The dead squirrel

[Tulessa]

Nope. That never happened.

You are my new Hero.:woohoo:

 

[RR0004]

Thanks.

As I look across the blogs it is amazing to see postings that walk a fine line of saying that they have not made up their mind on KC or that maybe she is guilty of something. They operate from a neutral focus of seeking the truth and offer some pertinent snippets to the threads while continually injecting and seeding mis-information. They are molding the truth based on an agenda.

A discussion ensues and typically the post is corrected factually with links but the desired impact has occurred, that some participants who did not read on or just dropped in are tainted by this seeded mis-information and mis-statement of facts.

Folks work very diligently and hard on this month-by-month strategy to seed mis-information and re-write history to refocus the general consensus to a softer view on KC and general confusion over the facts ---- levelling the playing field.

It is a strong undercurrent and these sources know better yet still seed this mis-information incessantly. I am sure though at WS I am preaching to the choir though. Just an observation

...and the choir in true WS fashion has been nothing but cordial.
I kinda like the "just say no" policy.

 

[Intermezzo]

Waitttttttttt a minute here. I thought he was allowed to inspect he car....

He was and he did
If he was not allowed to return as notthatsmart has stated then I wish to see proof of that, a link please.

 

[Tulessa]

...and the choir in true WS fashion has been nothing but cordial.
I kinda like the "just say no" policy.

Well, I like what we are trying to accomplish here and that's why I left the thread when I did. We are seeking justice for a tiny baby that was UNABLE to protect herself from her murderer. I have been a member of the TAPS forum since 2006 and have 25,000+ post. NOT because I like to yak but because the paranormal fascinates me. I joined WS last year because of MM's post and JWG. I was lurking here in June 2008. But reading those two bringing everything together made me want to be a family member. Everyone on this board has amazed me with the time and effort they put in to finding justice for this tiny Angel. You guys make me cry almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, because I can see the love you feel for Caylee in your posts.

 

[Tulessa]

C'mon - just another one of her stories! Err - mis-truths.

:crazy: I see you there with that thang doing that thang!! :crazy:

 

[Harmony 2]

Or there really was parts of a dead animal underneath on the frame. I really wish LE would have let Dr Henry Lee back in there to inspect the frame. But they chose not to and now we have to deal with that.

Or, it was just a figure of speech. The real smell was the garbage. IMO

BBM
With the trash bag gone and out of the trunk, the offending odor designated as decomp by many was still there. Even 6 months later when the entomologist was there the odor was still present. He referred to it as "strong decompositional odor" too.

page 7/10459- entomology report

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21539770.pdf

 

[notthatsmart]

notthatsmart, here's what really happened, and it's not just IMO, it's sworn testimony, which I researched carefully, because the FACTS and the TRUTH of everything related to what happened to Caylee are very important to me, and because my integrity as a poster in this forum, and as a person, are important to me:

Henry Lee arrived at the OCSO forensics bay on November 14 at 10:18am. He was accompanied by Jose Baez and and an assistant from his office.

The office of Gerardo Bloise, the OCSO CSI tech, had made prior arrangements to place the vehicle on a lift if Henry Lee & his entourage so desired so that they could inspect the undercarriage.

At 12:48pm, Henry Lee, Jose Baez, and his assistant left the forensics bay for lunch for more than an hour, not returning until 2:15pm.

Henry Lee then continued his inspection.

At 4:10pm, Henry Lee ended the inspection because he wanted to catch a flight.

At no time did Henry Lee ask that the car be placed on the lift, despite his, and Jose Baez', knowledge that Bloise, who was there to assist Henry Lee, had all the arrangements made to do so.

Here's what Henry Lee subsequently said about his experience of inspecting the car:

"I also want to take this opportunity to thank the Orange sheriff department, the crime scene investigator and detective. They`re true professionals. So the whole examination took a whole day and very professional manner.."

Where are you getting this information? Nancy Grace? Oh okay I see, Nov 14th, I need to be looking in docs after that. I am sure I will find the doc where JB brought it up to the Judge that HL was not allowed back in there and LDB made her argument. IMO

 

[The World According]

One of out posters wisely pointed out that CASEY TELLS ON HERSELF!!!!
One of the things TL talked about in his depo,or one of his LE interviews, I believe the taping was cut off right after, is the conversation he had with Casey on June 15th or 16th. She tries to convince him that she had told him about the dead squirrels in her car causing the smell. TL told her that she didn't tell him that and Casey got mad that he was questioning her on her "story". Does anyone recall exactly which document or recording this is in? I think it will help some of the posters to see the proof.

