The Sidebar - Harris Trial #2

[Nana46]

OT.....I work with a girl who lost almost everything due to a house fire.....it started from a plugged in toaster believe it or not.....I never leave mine plugged in and have started unplugging my Keurig coffee maker as well....yep I am a worry wart,lol.

 

[Hope4More]

"I knew I had done what every parent in their life fears they have done and that's leave their son in a car all day,"

Harris sounds as though he's speaking at an advocacy conference years after the fact. At the very least, this comment certainly doesn't sound like something a grieving parent says mere hours after discovering and their own child's body.

IMO, it’s pretty clear that children dying in hot cars was not RH’s “greatest fear,” if it was even a fear of his at all.

It’s equally clear to me that it WAS indeed either Leanna’s greatest fear, or one of her greatest fears. 17 months before Cooper died, she sent RH a text with an article attached. The text said-: “don’t be like this father.” The article was about a father in New York who had accidentally left his son in a hot car, killing him.

Cooper was 5 months old then, and she sent the article in FEBRUARY 2013. The death was in New York (State), presumably relating to an incident that had happened in warmer/hot weather, months prior.

Who worries about hot car deaths in February?

Leanna did.

IMO, RH sat there being interviewed by LE, trying in every way to convince them he knew about hot car deaths because he feared them, and so would never have been knowingly negligent about leaving Cooper in the car (“it’s not like I left him in the car to go into the grocery store&#8221. Parroting Leanna’s fears, which I’m willing to bet she repeated to him a great many times.

 

[Hope4More]

Hope4More, GA Peach or Minor4.. or anyone else, I know that we have talked about... but I have been looking to refind the video... it is Lumpkin and Boring.. going over the sentencing. It was where Lumpkin told about the change in law going into effect July 1 2014 on sentencing. There was case law showing where the Mandatory Life was cruel punishment. And the various other charges under GA statutes was less than what the State was going for on old statute. The State argued that the Motion was not Ripe, Lumpkin argued a case where if had not brought up prior that case missed their window to argue. Judge Statley sided with the State and deemed it not ripe at the time and would come back to it, if and when a guilty verdict.

I will look a little bit longer then I will just have to come back to it. Going to work in my yard when warms up a little more lol since no court today Thanks if anyone remembers when that one was.

Will check on Beth Karas site for the original court doc.

 

[Rayemonde]

FACT CHECK. Ross Harris did NOT post a comment after watching the vet video on YouTube.


Day 13, Stoddard on direct. He does not say that RH left a comment on YouTube (or anywhere) after watching the Dr. Ernie Ford (vet video).


Stoddard says RH told him (after commenting on cracked open windows and a few other observations) that he watched the video and had thought, “it would be terrible if my son were in the car. I would hate that


RH tells LE this after the fact. There is no evidence RH actually thought of Cooper when he watched the vet video 5 days beforehand.
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Day 13, Part 3, Cathy CC’s Youtube, begin around 1:12 in.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...CEE4246048E56CB18C1BCEE4246048E56CB&FORM=VIRE

Nooo, really?! That was the one thing to me that really really pointed to malice murder. I don't take what he said to Stoddard after the fact seriously, because he was talking crap to try and get out of trouble, imo. So he may not have thought about Cooper at all when he watched that video. And he only watched it once, not twice.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Will check on Beth Karas site for the original court doc.

Thank you!! I have watched the video of court and I wanted to share it.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Nooo, really?! That was the one thing to me that really really pointed to malice murder. I dobt take what he said to Stoddard after the fact seriously, because he was talking crap to try and get out of trouble, imo. So he may not have thought about Cooper at all when he watched that video. And he only watched it once, not twice.

I encourage you to go listen to State OS on what they considered for malice. Also what they said then and then in Closing.. knowing what we heard from testimony during trial. One being Jaynie Meadows testimony.. both on Direct and Cross then for Boring to still hold that RH killed Cooper to be with Jaynie??? :facepalm: JMHO

 

[Hope4More]

Thank you!! I have watched the video of court and I wanted to share it.

October 24, 2014.

The DT filed a motion to Squash RH's indictments for felony murder, arguing the indictments represented cruel and unusual punishment (violation of his Constitutional rights) because the felony murder (attached to CC felony predicates) statutes weren't put into effect until July , 2014, after Cooper's death.

 

[MsMtOlympus]

IMO, it’s pretty clear that children dying in hot cars was not RH’s “greatest fear,” if it was even a fear of his at all.

It’s equally clear to me that it WAS indeed either Leanna’s greatest fear, or one of her greatest fears. 17 months before Cooper died, she sent RH a text with an article attached. The text said-: “don’t be like this father.” The article was about a father in New York who had accidentally left his son in a hot car, killing him.

Cooper was 5 months old then, and she sent the article in FEBRUARY 2013. The death was in New York (State), presumably relating to an incident that had happened in warmer/hot weather, months prior.

Who worries about hot car deaths in February?

Leanna did.

