toni that afternoon. She called him. At the end of the call, he would delete from call history. #badenclay
• “There were a number of themes Allison kept revisiting which were predominantly around where Toni and I had been intimate with one another,” he said.
• He said he only drove together in Ms McHugh’s car because it was less conspicuous.
• Gerard had taken a call from Toni earlier that day but he had deleted the call record from his phone #badenclay
• Gerard says at that stage nobody in the family "was aware of the infidelity". He says he asked his dad to leave the house. #badenclay
• Gerard told them about the affair with Toni. 'They asked the question and I told them the truth' #badenclay
• He said he answered their questions frankly, even telling them about his long-time affair with Ms McHugh.
• He said he spoke with Toni McHugh that afternoon but deleted the phone records.
• “I never called Toni, she called me, and if that ever did happen I would immediately at the end of my call go into the call history and delete those calls from the call history,” he said.
• Gerard says he had spoken to Toni that afternoon. She called him. At the end of the call, he would delete from call history. #badenclay
 
I am pretty sure she wasn't in court after her testimony.. well. the escorting stuff would stop at that point anyways.. ..

but I guess, and its a reasonable guess, that she has kept up to speed with every word.. every syllable.. every tiny inflexion..

Because I don't think her .... um.. worship has declined one iota.



Gee, I don't know. He's told the world he couldn't get rid of her - she wouldn't be gotten rid of. Tantrums. Faints. Violence

Add to that his sworn testimony that he never intended to leave Allison, loved Allison, wanted to spend the rest of his days with Allison, etc

Scorpios are big on revenge (no offence intended to Scorpios). Wonder if the prosecution let the court know they may recall TM later in the trial? If so, GBCs betrayal of TM could result in some damning testimony to emerge
 
they could grow old together in perfect harmony in the visiting room of the Brissie prison.. for years!!.. and years and years and years.. greying, wrinkled, but hers, hers, hers...
 
they could grow old together in perfect harmony in the visiting room of the Brissie prison.. for years!!.. and years and years and years.. greying, wrinkled, but hers, hers, hers...

I have to be honest -- would love TM to come storming back into court with the item that nails his coffin shut
 
Gee, I don't know. He's told the world he couldn't get rid of her - she wouldn't be gotten rid of. Tantrums. Faints. Violence

Add to that his sworn testimony that he never intended to leave Allison, loved Allison, wanted to spend the rest of his days with Allison, etc

Scorpios are big on revenge (no offence intended to Scorpios). Wonder if the prosecution let the court know they may recall TM later in the trial? If so, GBCs betrayal of TM could result in some damning testimony to emerge

I know, I know. but Gerald is a congenital liar.. . . sworn on oath has as much meaning to him as my dog being told she can drive the car.. .. both believe it, both think they are doing it, if I hold her paws to the wheel.

I am familiar with Scorps.. am one myself. Nothing will persuade Toni that Gerard didn't murder for her.. her her her.. nothing.. that will never happen. That is her life as she sees it.. even a lobotomy wouldn't change that. . its in her bones..
 
welldone, Makara!!..

the bit I like about it is, that Elaine was so taken with Toni that SHE persuaded Gerard to employ her.. ....
 
Wow, FigTree, you have been a busy girl. Thanks so much for taking the time to compile this. It's just a shame that most of it is utter BS on a huge scale.

I must admit since GBC has taken the stand, I've been rolling around in fits of laughter at his incredulous babble. He is sooo transparent. I don't even know the bloke but I can read him like a book. I won't waste time pointing out all of the discrepancies in his 'testimony' to date but for my money he is a liar, a cheat and a murderer.

Makara - it started out as a list to make comparisons of evidence submitted prior to today regarding the subject. Then I realized how big a job that would be. Its all there - its easier to just keep reading down the list and having the flashbulb lighting up when you notice an inconsistency. Then it resembles a bad Newcastle Under 18's Disco night.
 
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