The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

[meltruth]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/...Long Island Murders -NY-/NAMUS-MaureenBB.jpg

Here is a screen shot of Maureen missing persons in the Namus database, I have found. If you notice the date the CT police entered it in the system was Dec 2009. So there for there was definitely a delayed on the police part on Maureen missing persons case.

Here's the thing that bugs me about the laptop story...Maureen's sister told a reporter that her sister only worked out of her hotel room. She also says that Maureen would call friends and have them refresh her ads for her. Why would she do that if she had her laptop with her?

(Info found in the 2 previous articles I linked.)

Also...I've never seen any mention of anything else being retrieved from Maureen's hotel room, have you? Where were her clothes, her makeup, etc.? We hear about all that stuff being found in Megan's room (Megan didn't check out of her room)...but nothing about Maureen's belongings, and surely LE would have been very interested in that.

And lastly, we have this:

<snipped by me>
Cann says the police have failed to take her sister’s case seriously, beginning with the first officer she spoke to. “Soon as I told him what she was doing up in Manhattan, it was like he didn’t care.” She speaks of the fruitless trips her husband and brother took to New York to try to find Maureen themselves, the two and a half years it took even to get Maureen’s name onto the national registry of missing persons. She tells me she got her sister’s e-mails, texts, and phone records herself.
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/index2.html

Why would a family member have to do this if the cops had already flew in there days after she was reported missing and retrieved her laptop?

 

[Redbird]

So are you saying the news stories about LE retrieving her laptop are untrue? As to why she would call friends to refresh her ads, maybe she didn't take her computer with her everywhere she went, but did take her phone. And if she did accept car dates, she might not have told her sister, since her sister would disapprove and worry about her more. I really don't understand where you are going with this.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yet we still do not hear any mention of police sorting through data on any personal computers or laptops owned by the victims. This further supports my theory that each of the four victims either worked with someone they knew who had a computer or they worked directly with the employees of the websites where they advertised in order to have their ads posted to their websites.

SOMEONE had to assist them with snapping photos and uploading them to the internet. Then there is the wording of the advertisements and the constant updating of dates/locations where they will be available.

I am very curious to know if the victims re-posted their ads repeatably throughought the day or if they were more like once a day advertisers. The sites where you can advertise for free always display the ads in the order in which they were posted. If you look at ads for any category from lawnmowers to escorts you'll see that there are people who are constantly re-posted their ads (sometimes a dozen or more times throughout the day) to help give their ads a competitive advantage by being at the top of the list more often. If we learn that our victims did not re-post their ads over and over again throughout the same day, this could further support my theory that they did not have easy access to the internet (except possibly ALC since she worked out of an actual house with roommates who probably one of them did have a computer).

Doing some back reading and lit on this post of yours, Seaslug. I'm starting to be on the same page as you with respect to the laptop. Maureen wouldn't have needed to call friends to refresh her ads if she only worked out of her hotel room and had a laptop with her.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So are you saying the news stories about LE retrieving her laptop are untrue? As to why she would call friends to refresh her ads, maybe she didn't take her computer with her everywhere she went, but did take her phone. And if she did accept car dates, she might not have told her sister, since her sister would disapprove and worry about her more. I really don't understand where you are going with this.

Alot of what has been reported isn't true or accurate, Redbird, you know that. I'm just trying to look at things with a more critical eye than I have in the past, that's all. I've stated things as fact several times because a few articles said it, only to learn later that it wasn't accurate at all. I'm trying not to repeat those same mistakes on the second go round.

ETA: Another thing that makes me doubt the cops swooping in immediately and retrieving her laptop from the hotel room...if they did that Johnny on the spot, how come we don't have surveillance tapes from NYPA Bus Terminal? We have Megan Waterman on tape leaving the Holiday Inn Express, don't we? Where is the video tape of Maureen? Surely the cops would have gotten that too...so where is it? Or where at least is the mention that they retrieved the tape,looked at it, and found nothing?

 

[NJGuy]

So, Maureen was insistent she wouldn't leave Manhattan and wouldn't do outcalls...somehow she was convinced to do that. Unless the SK went to her hotel room and then took Maureen away. But the biggest thing I noted is that her cell pinged in 2008, near Gilgo. 2008 is the gap in victims, but her phone pinged in 2008 near the beach. And why would someone check her vmail a year after she went missing? Becoming apparent there is a lot more to learn about this.

