Is anyone able to tell me which day of the trial Mrs Dickie gave evidence? I'm interested in going back and re-reading.
It was on 16 June hootabelle (day4?)
Is anyone able to tell me which day of the trial Mrs Dickie gave evidence? I'm interested in going back and re-reading.
Just thinking about Allison's parents here - there must have been an awful lot of shocking information that came out about GBC and their daughter's marriage over the course of the last couple of years. Their feelings about this man must be very strong by now (and I don't mean in a good way), after hearing all the details about his dishonesty and infidelities - the droning on about Allison's illness and mental state during the trial must just top it off horribly, and I'm surprised they have been able to contain themselves while listening to it. They seem to have the sort of grace and class that no amount of money or family name can buy.
I don't even know whether 14km or so is considered a very long walk/too far for someone to cover in one hit, or would some cover that distance in an average daily walk?
I think if someone was just going for a daily walk, and ESPECIALLY when you are going to be attending a conference the same day, you would be highly unlikely to walk for more than an hour. I guess if someone was hell bent on suicide, you would just be walking and walking and crying...and who knows where you would end up. I certainly don't think that happened.
Totally agree and no I wouldn't walk 14km in one hit. An hour or 6-7km is usually enough for me. And I do it in suburbs that have good footpaths and definitely in the daylight. As I said previously, after visiting Kholo Ck yesterday, I don't think Mt Crosby Rd lends itself for walking.
And if the defense is suggesting she was "under the influence" (zoloft/alcohol...ridiculous!), then my thoughts are she would have been stumbling and wandering. Not exactly power walking! I definitely don't believe for one minute she walked to Kholo Ck.
Surely at least one car would have spotted a distressed sucidal woman walking for 3 hours?!
The level of experience and fitness is again dependant on the walk. All walks cover a distance of at least 10 km over a period of 3 to 4 hours, so walkers need to be capable of this level of walking.
http://www.walkingclubvic.org.au/for-everyone/equipment-and-experience.html
And how do feel overnight? Do you wake up early morning feeling the need to walk 14kms and throw yourself of a bridge?
I also take an antidepressant at night before bed as I find that works best for me.
The defence are clutching at straws (or Crepe Myrtles)!!
Same here when I used to be on it years ago, the lowest dose.
I took it at night before bed too because it made me feel nauseous and drowsy. It didn't have a stimulant effect on me either.
I guess we're all different.
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 2m
Byrne says is it possible she stayed up thinking about what had happened between her and Gerard. "The rawness had been opened up".#badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 2m
Byrne is reading from Allison's journal. "I don't want to be alone". He says she's up late, thinking. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 2m
Byrne: Leaves the house, after first placing Gerard's phone on the charger. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 2m
Byrne: What if she decides to go for a walk to clear her head. What if she decides to take a Zoloft? #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 2m
Byrne says what if she goes on her normal walk, decides to walk a bit further. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Byrne says maybe the Zoloft is absorbed, maybe we have Seratonin syndrome. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Byrne says maybe, somehow, she ends up in the river. Could have rendered her unconscious, maybe she drowned in the river. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Byrne says that's just one scenario. The jury may reject it. #badenclay
Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 59s
Byrne says they should reject that Gerard, for no apparent reason, with no apparent means, violently killed his wife. #badenclay
I just PMSL with THAT one....I am sorry but if I was QC for the Defence - no way would I have EVER presented this scenario - the whole day for defence has just gone out the window. LOL HOW EMBARRASSING!
Just thinking about Allison's parents here - there must have been an awful lot of shocking information that came out about GBC and their daughter's marriage over the course of the last couple of years. Their feelings about this man must be very strong by now (and I don't mean in a good way), after hearing all the details about his dishonesty and infidelities - the droning on about Allison's illness and mental state during the trial must just top it off horribly, and I'm surprised they have been able to contain themselves while listening to it. They seem to have the sort of grace and class that no amount of money or family name can buy.
What a terrible thing to add the joyous birth of this little boy into this story and make his birth a reason why his Aunty may have taken her life. Talk about damaging kids from the day of their birth. I believe that Allison would have been excited about the birth of this little boy and since her youngest was now 5 the whole not having a son would have been well passed over by the fact that she herself had 3 gorgeous little girls to teach to dance!!!!
I know! Talk about stereotypes! Hope he is always fortunate enough that his partner doesn't want/have to work if/when he has a family. Because he/she is going to have a crap life if he has those thoughts on "mummy duties"
Wow!! I have also been thinking about J. Frosts statement where she says that the affair of GBC and TM had progressed to the point where he was staying at hers until the early morning hours (words to that effect sorry) - obviously this was before Allison found out in 2011, but IMO it probably wasn't unusual for the car to be coming and going in the night, so the girls probably wouldn't notice it any more, nothing unusual.
He said they went on to discuss intimate details of where the accused had sex with his mistress in the days that followed.
“There had been, despite Ms Ritchie’s best intentions, confrontational questioning of Gerard Baden-Clay on the 18th and follow-up questions on the 19th of that affair,” Mr Byrne said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226979525605
BBM: Didn't GBC state under cross examinatiion that he and Allison did NOT discuss the affair on 19 April?
Thank-you JK673
Trying to understand the summation. I have added my thoughts to each point. Then tried to see it from somebody else's eyes. Looks a little loopy. IMO.
Byrne says is it possible she stayed up thinking about what had happened between her and Gerard. "The rawness had been opened up
Byrne is reading from Allison's journal. "I don't want to be alone". He says she's up late, thinking.
It's late, very late. After 01.00am in the morning. There a conferance early morning which Allison was preparing for. New hairdo all done and she's ready to roll. Only 5 hours to go, and no sleep yet due to the rawness, and the thinking. And more thinking.
