The Duct Tape Match #2

[Rumpole]

Right. I forgot that part.

I suppose we should be grateful it wasn't some other marine mammal.

Duck tape, seal(ed) bags. What next?

 

[Devon]

LP didn't say. LP never says. LP gives his little Cheshire Cat smile, and makes sure we all understand that he knows something we don't know.

Nobody ever confronts anybody on the constant stream of misstatements, misunderstandings, distortions, fabrications, and outright lies which we are constantly subjected to by so-called "investigative journalists".

I can give you a link right now to the WFTV article which still assures us that a knife was found with Caylee's remains.

Just to make certain we're all clear on this... THERE WAS NOT A KNIFE FOUND WITH CAYLEE'S REMAINS.

...and KC's car was NOT "SATURATED" with chloroform.

...and...

Sorry. I'll stop yelling now.

I feel your pain! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[fortytwo]

Duck tape, seal(ed) bags. What next?

Bear-faced lies.

 

[Rumpole]

Bear-faced lies.

Lots of Kittens and Cat(egories)

KC Lion to LE?

 

[pugsnanny]

an someone tell me who is working in the Anthony family . How are the making iy. Where do they work. It looks like they are always home. Do they have the kind of job that Casey had?
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[JWG]

We may have 5 pieces of duct tape found at the crime scene.

1- Found on the skull and removed by ME.
4 others- found in various places by various CSI in the vicinity of the remains.

From document...

I had a nightmare about duct tape, and I needed to comb through this more to put my mind more or less at ease. :nerves:

There are three pieces of duct tape that went to the FBI directly from the medical examiner and therefore do not have OCSO tag and item numbers associated with them. These are FBI numbered Q62, Q63, and Q64. Note that these items were received by the FBI on Dec. 13, 2008 (page 3781). One of these pieces came from the mouth area of the skull. It is possible all three pieces were on the skull, or that the other two were in the bag found with the skull. Page 3793 describes them as being recovered from the skeletal remains. All three pieces of tape are said to have the "Henkel" stamp showing through on the backing.

A fourth piece of duct tape with the same "Henkel" stamp was found on Dec. 12th. This is labelled as FBI number Q100 and was submitted to their lab on January 9th (page 3744). We have not seen any results of forensic tests on this tape. It was found very close to where the skull and bag were recovered.

One long piece of duct tape and two shorter pieces were found on Dec 19 (p 3543 and 3650). These pieces were recovered more towards the wooden fence and were not very close to the remains or other items of interest. None of the materials mention whether or not the "Henkels" stamp appears on the backing, and none of the material released thus far indicates that the pieces were sent to the FBI.

It is interesting to note that when the Anthony home was searched that in the garage not only was a gas can found with duct tape (item #65), but so two were a couple of metal brackets (item #63). No mention is made of the metal brackets' tape being Henkel's tape, and there is no documentation saying they were sent to the FBI.

This actually could bode well for LE. :cop: If there were unrelated pieces of tape found at the crime scene away from the remains without the Henkel's logo, then the argument that everyone has a roll of Henkel's tape starts to get a little thin. Add to that two different duct tapes in the Anthony home, and it gets a bit thinner. Pile on to that the fact KC was in possession of the gas can, and things get even more suspicious. :detective:

At the end of the day it will depend on how good a story the prosecution can weave, and on how good their witnesses are at telling it. :talker:

 

[trixi491]

Were all of these pieces of duct tape tested for fingerprints and found none or was it just the piece over her mouth?

 

[JWG]

Were all of these pieces of duct tape tested for fingerprints and found none or was it just the piece over her mouth?

We have seen results only for the first three pieces. Results for the fourth have not come back. AFAIK, pieces 5 - 7 are not being tested.

Facing reality, given those pieces spent months in the muck of a swamp, I am expecting very little of value to come from them.

 

[fortytwo]

I had a nightmare about duct tape, and I needed to comb through this more to put my mind more or less at ease. :nerves:

There are three pieces of duct tape that went to the FBI directly from the medical examiner and therefore do not have OCSO tag and item numbers associated with them. These are FBI numbered Q62, Q63, and Q64. Note that these items were received by the FBI on Dec. 13, 2008 (page 3781). One of these pieces came from the mouth area of the skull. It is possible all three pieces were on the skull, or that the other two were in the bag found with the skull. Page 3793 describes them as being recovered from the skeletal remains. All three pieces of tape are said to have the "Henkel" stamp showing through on the backing.

A fourth piece of duct tape with the same "Henkel" stamp was found on Dec. 12th. This is labelled as FBI number Q100 and was submitted to their lab on January 9th (page 3744). We have not seen any results of forensic tests on this tape. It was found very close to where the skull and bag were recovered.