 

[notthatsmart]

One of out posters wisely pointed out that CASEY TELLS ON HERSELF!!!!
One of the things TL talked about in his depo, I believe the taping was cut off right after, is the conversation he had with Casey on June 15th or 16th. She tries to convince him that she had told him about the dead squirrels in her car causing the smell. TL told her that she didn't tell him that and Casey got mad that he was questioning her on her "story".View attachment 6690

He was referring to July 16th imo

 

[Soju]

Or there really was parts of a dead animal underneath on the frame. I really wish LE would have let Dr Henry Lee back in there to inspect the frame. But they chose not to and now we have to deal with that.

Or, it was just a figure of speech. The real smell was the garbage. IMO

BBM


figure of speech 

–noun Rhetoric. any expressive use of language, as a metaphor, simile, personification, or antithesis, in which words are used in other than their literal sense, or in other than their ordinary locutions, in order to suggest a picture or image or for other special effect. Compare trope (def. 1).


lie
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

I've never heard someone say "dead squirrel" as a figure of speech meaning garbage. As in "Mondays are dead squirrel day in my neighborhood. Every Sunday night I put my dead squirrel at the road for pick up."

I have, however, heard Casey lie. Repeatedly.

 

[Jolynna]

Here is one link to the September 2008 documents released that mention Casey's statements about squirrels and the odor in her vehicle:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427045,00.html

The above link is old but this is when that information came out.

Here is one of a few links about Henry Lee inspecting Casey's car:
http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/CaseyAnthony/KeyPlayers/ExpertsAndConsultants.aspx

On that link just scroll down to the name Henry Lee.

On this link (direct transcript from the Nancy Grace show in which Grace speaks to Dr. Lee...he talks about all that he has examined in relation to the car) I snipped a portion of it as it refers to the car/odor and will also provide the link:

GRACE: Well, Dr. Henry Lee -- everyone, with us, he is on the Anthony defense team -- I know that you have the highest regard for the Oak Ridge Laboratories in Tennessee. I trained there myself for a period of time. According to them, and their -- their specialty unit, the "body farm," there was evidence of human decomposition. Would that be consistent with the smell that you smelled, Dr. Henry Lee?

LEE: Here, that`s -- you know, I`m a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don`t forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don`t know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

I don't know the date of Dr. Lee's examination of the car itself but he arrived at the CSI place with Baez to inspect it. I don't know if or when he inspected the contents of the garbage bag found in KC's trunk.

Dr. Lee was misleading. There was no ham. There was no meat of any kind. The cheese packets were empty. There was no rotting food.

Here is a link to the trash bag inventory, pictures of the trash and e-mails between OCSO and Arpad Vass: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4572775&postcount=149"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MythBuster Thread Discussion Area[/ame]

 

[BondJamesBond]

FWIW re: "The dead squirrel"

Released docs pg 6554

Results of the analysis of the Pontiac control carpet exposed to the "apparent hit-and-run victim" adult squirrel, "...showed very little similarity to the Florida (Casey's) carpet sample. No sulphur compounds, chloroform or carbon tetrachloride were detected in the sample."

As far as the trash bag being the potential source of the odor...same page

"The composite air sampling of the trash bag contents...showed that compounds were present which represented primarily ubiquitous hydrocarbons, many of which are also found in gasoline..."

So...no sulphur compounds in the air sample of the trash bag either.

However, among the compounds measured in Casey's trunk:

Released docs pg 6555-6556

Carbon disulfide, dimethyl disulfide & trisulfide, carbon tetrachloride and chloroform...all established byproducts of human decomposition.

 

[TorisMom003]

Holy cow, what motion is that? Clearly Dr Henry Lee inspected the items in frrom the trash bag. Clearly the Defense has commented for months about discovery documents. Clearly the Defense was not allowed to be present at the dump site. HL did return and they wouldn't let him in.IMO

The latest motion that was heard also concerned the fact that the defense has not had any of their experts examine anything other than the one time that Dr Lee examined the car, saying he would return to finish and never did. The date of this motions hearing was Dec. 11.