Great find MK, helps tremendously

 

[meltruth]

From reading and understanding Maureen's sister interviews in news articles. Maureen's sister has looked through all her emails many, many times in the years that Maureen was missing. My opinion is that Maureen's sister would have known if Maureen only did in calls from the hotel other than out calls.

So are you saying the news stories about LE retrieving her laptop are untrue? As to why she would call friends to refresh her ads, maybe she didn't take her computer with her everywhere she went, but did take her phone. And if she did accept car dates, she might not have told her sister, since her sister would disapprove and worry about her more. I really don't understand where you are going with this.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So, Maureen was insistent she wouldn't leave Manhattan and wouldn't do outcalls...somehow she was convinced to do that. Unless the SK went to her hotel room and then took Maureen away. But the biggest thing I noted is that her cell pinged in 2008, near Gilgo. 2008 is the gap in victims, but her phone pinged in 2008 near the beach. And why would someone check her vmail a year after she went missing? Becoming apparent there is a lot more to learn about this.

Great find MK, helps tremendously

OR, she didn't take a job at all but instead found someone who said they would give her a ride back to Connecticut?

I don't believe Maureen still had the hotel room. If she was calling friends from the bus terminal to give her a ride home, it seems logical to me that she had already checked out of the hotel room, don't you think? She called for a ride home and she was at the Bus Terminal...that indicates to me that she had finished up her business and was leaving. JMO

 

[meltruth]

Yes, i do agree.

OR, she didn't take a job at all but instead found someone who said they would give her a ride back to Connecticut?

I don't believe Maureen still had the hotel room. If she was calling friends from the bus terminal to give her a ride home, it seems logical to me that she had already checked out of the hotel room, don't you think? She called for a ride home and she was at the Bus Terminal...that indicates to me that she had finished up her business and was leaving. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes, i do agree.

I don't think Maureen would have accepted a ride from a stranger, though. She doesn't seem the type. But then, if she had been robbed of all her money earlier...maybe she didn't have a choice. Or maybe she had friends in Manhattan and called them until someone could give her a ride? But then, that also seems unlikely...it was a Monday and that's a long drive from NY to CT and back again.

Maybe she was so desperate to get a bus ticket home that she felt she had to turn a quick trick. And that was the person who did this to her.

I don't know.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Before I pack it in for the night, I wanted to point this out from the same article:

The most thorough account of what happened next comes from Michael Pak, a driver Shannan had worked with before and was working with that night. Once Pak dropped off Shannan at Brewer&#8217;s house, he says, he waited in the SUV, playing poker on his cell phone, while Shannan and Brewer were together. Another source reportedly saw the two leave the house once, in Brewer&#8217;s car, for about fifteen minutes.
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

Another source?! Who? The only other person we've ever heard of being in that house is the oh so mysterious drifter. Surely, no neighbor was watching Brewer's house for 15 minutes at that time of the morning, were they?

 

[NJGuy]

OR, she didn't take a job at all but instead found someone who said they would give her a ride back to Connecticut?

I don't believe Maureen still had the hotel room. If she was calling friends from the bus terminal to give her a ride home, it seems logical to me that she had already checked out of the hotel room, don't you think? She called for a ride home and she was at the Bus Terminal...that indicates to me that she had finished up her business and was leaving. JMO

I agree....so what is the most plausible scenario? I hate to get into guessing games again, but let's try to figure the most likely situation.

If Maureen was at the bus station, that would leave 3 options:
1. She accepted a ride from a stranger thinking she was going to CT
2. She accepted a ride from someone she knew back to CT
3. She got one last offer for a date, from a phone call most likely, and met the client

Thoughts?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree....so what is the most plausible scenario? I hate to get into guessing games again, but let's try to figure the most likely situation.

If Maureen was at the bus station, that would leave 3 options:
1. She accepted a ride from a stranger thinking she was going to CT
2. She accepted a ride from someone she knew back to CT
3. She got one last offer for a date, from a phone call most likely, and met the client

Thoughts?

Since I still have 1/2 a cigarette left to finish, I'll play.

I think you've nailed the options. Now let me try to pick them apart and see what we get.

1). Ride from a stranger: I wouldn't think Maureen would be the type to accept a ride from a stranger, on the other hand, I didn't know Maureen. If she was flat broke, perhaps she had no choice but to either panhandle or try to get a ride with a stranger. I also don't know that she was flat broke, but I do suspect that she didn't have enough money for a bus ticket, or else, why would she be calling someone asking them to come get her? So, I think the idea that she might have accepted a ride from someone is plausible at least.