One long piece of duct tape and two shorter pieces were found on Dec 19 (p 3543 and 3650). These pieces were recovered more towards the wooden fence and were not very close to the remains or other items of interest. None of the materials mention whether or not the "Henkels" stamp appears on the backing, and none of the material released thus far indicates that the pieces were sent to the FBI.

It is interesting to note that when the Anthony home was searched that in the garage not only was a gas can found with duct tape (item #65), but so two were a couple of metal brackets (item #63). No mention is made of the metal brackets' tape being Henkel's tape, and there is no documentation saying they were sent to the FBI.

This actually could bode well for LE. :cop: If there were unrelated pieces of tape found at the crime scene away from the remains without the Henkel's logo, then the argument that everyone has a roll of Henkel's tape starts to get a little thin. Add to that two different duct tapes in the Anthony home, and it gets a bit thinner. Pile on to that the fact KC was in possession of the gas can, and things get even more suspicious. :detective:

At the end of the day it will depend on how good a story the prosecution can weave, and on how good their witnesses are at telling it. :talker:

Excellent summation. That's pretty much what I came up with.

A couple more points I've been kind of keeping in the back of my mind.

The three pieces that came from the M.E.'s office are more properly the three pieces that we know about. The way things have begun to seem in terms of discovery release there could have been a whole roll of duct tape from the M.E. that we just don't know about yet. (Okay, mostly kidding.)

Those three pieces and the one from the gas can we know were forwarded to a lab for trace evidence analysis. Haven't seen those results yet. Room for hope?

The fourth piece of Henkel tape, the one found by the remains, intrigues me perhaps the most. The tantalizing and later disappointing reports that fingerprints had been found on duct tape came from LP (low reliability)and from a blogger (higher reliability?) whom I understand was once a fellow WSer with a good rep for dependability and alleged a contact inside the Orange County Clerk's office, and perhaps others.

As you mentioned, we have not seen any results concerning that piece of tape. I refuse to let the last glimmer of hope on the fingerprint front expire until we do.

 

[Rumpole]

I had a nightmare about duct tape, and I needed to comb through this more to put my mind more or less at ease. :nerves:

There are three pieces of duct tape that went to the FBI directly from the medical examiner and therefore do not have OCSO tag and item numbers associated with them. These are FBI numbered Q62, Q63, and Q64. Note that these items were received by the FBI on Dec. 13, 2008 (page 3781). One of these pieces came from the mouth area of the skull. It is possible all three pieces were on the skull, or that the other two were in the bag found with the skull. Page 3793 describes them as being recovered from the skeletal remains. All three pieces of tape are said to have the "Henkel" stamp showing through on the backing.

A fourth piece of duct tape with the same "Henkel" stamp was found on Dec. 12th. This is labelled as FBI number Q100 and was submitted to their lab on January 9th (page 3744). We have not seen any results of forensic tests on this tape. It was found very close to where the skull and bag were recovered.

One long piece of duct tape and two shorter pieces were found on Dec 19 (p 3543 and 3650). These pieces were recovered more towards the wooden fence and were not very close to the remains or other items of interest. None of the materials mention whether or not the "Henkels" stamp appears on the backing, and none of the material released thus far indicates that the pieces were sent to the FBI.

It is interesting to note that when the Anthony home was searched that in the garage not only was a gas can found with duct tape (item #65), but so two were a couple of metal brackets (item #63). No mention is made of the metal brackets' tape being Henkel's tape, and there is no documentation saying they were sent to the FBI.

This actually could bode well for LE. :cop: If there were unrelated pieces of tape found at the crime scene away from the remains without the Henkel's logo, then the argument that everyone has a roll of Henkel's tape starts to get a little thin. Add to that two different duct tapes in the Anthony home, and it gets a bit thinner. Pile on to that the fact KC was in possession of the gas can, and things get even more suspicious. :detective:

At the end of the day it will depend on how good a story the prosecution can weave, and on how good their witnesses are at telling it. :talker:

Bolded in red by me.
I remind everyone that the "Straw poll" here at WS has still only turned up ONE report of a roll of duct tape with the "Henkel" logo. (We have suggested that person lawyer up). Of course still interested in reports of duct tape in the Orlando area, but as things stand, the "Henkel" Logo type is rare. Found so far just at Anthony home, with/near the remains, and one other roll, amongst all others reported in homes or on shop shelves.

