The Single Piece of Henkel Duct Tape Found NOT on Remains

[steelergirl]

We can't be certain, but I agree the rug was taken from the back porch. They really don't have a "front porch", so to speak, just an entry way. If you look at the evidence sheet, everything listed is from the backyard porch...seat cushions, table cloths, furniture covers.....and the rug. she could have very easily laid Caylee down there.

Just a thought after reading the thread, to go off of this quote by bananarama....maybe she laid Caylee down for some reason on the rug and Caylee vomited or expelled some fluid onto the rug and that's why Casey (possibly) wrapped her head with a trash bag to stop the "leaking" coming from Caylee?

Heartwrenching to write that.

 

[seagull65]

bbm~ Hi seagull...when was this if you remember? I don't remember that ever being discussed at all. I must have missed it somehow even though it seems like I was on here 24/7 in the beginning. I really don't see how duct tape is dangerous myself, it's hard enough for an adult to pull a piece off from my experience..but that of course is jmo.

I so agree with you and Curious about hoping that Caylee did not know what was going on at the time, that just makes me want to cry. I doubt that ANYONE will ever know KC's reasoning behind doing something so horrifying...:furious:

Yes Pondering I do remember discussions in the beginning about every possible kind of household accident, from choking on a piece of dog food, to playing with a plastic bag to winding something around herself to electrocution, to accidentally ingesting drugs, to falling off a balcony or stairs, to of course pool accident. I'm sure there were others that I've forgotten.
I never saw any discussions about an accident specifically with "duct" tape or Henkel brand duct tape-- is that what you're getting at? :waitasec:

FWIW I want the perpetrator of this crime convicted whoever they are, I'm not partial. And no, I don't think any normal mind can grasp how anyone could harm a child like that.

 

[seagull65]

bbm~ I really don't see how duct tape is dangerous myself, it's hard enough for an adult to pull a piece off from my experience..but that of course is jmo.

yes tape can be hazardous to small children, you're supposed to keep it out of their reach, just like with cords, etc. I was only responding to another poster's comment about some very sticky tape being a little scary. :waitasec:

 

[Imbackon]

Waiting for a photo of these brackets!!!!!

Jbean or someone already showed the bracket photos.
Don't know how to find it, but they are next to the gas can in a pic somewhere in these threads.
Sorry if this has already been answered.

 

[Imbackon]

what? Tape is hazardous to small children, you're supposed to keep it out of their reach, just like with cords, etc. I was only responding to another poster's comment about some very sticky tape being a little scary. :waitasec:

Never heard about that one. Guess I'm a bad mom/grandma.

 

[Valhall]

Is this the seafoam green rug, I think that one was from the back porch, the one that "lit up" under the special light? So did that rug have some red fibers on it? Or is there another rug from the front porch?
I wonder what the stain will turn out to be, whether actually from Caylee, or just some spill or accident from the dogs or something, or pool water from people standing there before going in, or what?

My bad then! I thought that was from the front porch. But I would contend that there had still been too much travel over that rug to make any solid connection.

 

[seagull65]

maybe it was the front porch Val, I was asking because I wasn't sure if it was all one rug being discussed or two rugs. You could be right about a lot of traffic on the rug, shoes bringing fibers from wherever.

 

[seagull65]

Guess I'm a bad mom/grandma.

I don't think so! ha ha Actually, it's so hard to childproof or petproof a home, isn't it. There are so many things we never think of.

 

[Cat13067]

CA laundry room was located in the garage area maybe she had red rug where the washer and dryer was located. I know many people who place area rugs in front of their washer and dryers.

 

[seagull65]

was someone asking what Casey was wearing in the Blockbuster pictures, regarding fibers?

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html

 

[Pondering Mind]

Never heard about that one. Guess I'm a bad mom/grandma.

Me neither...shame on us bad moms/grandmoms. :waitasec: I can't even get the carp apart myself, lol! An infant getting a torn piece in their mouth and choking, yes..but the roll, (especially with a child Caylee's age) nah not that I've ever heard of anyway.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I don't think so! ha ha Actually, it's so hard to childproof or petproof a home, isn't it. There are so many things we never think of.