2. Ride from a friend: Not seeing it. It would take 3 or 4 hours (I'm guessing) to drive from NY to CT. And it would be a round trip for the friend (whether they were coming from NY or CT). So a 6+ hour drive on a Monday night. Just doesn't seem all that likely to me. It's possible, of course, but not likely, imo.

3. One last date to earn bus fare home: If she accepted a car date from a stranger at the bus terminal, that would seem to contradict what her sister has said about Maureen's habits. On the other hand, if she were completely desperate...maybe she broke with habit just this once thinking it would be okay. I don't know. If she accepted a date from a client she knew, I think that she would have had to have been the one to initiate the call, don't you? What are the odds she was stranded in the bus terminal with no money, and lo and behold, a regular rings her up out of the blue? Now, if she called someone, that would show on her phone records, wouldn't it? So was this maybe the cop LE questioned about her disappearance? I don't know.

ETA: It sure would be helpful if we could find out what time she called friends from the bus terminal. I've never seen that reported anywhere, have you?

 

[Seaslug44]

This is maybe a stupid idea, but what if those four really visited the same client? The point I still stumble upon is, that Maureen left that client. Okay, she didn't deposit that money, but she made phone calls about she was robbed after that. Which still puts her in some place away from that client.
But what - just such an idea - if the sk is not connected to the victims directly but to this client?

I love where you are going with this. It's actually a brilliant idea that fits in perfectly with all of the other twists in this case.

The question then would be whether or not the client has been aware all along or if he is even aware at all that the girls he hires are being targeted right after he meets with them.

 

[Seaslug44]

Doing some back reading and lit on this post of yours, Seaslug. I'm starting to be on the same page as you with respect to the laptop. Maureen wouldn't have needed to call friends to refresh her ads if she only worked out of her hotel room and had a laptop with her.

Exactly what I was thinking

 

[nugzter]

Since I still have 1/2 a cigarette left to finish, I'll play.

I think you've nailed the options. Now let me try to pick them apart and see what we get.

1). Ride from a stranger: I wouldn't think Maureen would be the type to accept a ride from a stranger, on the other hand, I didn't know Maureen. If she was flat broke, perhaps she had no choice but to either panhandle or try to get a ride with a stranger. I also don't know that she was flat broke, but I do suspect that she didn't have enough money for a bus ticket, or else, why would she be calling someone asking them to come get her? So, I think the idea that she might have accepted a ride from someone is plausible at least.

2. Ride from a friend: Not seeing it. It would take 3 or 4 hours (I'm guessing) to drive from NY to CT. And it would be a round trip for the friend (whether they were coming from NY or CT). So a 6+ hour drive on a Monday night. Just doesn't seem all that likely to me. It's possible, of course, but not likely, imo.

3. One last date to earn bus fare home: If she accepted a car date from a stranger at the bus terminal, that would seem to contradict what her sister has said about Maureen's habits. On the other hand, if she were completely desperate...maybe she broke with habit just this once thinking it would be okay. I don't know. If she accepted a date from a client she knew, I think that she would have had to have been the one to initiate the call, don't you? What are the odds she was stranded in the bus terminal with no money, and lo and behold, a regular rings her up out of the blue? Now, if she called someone, that would show on her phone records, wouldn't it? So was this maybe the cop LE questioned about her disappearance? I don't know.

ETA: It sure would be helpful if we could find out what time she called friends from the bus terminal. I've never seen that reported anywhere, have you?

I like this line of thinking alot. If we look at his MO here in Maureen's case, the others "should' be the same or close to it.
Could it be possible that the SK had contacted here earlier on in the day before she was robbed?
I am having a problem with one thing. If she was already at the station, called her friends, why didn't she ask someone for the money. I just look online at what it would cost today. In 2007 it would have been cheaper I would think. Now this is New Haven not Norwich, but the price diffrence should not be to drastic.
Itinerary 1

Approx Travel Time : 2 hours 4 minutes Map MAP
Walk 0.20 miles(4 minutes) South-East to 42ND ST-TIMES SQ SHUTTLE
Take the 42ND ST-GRAND CENTRAL bound Train departing at 8:54 AM8:54 AM
Get off at 42ND ST-GRAND CENTRAL SHUTTLE at 8:56 AM
Pay Per Ride Fare : $2.25 - Reduced Fare : $1.10

From GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL
Take the NEW HAVEN - UNION STATION bound Metro-North Train departing at 9:07 AM9:07 AM
Get off at NEW HAVEN - UNION STATION at 10:54 AM


Total Fare : $2.25 - Reduced Fare : $1.10

So we are looking at $4.50 total fare. She could have begged someone for that amount and got it. Why bother getting in a car and turning another trick. Only if the date was already made in advance, and the robbery just happened as sometimes thing do. I do not believe that the robbery was the reason she stayed. The meeting had to have been planned in advance. MOO only.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I like this line of thinking alot. If we look at his MO here in Maureen's case, the others "should' be the same or close to it.
Could it be possible that the SK had contacted here earlier on in the day before she was robbed?
I am having a problem with one thing. If she was already at the station, called her friends, why didn't she ask someone for the money. I just look online at what it would cost today. In 2007 it would have been cheaper I would think. Now this is New Haven not Norwich, but the price diffrence should not be to drastic.
Itinerary 1

Approx Travel Time : 2 hours 4 minutes Map MAP
Walk 0.20 miles(4 minutes) South-East to 42ND ST-TIMES SQ SHUTTLE
Take the 42ND ST-GRAND CENTRAL bound Train departing at 8:54 AM8:54 AM
Get off at 42ND ST-GRAND CENTRAL SHUTTLE at 8:56 AM
Pay Per Ride Fare : $2.25 - Reduced Fare : $1.10

From GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL
Take the NEW HAVEN - UNION STATION bound Metro-North Train departing at 9:07 AM9:07 AM
Get off at NEW HAVEN - UNION STATION at 10:54 AM


Total Fare : $2.25 - Reduced Fare : $1.10

So we are looking at $4.50 total fare. She could have begged someone for that amount and got it. Why bother getting in a car and turning another trick. Only if the date was already made in advance, and the robbery just happened as sometimes thing do. I do not believe that the robbery was the reason she stayed. The meeting had to have been planned in advance. MOO only.

YOU are brilliant, Nugzter! It never even occured to me to check into how much money we would have been talking about.

I've got to rethink a bit now. :waitasec:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here's a thought...we know through msm reports that Maureen called friends from the Bus Terminal asking for a ride home the night she went missing. But are we possibly assuming too much in assuming she disappeared from the Bus Terminal? Just because friends last spoke to her there, doesn't neccesarily mean that that's the last place that she went. True, it seems a logical assumption, but it's still an assumption.

Again, a timeframe for this call to friends would be so helpful! Grrrr.

 

[nugzter]

Here's a thought...we know through msm reports that Maureen called friends from the Bus Terminal asking for a ride home the night she went missing. But are we possibly assuming too much in assuming she disappeared from the Bus Terminal? Just because friends last spoke to her there, doesn't neccesarily mean that that's the last place that she went. True, it seems a logical assumption, but it's still an assumption.

Again, a timeframe for this call to friends would be so helpful! Grrrr.

So true. I would like to know what time she made the call. It could be that there were only a few busses or none running if it were late at night or early morning. And was it friends or a friend she called (one or more calls)? Did they know what she was doing there? Did she mention anything about a "date" that was yet to come? I will check the times on the schedule.

EDIT****** Ok there are no busses from 1:40 am -5:40 am to CT.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So true. I would like to know what time she made the call. It could be that there were only a few busses or none running if it were late at night or early morning. And was it friends or a friend she called (one or more calls)? Did they know what she was doing there? Did she mention anything about a "date" that was yet to come? I will check the times on the schedule.

EDIT****** Ok there are no busses from 1:40 am -5:40 am to CT.

Helpful. Thanks.

One thing I'm confused about (hey, I live in the woods, okay!)...is New York Port Authority Bus Terminal JUST a bus terminal? Or is it a port for other things too? Trains...buses...is there shopping there? Bars? I have zero understanding of what the place is like.

ETA: Oh good lord. I just looked PABT up on google. I really DIDN'T have a clue.

 

[MrsPC]

Helpful. Thanks.

One thing I'm confused about (hey, I live in the woods, okay!)...is New York Port Authority Bus Terminal JUST a bus terminal? Or is it a port for other things too? Trains...buses...is there shopping there? Bars? I have zero understanding of what the place is like.

ETA: Oh good lord. I just looked PABT up on google. I really DIDN'T have a clue.

http://www.panynj.gov/bus-terminals/pabt-terminal-guide.html