 

[ecs5298]

Bolded in red by me.
I remind everyone that the "Straw poll" here at WS has still only turned up ONE report of a roll of duct tape with the "Henkel" logo. (We have suggested that person lawyer up). Of course still interested in reports of duct tape in the Orlando area, but as things stand, the "Henkel" Logo type is rare. Found so far just at Anthony home, with/near the remains, and one other roll, amongst all others reported in homes or on shop shelves.

Did anyone check Zanny's garage?

Oh...that's right....she doesn't exist....hmmmmm.


**sorry, I couldn't resist**

 

[fortytwo]

Did anyone check Zanny's garage?

Oh...that's right....she doesn't exist....hmmmmm.


**sorry, I couldn't resist**

What about the tape that one of KC's 'friends' wanted back?

Has it ever surfaced?

Was she asked about the Henkel logo"

 

[magpie]

Bolded in red by me.
I remind everyone that the "Straw poll" here at WS has still only turned up ONE report of a roll of duct tape with the "Henkel" logo. (We have suggested that person lawyer up). Of course still interested in reports of duct tape in the Orlando area, but as things stand, the "Henkel" Logo type is rare. Found so far just at Anthony home, with/near the remains, and one other roll, amongst all others reported in homes or on shop shelves.

Did I miss a duct tape poll? I love polls.

I have NEVER seen a roll of duct tape with the name Henkel (or any other name) imprinted on the tape.

I live in Texas and am almost 53 yrs old, seen lots of duct tape in my time.

That duct tape must be quite unique.

 

[Rumpole]

Did I miss a duct tape poll? I love polls.

I have NEVER seen a roll of duct tape with the name Henkel (or any other name) imprinted on the tape.

I live in Texas and am almost 53 yrs old, seen lots of duct tape in my time.

That duct tape must be quite unique.

You missed the poll, because it was cleverly disguised to look like a harmless thread with no poll!

But,
Your message answers the question, so YOU ARE part of the poll!
Yes this tape appears to be quite rare.
Outside the case just one roll reported, and we have had WS reports from individuals and what is available in shops, so must cover thousands of rolls.

 

[magpie]

You missed the poll, because it was cleverly disguised to look like a harmless thread with no poll!

But,
Your message answers the quetion, so YOU ARE part of the poll!
Yes this tape appears to be quite rare.
Outside the case just one roll reported, and we have had WS reports from individulas and what is available in shops, so must cover thousands of rolls.

Thank you for your answer! Do we know what state the one roll of unique duct tape came from? I only ask instead of reading back because I have been in hospital for 8 days so am a bit behind in reading. Thank you in advance!

 

[Rumpole]

Thank you for your answer! Do we know what state the one roll of unique duct tape came from? I only ask instead of reading back because I have been in hospital for 8 days so am a bit behind in reading. Thank you in advance!

It was from Orlando - same neighbourhood as Anthonys.
It is discussed back in the thread.

 

[kaRN]

Maybe she will say that Zanny and her have the same fingerprints! Seriously, did anyone think this tape WOULDN'T match the one found on the gas cans?

I am begging, let me give her the needle.

Could you use an epidural needle instead of the normal kind and twist it around....alot? Please?

 

[FX Wiz]

It was from Orlando - same neighbourhood as Anthonys.
It is discussed back in the thread.

I thought it was FairnBalanced who owned a logoed roll but I can't find where he/she said how close they live to the A's house. IIRC it was like a half hour away, but I live 20 min. away so I guess I live in their neighborhood too, LOL, o gawd.
BTW, I'm still keeping an eye out for that elusive logo whenever I'm out shopping!

 

[sua_sponte]

My understanding is that "latent" (literally invisible) when used in fingerprint forensics, usually refers to prints not visible to the naked eye, as opposed to prints made by dirty fingers (ink, grease, flour etc) or prints that are actually a visible impression like in wax or blood or grease etc on the object being touched.

My reading of the documents leaves the door open for further tests on the duct tape, including fingerprint work, that has not been described or reported on (to us) yet.

I agree with everything you said, but I'm not hopeful we'll get anything. Just look at the condition of the tape that was found. There was barely any sliver material left on it. If the tape material itself didn't even survive the elements, I don't see how any fingerprints could. I'm hoping I'm wrong though.

 

[Rumpole]

I agree with everything you said, but I'm not hopeful we'll get anything. Just look at the condition of the tape that was found. There was barely any sliver material left on it. If the tape material itself didn't even survive the elements, I don't see how any fingerprints could. I'm hoping I'm wrong though.

Yes, I am really just hoping.

Our best hope is prints that were on adhesive side and so protected by what tape was stuck to. Often a tape overlap area provides best evidence. Not mentioned in this case, but you never know, there "might" have been a bit of tape folded on itself?