Dr Lee did examine the contents of the bag of trash however he lied about what was in the bag as there was NO meat, cheese, etc that was rotten.

The defense comments for months about discovery documents but refuses to obtain them themselves which is what they were told to do. The defense is also waiting until the last minute to hand over their own documents to the SAs even though there is a court order for them to do so.

The defense would NOT be allowed in to examine the area that the remains were found when they wanted to be let in seeing how the body had NOT YET BEEN IDENTIFIED as Caylee. The defense knew that it was inappropriate to ask (more like demand) at that point in time however I say that did so to throw the public into a fit about "injustice".

In order for you to make solid claims about things as you are will you please post the appropriate links to back up your claims? If you find that you were wrong or mistaken then please state so instead of repeating the false statements again. Thank you!

 

[AZlawyer]

FWIW re: "The dead squirrel"

Released docs pg 6554

Results of the analysis of the Pontiac control carpet exposed to the "apparent hit-and-run victim" adult squirrel, "...showed very little similarity to the Florida (Casey's) carpet sample. No sulphur compounds, chloroform or carbon tetrachloride were detected in the sample."

As far as the trash bag being the potential source of the odor...same page

"The composite air sampling of the trash bag contents...showed that compounds were present which represented primarily ubiquitous hydrocarbons, many of which are also found in gasoline..."

So...no sulphur compounds in the air sample of the trash bag either.

However, among the compounds measured in Casey's trunk:

Released docs pg 6555-6556

Carbon disulfide, dimethyl disulfide & trisulfide, carbon tetrachloride and chloroform...all established byproducts of human decomposition.

Just to add to this...

We have a report on the chemicals found in the air that "off-gassed" from a sample of the carpet from the trunk of the car, after the carpet sample was kept in a sealed container for a period of time. SIX of the chemicals found in the carpet sample air met ALL of the following conditions: (1) they are associated with human decomposition, (2) they were also found in a sample from a blanket that had held a decomposing 3-year old child kept in the trunk of a car in a Montana case, (3) they were not found in a carpet sample from another car of the same make and model (control), (4) they were not found in a sample of the air from the white trash bag, which means they could not be accounted for by any of the items in the trash bag, (5) they were not found in a sample of the air from the passenger area of the car (just the trunk), (6) they were not found in the air of the laboratory that was performing the tests (control), (7) they were not found in the air of the OSCO forensics garage (control), (8) they were not found in gasoline, which accounted for many of the other chemicals found in the carpet sample, (9) they were not found in decomposing pizza.

In addition, carbon tetrachloride, which is found in human decomposition but not in animals that have been tested, was found in the trunk carpet. A trace of carbon tetrachloride was also found in the air from the trash bag, but of course the paper towels with potential decomp residue were also in the trash bag. No trace of carbon tetrachloride was found in the sample of carpet from the similar car, in the passenger area of the car, in the laboratory air, in the decomposing pizza tested by the lab, in gasoline vapors tested by the lab, or in the OSCO forensics garage. Moreover, no carbon tetrachloride was found in the air "off-gassed" from a carpet sample on which the squirrel was allowed to decompose.

Chemicals that would have been expected if an animal (rather than a human) had decomposed in the trunk were not found in the carpet sample.

Butyric acid was found in scrapings from the carpet. This acid is a product of human decomposition. It is also found, for example, in rancid butter, but there is no other indication of the presence of butter in the trunk.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6551.6591.pdf

 

[Dear Prudence]

Holy cow, what motion is that? Clearly Dr Henry Lee inspected the items in frrom the trash bag. Clearly the Defense has commented for months about discovery documents. Clearly the Defense was not allowed to be present at the dump site. HL did return and they wouldn't let him in.IMO

Here's the motion:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21913703/detail.html

It was just filed last week. I'm surprised you missed it. Please see Item #9 for the answer to your question. Henry Lee did inspect the car and the contents of the trash bag on Nov. 14th, 2008. Before that date and since that date no other evidence has been examined.

