The Rumor Mill -- unsubstantiated, yet possible relevant information

[LindsayLohan6]

Right. Read between the lines and it appears the police are saying the drifter is the LISK. It seems like there is a connection between Raffo and the drifter. I'd venture to say there might even be a connection between Bittrolff and the drifter considering Raffo and Bittrolff's addresses in Mastic.

April 8: http://nypost.com/2011/04/08/cops-eyeing-suspect-in-grisly-long-island-murders/
April 9: nypost.com/2011/04/09/2nd-man-partied-with-missing-li-hooker/

Everyone here has been to stupid to go back and look in the most obvious place since the beginning. How many posters have you seen on here urging everyone to look at the drifter?

 

[Notorious]

Robert, are you joking? I'm pretty sure there are no bodegas near Oak Beach. If they were going to a "bodega" I'd imagine the nearest store of this type would be in Babylon. But a 24 hour bodega that sells spice? I would bet the only 24 hour deli's in Babylon or anywhere in that area are 7-11's.

There are absolutely no stores on the ocean parkway. You would have to cross a bridge to get there. As for Bodegas, they are all over Long Island. Especially near the road that leads to the bridge. There's a town call Brentwood right there that has a very high Hispanic population.

 

[Notorious]

My Noo Yawker is showing. I call all kinds of newsstands, tobacco shops, head shops and delis "bodegas". All I know is something prompted a psychotic break after 4am and they had made a run obtain something around 2:30am. SG arrived at 2am and after awhile they seemingly determined they didn't have a substance one or both of them wanted. So they drove locally to get it. The time line tells us this.

It is of course possible that they turned up empty handed and she smoked something Brewer had lying around. Maybe she smoked nothing. SG was bipolar and not taking her meds. But they had clearly made an effort to get something nearby.

From Lost Girls:

Brewer was game. Michael had gotten a glimpse of him earlier, when he’d come out to open the gate, and about twenty minutes after that, when Brewer and Shannan left the house in his car to run an errand. Shannan had cleared it with Michael beforehand; he assumed it was to buy drugs.

Pak appears to support this scenario.



I don't understand how Hackett factors into this at all. He would have to had written a physical script for an opioid ASSUMING he had the necessary NYS controlled substance prescription forms. Why and when would he have done this, assuming he could?

"Gilbert’s cell phone records, provided by family and posted on a website dedicated to solving the case, show this:A call, lasting no more than a minute, to a 24-hour CVS in nearby West Islip at 2:55 a.m. Between 2:57 a.m. and 4:09 a.m., there were six short calls made between Gilbert and Pak, her driver, some outgoing, some incoming." (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html)

Again from Lost Girls:

Shannan called Michael after she and Brewer returned. She wanted him to go to a pharmacy for baby oil, K-Y jelly, and playing cards, all typical tools of the trade that helped an escort draw out the length of a date; when you’re on coke, playing cards makes the time fly by. Michael didn’t want to do it. The CVS was too far away, all the way across Great South Bay."

Not that anything in this case is straightforward but I think we are making things even more complicated than necessary. SG wanted baby oil, K-Y and playing cards.

Maybe Brewer was going to pick up some Viagra

 

[Notorious]

Something spooked SG enough to call 911. I wonder why she ran away from GC? He called 911. Isnt that what she wanted?

Good point DeeDee. This has ALWAYS bothered me. She was literally right at safety's door. All she had to do was run in and he would've locked the door behind her. This tells me either who ever was after her was beyond psycho or she was in a state where her perception was being altered....or perhaps both! She was already on the phone with police so what was the big deal if he called police. What's weird is that no one saw anyone actually running after her.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Good point DeeDee. This has ALWAYS bothered me. She was literally right at safety's door. All she had to do was run in and he would've locked the door behind her. This tells me either who ever was after her was beyond psycho or she was in a state where her perception was being altered....or perhaps both! She was already on the phone with police so what was the big deal if he called police. What's weird is that no one saw anyone actually running after her.

Hello...she tried to do this! Gus colleti wouldn't let her inside, she was locked outside helpless! He says hold on let me call 911....she's like "**** that I'm already on the phone with 911 and that's not going to safe my life RIGHT NOW! Let me in you old ****!" Nope he won't let her in, so she keeps running..lucid, common sense decision

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Robert Anderson, I'd love for you to address the drifter when you have time and how you can totally ignore him, the fact that he fits the profile and was announced by LE within 24 hours of them announcing they have a suspect, when suggesting Shannan was delusional and not in any real danger. In the mean time, are you aware of this post from out favorite ripper site:

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Hi. I am new to this forum but been reading it for months and love it.

I come from near the area of Long Island where these murders are taking place, West Islip.

There is a bridge that goes from West Islip over the great South Bay to Oak Island, where Gilgo Beach is. The dumping ground of these bodies.

I moved from LI to Phx Az but went home for a vacation back in April 2004. I was showing my husband my home turf and took him over the bridge.