IMO, RH sat there being interviewed by LE, trying in every way to convince them he knew about hot car deaths because he feared them, and so would never have been knowingly negligent about leaving Cooper in the car (“it’s not like I left him in the car to go into the grocery store&#8221. Parroting Leanna’s fears, which I’m willing to bet she repeated to him a great many times.

I hear what you're saying about the parroting of Leanna aspect and it's a great point (not surprising since the majority of your points are great regardless if I agree with them or not ). My discomfort with Harris's words are more the implication of said words: "I knew I had done what every parent in their life fears they have done and that's leave their son in a car all day" to me, implies a level of self-reflection and introspection that simply can't be conjured up organically in the amount of time between when Cooper was "discovered" and the interview with Stoddard, particularly for a grieving in parent in shock.

 

[Hope4More]

I encourage you to go listen to State OS on what they considered for malice. Also what they said then and then in Closing.. knowing what we heard from testimony during trial. One being Jaynie Meadows testimony.. both on Direct and Cross then for Boring to still hold that RH killed Cooper to be with Jaynie??? :facepalm: JMHO

FinallyReg is totally conversant with the Ms. Meadows angle. (Still trying to catch up, FR. )

 

[arkansasmimi]

I still can not believe that the SW testimony was not allowed. Suppression hearing here is Murphy and Lumpking Dec 2015 going over SWs [video=youtube;xdcTCn0MEcI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcTCn0MEcI&index=3&list=PLoW1SIeAWaWZCvvZq0gB6RrtgHvBibnsb[/video]

 

[Hope4More]

I hear what you're saying about the parroting of Leanna aspect and it's a great point (not surprising since the majority of your points are great regardless if I agree with them or not ). My discomfort with Harris's words are more the implication of said words: "I knew I had done what every parent in their life fears they have done and that's leave their son in a car all day" to me, implies a level of self-reflection and introspection that simply can't be conjured up organically in the amount of time between when Cooper was "discovered" and the interview with Stoddard, particularly for a grieving in parent in shock.

I understand what you're saying. IMO, RH was genuinely in shock at the scene, all the way up to minutes later when LE seized his phone and he was handcuffed in the back of Piper's car.

After that, in the car on through the beginning of his interview. I think he alternated between shock and a desperate need to control himself because the fact of the matter was he knew he was screwed every which way if LE kept his phone and if they didn't believe this was an accident.

What I see as entirely consistent with RH's morally bankrupt personality was that, bottom line, he wasn't going to allow anyone to hold him responsible for anything.

The State's argument that when push came to shove RH valued himself more than he did Cooper resonates with me, up to this precise point, but no further.

A father who loved Cooper in the way I define love wouldn't have been capable of thinking of himself first after he had just found the body of his son, dead because of RH's negligence.

I truly do understand the leap many make from this to believing, if this, then he was capable of murdering Cooper to free himself up. I don't make that leap because I don't think the evidence supports it, but the leap I do make (not nice of me, but there it is) is that RH richly deserves whatever punishment that results from this jury's verdicts (short of malice murder, see above).

 

[arkansasmimi]

October 24, 2014.

The DT filed a motion to Squash RH's indictments for felony murder, arguing the indictments represented cruel and unusual punishment (violation of his Constitutional rights) because the felony murder (attached to CC felony predicates) statutes weren't put into effect until July , 2014, after Cooper's death.

THANK YOU! :loveyou: I knew we had talked about this.
Here is Lumpkin and Boring
Begin at the 32:00 mark [video=youtube;uRG6yJMOARY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRG6yJMOARY&index=3&list=PLoW1SIeAWaWbJFWVaOT7hUZkxX0v2uq6l[/video]

 

[JerseyGirl]

I don't feel that RH was shocked at the scene. A lot of witnesses claimed they saw him as "putting on a show".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ews-testimony-and-video-*No-Discussion*/page2

 

[minor4th]

Grand Jury UPDATE... :thinking: thought there was no 2nd Degree Murder in GA? Curious since he "was drunk" and had drugs, did they look at his phone too? (serious, not being snarky)

Father charged with 2nd degree murder in deaths of twins left in hot car
Updated: Sep 1, 2016 - 12:50 PM

CARROLL COUNTY, Ga. - A Carrollton man has now been charged with two counts of murder in the second degree the deaths of his twin girls left in a hot car in August.

The grand jury recommended of second degree murder, two counts of cruelty to children in the second degree and one count of possession of less than one ounce of marijuana for Asa North.

Carrollton police told Channel 2 Action News that North's 15-month-old twin daughters Ariel & Alaynah were found unresponsive after being left in a hot car on Tillman Drive.

Officers said they got the call at about 6:30 p.m., and arrived at the complex to find neighbors trying to cool the girls down.

They were in a wading pool and using ice packs to try to lower the girls' body temperatures, but police said it was too late. The twins were taken to Tanner Medical Center in Carrollton where they were both pronounced dead.