"I dont want to be alone, so I will abandon my children, and walk out all alone into the dark night"
Byrne: Leaves the house, after first placing Gerard's phone on the charger.
"Must remember to put his phone on the charger before I go out all alone. Must be considerate enough so as not to wake him, as I reach across his body and plug it in."
Byrne: What if she decides to go for a walk to clear her head. What if she decides to take a Zoloft?
"Feel the need to clear head, pop a Zoloft from my packet of Zoloft that I carry in my pocket"
<modsnip> This is a critical time. And where is the empty Zoloft packet?
Byrne says what if she goes on her normal walk, decides to walk a bit further.
Normal walk! There never was a normal walk.
Allison was not a regular walker, or even a walker at all, as evidenced by two websleuthers who live right close by, even passing her house, and ARE regular walkers. These witnesses have NEVER seen Allison out walking. Allison's friends said the same thing. Allison's idea of exercise was with a bar of chocolate in one hand, and the walking machine in the other ...
BTW Aside from self: People who are walkers recognize people and things that car drivers do not.
Byrne says maybe the Zoloft is absorbed, maybe we have Seratonin syndrome.
<modsnip> Seratonin Syndrone has been explained by Doc Watson, a professional person with expertise in medical and surgical matters. Zoloft doesn't work like that, full stop.
Byrne says maybe, somehow, she ends up in the river. Could have rendered her unconscious, maybe she drowned in the river.
Somehow, good word, especially in fairy stories. Drowning was ruled out on autopsy. Allison did not drown.
Ended up in the river? Left home after 01.30am and walked a 6 to 8 hour walk. G reckons he woke at 06.00am. Excluding the fact that G is a proven liar, the simple maths don't add up.
Byrne says that's just one scenario. The jury may reject it.
One scenario. The only scenario? The jury may reject it. The jury are trying hard to see something resembling sense and sensibility..
Byrne says they should reject that Gerard, for no apparent reason, with no apparent means, violently killed his wife.
No apparent reason ..... quietly omitting Gerard's severe financial crisis. (I note he doesn't say that G couldn't run a chook raffle successfully. And has always relied on using other people's money. Allison's included)
No apparent means: Doesn't use words like "no means."
Violently killed? Is killing by smothering violent or non violent? Whether violent, semi violent or even polite the end result is dead by killing.
I just PMSL with THAT one....I am sorry but if I was QC for the Defence - no way would I have EVER presented this scenario - the whole day for defence has just gone out the window. LOL HOW EMBARRASSING!
Thank-you JK673
Trying to understand the summation. I have added my thoughts to each point. Then tried to see it from somebody else's eyes. Looks a little loopy. IMO.
Byrne says is it possible she stayed up thinking about what had happened between her and Gerard. "The rawness had been opened up
Byrne is reading from Allison's journal. "I don't want to be alone". He says she's up late, thinking.
It's late, very late. After 01.00am in the morning. There a conferance early morning which Allison was preparing for. New hairdo all done and she's ready to roll. Only 5 hours to go, and no sleep yet due to the rawness, and the thinking. And more thinking.
"I dont want to be alone, so I will abandon my children, and walk out all alone into the dark night"
Byrne: Leaves the house, after first placing Gerard's phone on the charger.
"Must remember to put his phone on the charger before I go out all alone. Must be considerate enough so as not to wake him, as I reach across his body and plug it in."
Byrne: What if she decides to go for a walk to clear her head. What if she decides to take a Zoloft?
"Feel the need to clear head, pop a Zoloft from my packet of Zoloft that I carry in my pocket"
<modsnip> This is a critical time. And where is the empty Zoloft packet?
Byrne says what if she goes on her normal walk, decides to walk a bit further.
Normal walk! There never was a normal walk.
Allison was not a regular walker, or even a walker at all, as evidenced by two websleuthers who live right close by, even passing her house, and ARE regular walkers. These witnesses have NEVER seen Allison out walking. Allison's friends said the same thing. Allison's idea of exercise was with a bar of chocolate in one hand, and the walking machine in the other ...
BTW Aside from self: People who are walkers recognize people and things that car drivers do not.
Byrne says maybe the Zoloft is absorbed, maybe we have Seratonin syndrome.
<modsnip> Seratonin Syndrone has been explained by Doc Watson, a professional person with expertise in medical and surgical matters. Zoloft doesn't work like that, full stop.
Byrne says maybe, somehow, she ends up in the river. Could have rendered her unconscious, maybe she drowned in the river.
Somehow, good word, especially in fairy stories. Drowning was ruled out on autopsy. Allison did not drown.
Ended up in the river? Left home after 01.30am and walked a 6 to 8 hour walk. G reckons he woke at 06.00am. Excluding the fact that G is a proven liar, the simple maths don't add up.
Byrne says that's just one scenario. The jury may reject it.
One scenario. The only scenario? The jury may reject it. The jury are trying hard to see something resembling sense and sensibility..
Byrne says they should reject that Gerard, for no apparent reason, with no apparent means, violently killed his wife.
No apparent reason ..... quietly omitting Gerard's severe financial crisis. (I note he doesn't say that G couldn't run a chook raffle successfully. And has always relied on using other people's money. Allison's included)
No apparent means: Doesn't use words like "no means."
Violently killed? Is killing by smothering violent or non violent? Whether violent, semi violent or even polite the end result is dead by killing.
I just PMSL with THAT one....I am sorry but if I was QC for the Defence - no way would I have EVER presented this scenario - the whole day for defence has just gone out the window. LOL HOW EMBARRASSING!