At Captree State Park, down the road from Gilgo Beach where these bodies are being discovered we parked to get out and see the beach and were surprised to see on the beach was a mobile forensic lab and a number of men searching the grasses lining the back of the beach.

The men turned and looked at us and it was apparent we were not welcome on the beach. This is years before this story came to light and before they say the investigations started.

Later, when the story came out I naturally remembered the beach investigation years before and noticed the claim it started much later. I don't think so.

In the beginning they were investigating a man involved with one of the murdered girls, Shannon, a Craig's list girl seen at a house on Gilgo Beach owned by a Joseph Brewer. She was last seen running from his house screaming for help by the neighbor. Brewer was the last person to see her alive.

Brewer owns Higbie Liquors, which is in my home town of West Islip. After he became a suspect he moved in with his mother's home in West Islip.

For some reason they say they have discounted Brewer but I read recently in a post by a local his house in WI is still being watched via drive by police.

The story, of course, interests me."

 

[Puggle]

What murders are those?

Lindsay...ive saved them on my puter....on the Ipad at the moment...gotta attend some business...Ill post them up...probs be a couple hours though.

Puggle x

 

[Puggle]

Ok so I dont know how to link via my Ipad so Ill just give the details......and correction 1 murder..1 body cause of death at time of article was undetermined.

Both Male.

From New York Post dated January 30th 2003. Montauk Hwy and Barnes Rd Moriches....Twin Ponds. Decapitated male head found. Single gunshot to head........will have to confirm a previous address valued to JB as being Brookfield Avenue Moriches...1.63 miles away.

From Newsday dated October 6th 2010 Male body found Roberts Road Shirley cause of death at time of article being written was undetermined......0.24 miles from Concord Road.. another address that I will have to confirm attributed in some way to Mr B.

Sorry Lindsay...thats as far as I got...haven't researched these any further past noticing that the areas reminded me of past addresses or at least addresses that I believe are associated with him...........scrawled notes I had made...can remember the link now...

Just another throw out there......had attributed a M.B.J Construction incorporated to a John Bitteroff ......yep incorrect spelling of last name.Date of incorporation July 23 1992 and another Inc Mbj and Construction Mbj (2006 _ now) to the concord Shirley Address.......if its of any value??

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I'm nto familiar with the Robert's Road male. Intact I don't know of any male bodies found in 2010. This is of strong interest to me as I m very interested in cataloging the male victims. I believe the LISK is a closeted bisexual, and meets up with men for sex in secret. Although he may be pretty open about his love for trans females. I'd bet he uses the website hungangels for sure. Which bring us to the twin pods skull. this is Sugar Bear, who bring up almost daily but no one has any interest in. Sugar Bear's disappearance is similar to Megan's or Ambers. She went out to the car of her "special friend" a hispanic male driving a red sports car without her purse or jacket and was found dismembered with a gunshot wound to the head. Very intriguing how close to Bittrolff's former address. And on the topic of Sarah Strobel/Huntington, take a look at Wolf Hill Rd man. Wearing a bathing suit under his clothes and an AC shirt, he's shot multiple times and dumped in a garbage bag in Hungtington off Wolf Hil Rd. Look at hi teeth. Methadone. One more point about bittrolff, one of the manorville males, it's either John Doe 2k or 03, was found about a hundred feet from where Bittrolff dumped one of his victims (Coleen I think). And yes I believe it's actually shirley where the man was dumped. SO sounds like a very close dump to the Roberts Road man!

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Puggle great find! Is this male turns out to be a murder victim, he's the first male to be ID'd!

Cops: Shirley Man Found in Woods Died of Internal Bleeding
by Timothy Bolger on October 8, 2010
Suffolk County police have identified the 30-year-old man who was found dead in his hometown of Shirley on Wednesday and say that he died from internal bleeding.

A group of people found the body of Jose Fermin Sanchez in a wooded area 100 yards north of Roberts Road, about five blocks from his last known address on Windus Drive.

Homicide Squad detectives are continuing the investigation to determine the circumstances surrounding his death.

Anyone with information on the incident is asked to call the Homicide Squad at 631-852-6394 or anonymously to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-220-TIPS. All calls will be kept confidentia

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Holy **** you've stumbled upon something juggle! a laborer!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/n...dly-night-on-long-island-no-answers.html?_r=0

 

[Puggle]

Holy **** you've stumbled upon something juggle! a laborer!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/n...dly-night-on-long-island-no-answers.html?_r=0

Ewwwww....removed 20 to 30 peices of wood from his anus.....wood connection...coincidence....