North was previously charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/fat...-in-deaths-of-twins-left-in-hot-car/434878868

Father Indicted in Twins' Hot Car Death
Asa North is facing second-degree murder charges for leaving the girls in a hot car outside a Carrollton apartment complex.
By Tim Darnell (Patch Staff) - September 1, 2016 11:38 am ET

CARROLLTON, GA — The father of twin girls who died in a hot SUV last month in Carrollton has been indicted on second-degree murder charges.

Carroll County DA Pete Skandalakis made the announcement Thursday morning, according to WSB.

Asa North was also indicted on two counts of cruelty to children and possession of less than an ounce of marijuana.

North allegedly left the girls in the backseat of an SUV on Aug. 4 while their mother was visiting her sister at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, according to police. Police also say North was drunk at the time.

Police were called to an apartment complex around 6:30 p.m. and neighbors trying to cool the girls down in the pool with ice packs.
http://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/father-indicted-twins-hot-car-death

At the time of Cooper's death there was no 2nd degree murder. The law was changed a few days later to include second degree murder and a shorter sentence in cases like this.

 

[Rayemonde]

Agree^^^^
And JMHO the man who became an advocate... was probably again JMHO Charles Green, who daughter was left on the van at daycare listed in the Media Release I posted.

Snip: Officials hope the public will help pass the “Look Again” video along to family and friends using social
media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pinterest. Featured in the video are interviews with
Jenny Stanley, mother of six-year-old Sydney Marie Stanley of Evans, Georgia, who died in August,
2010, when she became trapped in the family car while it was parked in the garage, and Charles Green,
father of two-year-old Jazmin A’mya Green, a toddler who died in June, 2011, after being left for two
hours on a daycare van in Jonesboro, Georgia. http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wgcl/hotcarwarning.pdf

Well if it was, Jazmin Green's parents didn't even leave her in in the vehicle, it was daycare workers. Three of them were arrested, and charged with cruelty to children, reckless conduct, manslaughter and murder.

A 17 year old pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and reckless conduct and in May 2014 the other two were acquitted of murder by a jury but found guilty of reckless conduct, manslaughter and deprivation of a child (which is a felony) and sentenced to prison. So that was just before Cooper died, and there was a lot of press coverage of the trial, and this happened in Georgia.

I can not imagine that if RH was aware of this case he would have thought it sounded like the perfect crime, and thought he wouldn't even be investigated.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arrested-death-toddler-hot-daycare-van/story?id=13895335

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/daycare-owner-daughter-sentenced-to-jail-in-death-/nf4Yc/

 

[minor4th]

FACT CHECK. Ross Harris did NOT post a comment after watching the vet video on YouTube.


Day 13, Stoddard on direct. He does not say that RH left a comment on YouTube (or anywhere) after watching the Dr. Ernie Ford (vet video).


Stoddard says RH told him (after commenting on cracked open windows and a few other observations) that he watched the video and had thought, “it would be terrible if my son were in the car. I would hate that


RH tells LE this after the fact. There is no evidence RH actually thought of Cooper when he watched the vet video 5 days beforehand.
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Day 13, Part 3, Cathy CC’s Youtube, begin around 1:12 in.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...CEE4246048E56CB18C1BCEE4246048E56CB&FORM=VIRE

So glad this was cleared up. This is what I thought I remembered from the testimony but then I saw several comments about Ross leaving an actual post on the vet video - which would have been very chilling, if true.

 

[minor4th]

Hope4More, GA Peach or Minor4.. or anyone else, I know that we have talked about... but I have been looking to refind the video... it is Lumpkin and Boring.. going over the sentencing. It was where Lumpkin told about the change in law going into effect July 1 2014 on sentencing. There was case law showing where the Mandatory Life was cruel punishment. And the various other charges under GA statutes was less than what the State was going for on old statute. The State argued that the Motion was not Ripe, Lumpkin argued a case where if had not brought up prior that case missed their window to argue. Judge Statley sided with the State and deemed it not ripe at the time and would come back to it, if and when a guilty verdict.

I will look a little bit longer then I will just have to come back to it. Going to work in my yard when warms up a little more lol since no court today Thanks if anyone remembers when that one was.

I see that you have found the video or Hope did.

This issue will be argued if there is a conviction of 2nd degree child cruelty. I think the defense has the winning argument on this.

 

[minor4th]

(Bold and underlined are my replies)


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Seems to me the only person RH ever seemed capable of fooling was himself, but I think the more apt word for that is “denial.” He wasn’t a puppeteer; he was a man who apparently felt he couldn’t even control anything in his own life.

That was such an absolutely brilliant response and explanation of why the evidence points so clearly to accident rather than deliberate murder.

 

[SuzDuJour]

I didn't get to hear the testimony about his supposedly telling his friends that he would be late to the movie, yet he wasn't late at all. That's a real sticking point for me.

 

[minor4th]

I didn't get to hear the testimony about his supposedly telling his friends that he would be late to the movie, yet he wasn't late at all. That's a real sticking point for me.

I'm not sure this is factual or that there was testimony about it.