So, that says to me the defense knows the physical evidence will not help their case at all. It won't point to a squirrel or pizza or anything other than Caylee having been in the trunk. They're skipping all the forensics and going right for SODDI - Kronk, George, Jesse, Cindy, Ricardo, maybe even Joy. Ooops, I almost forgot the main suspect, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Where are you getting this information? Nancy Grace? Oh okay I see, Nov 14th, I need to be looking in docs after that. I am sure I will find the doc where JB brought it up to the Judge that HL was not allowed back in there and LDB made her argument. IMO

Thank you, I would love to see that document..
Oh, you may want to look through the motions of December 12, 2008, this could be the motion you are referring to..mind you, this was the morning after the remains were found, Baez was denied access at that point because it was a crime scene...

After this time, I haven't found anything supporting a claim that Dr. Lee was not allowed back in to inspect evidence. I have only seen documented as of a couple of weeks ago that Dr. Lee has not came back to inspect anything..matter of fact, from the way the state's motion reads, not one member of the defense team has physically inspected anything...

 

[cyberborg]

I believe this will be one of the key pieces of circumstantial evidence for the prosecution. It shows that the accused recognized that there was a smell of decay in the car that needed to be explained away.

[snip]

Since the prosecution can show that there were no remains of any animal plastered to the frame of her car, what can the defense say to counter? I think this tidbit is especially damning.

So true, so true ..... based on the recent posts ....... there are so many nails in KC's coffin of lies that the coffin is made of nails ..... there is no space for wood!

 

[mitzi]

Thanks.

As I look across the blogs it is amazing to see postings that walk a fine line of saying that they have not made up their mind on KC or that maybe she is guilty of something. They operate from a neutral focus of seeking the truth and offer some pertinent snippets to the threads while continually injecting and seeding mis-information. They are molding the truth based on an agenda.

A discussion ensues and typically the post is corrected factually with links but the desired impact has occurred, that some participants who did not read on or just dropped in are tainted by this seeded mis-information and mis-statement of facts.

Folks work very diligently and hard on this month-by-month strategy to seed mis-information and re-write history to refocus the general consensus to a softer view on KC and general confusion over the facts ---- levelling the playing field.

It is a strong undercurrent and these sources know better yet still seed this mis-information incessantly. I am sure though at WS I am preaching to the choir though. Just an observation

ITA...I would bet that we have at least 2 members of Jose's team of "law students" doing exactly what you have stated. I think most of us can see that, and I think that hitting that alert button and ignoring such drivel would be the best thing to do. It just gets my blood pressure boiling. One problem I see is that the same statements are being made over and over again, even after links are posting showing they are invalid. Kinda done to get us off the topic and stuck in a rut of explanations. I think we have lost some great members because of this...myself...I think I'll just use that "ignore" button. :dance:

 

[christee]

I believe this will be one of the key pieces of circumstantial evidence for the prosecution. It shows that the accused recognized that there was a smell of decay in the car that needed to be explained away. It refutes GA's comment that "the person in the trunk of my granddaughter's (sic) car was NOT MY GRANDDAUGHTER!" If there were a dead body in KC's car and she found it, I can only assume she'd freak out and call police. If the SOD body was gone and only the stench remained, I assume she'd react the same way. Her reaction can only mean one thing - the smell could now be smelled outside of the car and she needed a plausible excuse for Amy since she needed Amy get gas cans and gas for her and drive her to her car. Since the prosecution can show that there were no remains of any animal plastered to the frame of her car, what can the defense say to counter? I think this tidbit is especially damning.

I'm not sure if it would qualify as a Freudian slip but I find GA's reference to his "grandaughter's car" (we know he meant KC's car) to be very interesting-psychologically speaking. :doh:

 

[Amil]

ITA...I would bet that we have at lease 2 members of Jose's team of "law students" doing exactly what you have stated. I think most of us can see that, and I think that hitting that alert button and ignoring such drivel would be the best thing to do. It just gets my blood pressure boiling. One problem I see is that the same statements are being made over and over again, even after links are posting showing they are invalid. Kinda done to get us off the topic and stuck in a rut of explanations. I think we have lost some great members because of this...myself...I think I'll just use that "ignore" button. :dance:

It seems there is less of that going on while C & G are in NYC. Is that just me or do you notice that too?