 

[Puggle]

I'm nto familiar with the Robert's Road male. Intact I don't know of any male bodies found in 2010. This is of strong interest to me as I m very interested in cataloging the male victims. I believe the LISK is a closeted bisexual, and meets up with men for sex in secret. Although he may be pretty open about his love for trans females. I'd bet he uses the website hungangels for sure. Which bring us to the twin pods skull. this is Sugar Bear, who bring up almost daily but no one has any interest in. Sugar Bear's disappearance is similar to Megan's or Ambers. She went out to the car of her "special friend" a hispanic male driving a red sports car without her purse or jacket and was found dismembered with a gunshot wound to the head. Very intriguing how close to Bittrolff's former address. And on the topic of Sarah Strobel/Huntington, take a look at Wolf Hill Rd man. Wearing a bathing suit under his clothes and an AC shirt, he's shot multiple times and dumped in a garbage bag in Hungtington off Wolf Hil Rd. Look at hi teeth. Methadone. One more point about bittrolff, one of the manorville males, it's either John Doe 2k or 03, was found about a hundred feet from where Bittrolff dumped one of his victims (Coleen I think). And yes I believe it's actually shirley where the man was dumped. SO sounds like a very close dump to the Roberts Road man!

Lindsay can you give me a link to sugar bear.....are you saying he/she us the decapitated head found in the twin ponds....

ETA: Found the link....Ill have a read up...

 

[LindsayLohan6]

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2725

Here is the male found in Manorville with Jane Doe 2000. He's actually found in Shirley. I'm not sure of the exact location i have to research but I believe it's close to Jose Sanchez. John Doe is hispanic. Here's what I'm thinking. If the LISK is landscaper, he might hire day laborers and this is where the UID males are coming from. He'd have a chance to get to know them and find out who won't be reported missing. Can anyone tell how close John Doe was dumped tp Jose? I believe John Doe was dumped about a hundred feet from Bittrolff's victim

 

[LindsayLohan6]

WOW

On Oct. 5, 2010, he recalled, he met up with Mr. Sánchez, who was 33, and several other acquaintances, all of them Latino immigrants, in Shirley around 4 p.m. The gathering place was a small trash-strewn stand of trees wedged between the back of a bowling alley and William Floyd Parkway, a busy four-lane road.

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Sitting on an old, torn mattress in a spot about 50 yards from the road and 25 yards from a parking lot, they downed tequila and Bud Light.

Hours later, Mr. Tum said, he passed out on a small mound of dirt, several yards away from the other men. He remembers waking up to find someone’s hands on him. He said it felt like someone was trying to insert a needle in his arm. And then, he said, he felt people punching him. He lurched to his feet, bolted from the woods and ran to the Mastic Shirley train station, about a mile north along William Floyd Parkway, to seek help.

Paramedics found him “lying on the ground at the train station,” according to his admission report at Brookhaven Memorial Hospital Medical Center in Patchogue, where Mr. Tum was brought at 5:24 a.m. on Oct. 6. “He admits to being intoxicated with alcohol for the past two days,” the report continued. “He does not remember what happened.”

Doctors discovered a deep stab wound near Mr. Tum’s anus, according to a postoperative report, and removed between 20 and 30 pieces of wood from his anal canal. His sphincter had been “destroyed,” the report said.

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[LindsayLohan6]

John Doe: approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway

 

[LindsayLohan6]

It doesn't look like Jose was dumped that close, he's somewhere near the mastic train station. But John Doe was dumped a mile n half east of Express drive where Colleen McNamee was dumped. The needle is very intriguing to me. I'm reminded of the story of the men in black suits with the red painted numbered rocks spread about the ground and the bucket. Pickle Chris will remember this post.

 

[NJGuy]

Right. Read between the lines and it appears the police are saying the drifter is the LISK. It seems like there is a connection between Raffo and the drifter. I'd venture to say there might even be a connection between Bittrolff and the drifter considering Raffo and Bittrolff's addresses in Mastic.

April 8: http://nypost.com/2011/04/08/cops-eyeing-suspect-in-grisly-long-island-murders/
April 9: nypost.com/2011/04/09/2nd-man-partied-with-missing-li-hooker/

Everyone here has been to stupid to go back and look in the most obvious place since the beginning. How many posters have you seen on here urging everyone to look at the drifter?

*Too stupid

 

[Puggle]

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2725

Here is the male found in Manorville with Jane Doe 2000. He's actually found in Shirley. I'm not sure of the exact location i have to research but I believe it's close to Jose Sanchez. John Doe is hispanic. Here's what I'm thinking. If the LISK is landscaper, he might hire day laborers and this is where the UID males are coming from. He'd have a chance to get to know them and find out who won't be reported missing. Can anyone tell how close John Doe was dumped tp Jose? I believe John Doe was dumped about a hundred feet from Bittrolff's victim

Think...brain tired!!......from what I can work out the male victim found in 2000 was found approximately 1.14 miles from Colleens remains....I'd probably be more inclined to say his remains were found in Yaphank. Jose remains were about 4.5 miles away from the male found in 2000....

Thats a good theory Lindsay.....and could be an explanation as to why these male does haven't been identified.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/bodies-found-in-manorville-area-1.3619376

 

[Puggle]

Lindsay you posted about this Yolay guy....probably spelt that wrong....sorry I wasn't around when this person was discussed...from Backreading...is he someone that lives in Oak beach?......something to do with the security cameras??