That's so true and then you have a home like the A's that by all accounts borders on obsessive as far as Cindy's control issues (so you know it was childproof to the max!) Except they still choose not to acknowledge the one thing that Caylee needed to be 'childproofed' from.....her own mother. Nope, you can't think of everything.

 

[christee]

Okay, the red fibers are not from the shirt. Q81 clothing (shirt) - off-white cotton, purple (d), off-white (d), pink (d). However, the shirt MAY HAVE contained the same contaminating fiber from another source as Q104 tape - black (d), red (l). (BTW - just noticed that these are not "1's" they are "l's". Not sure what the (d), (l) and (ld) stand for at this point.)

The red fibers don't come from the laundry bag (Q84) which is made up of off-white (d), off-white (ld) coarse. The laundry bag is contaminated with fringe hairs as well, but no red fibers there. It has fringe hairs.

The shorts have pink printed off-white cotton, blue printed off-white cotton, purple off-white cotton and orange printed off-white cotton. They have contaminating fibers of pink printed off-white cotton (probably from shorts), green printed off-white cotton, and red (d).

The winnie the pooh blanket (Q82) has no red fibers present but does have head hairs (Caylee's) and fringe hairs.

The second blanket (Q103) (labeled as "miscellaneous blanket") has fringe hairs, and within it's fiber content "light red (d)" fibers. I'm thinking these don't match with those on Q104 as distinguished both by the "light", but possibly could be the same. The red fibers on Q104 are described as "red cotton".

The interesting part of this is that there are only two items listed in this long string of evidence that outright state "red cotton", and neither of them were at the crime scene. Those are:

Q245 - rug from Anthony's front porch (contains fringe hairs and blue cotton, red cotton and pink cotton as contaminating fibers).

Q248 - Napkins from trash bag of KC's trunk (contains head hair - not like Caylee's, blue cotton, red cotton and black cotton as contaminating fibers).

It is worth noting that the other pieces of duct tape at the crime scene (Q62-Q64) and the tape on the gas can (Q66) did not have red cotton fibers on them.

I'm not sure anything I just said is useful...but it helps me think through things to type this stuff out, so I might as well share it once I've done it! lol

Could red fibers be from transfer from KCs clothes? I know that when the temp is hot that duct tape adhesive gets soft and gooey, sometimes leaving a little bit of sticky on my fingers.

I might as well ask another question: I can't tell but are there 1 or 2 words along the left edge of the piece of tape?
Also what is that mark on the bottom edge of tape towards the left side? It looks kinda like the tip of a finger but I know it can't be.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5513&d=1255226116

FWIW I believe the frayed edge on the right end of tape was chewed by animals. I also see tiny puncture holes possibly made by sharp teeth?

 

[seagull65]

if they are very tiny puncture holes it could be some of the pin marks from when they pinned the tapes to a foam board, I saw some tiny holes I thought were bite marks on the first tape pictures but read later they were from when the laboratory personnel taped them to a foam board. But there could be holes from animal teeth. (Edited to add, I think the pin marks were only on the ends before, wouldn't think they would be along that frayed/gnawed/melted edge.)

 

[seagull65]

it's so strange when you look at fabrics under magnification, the color of fibers that are in things can be really surprising, and extraneous fibers that are in there. Just with my child's "eyeclops" magnifying toy, anyway.

Does anyone know if Casey's red T-shirt was accounted for in inventories?

 

[seagull65]

Could red fibers be from transfer from KCs clothes? I know that when the temp is hot that duct tape adhesive gets soft and gooey, sometimes leaving a little bit of sticky on my fingers.

I might as well ask another question: I can't tell but are there 1 or 2 words along the left edge of the piece of tape?
Also what is that mark on the bottom edge of tape towards the left side? It looks kinda like the tip of a finger but I know it can't be.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5513&d=1255226116

FWIW I believe the frayed edge on the right end of tape was chewed by animals. I also see tiny puncture holes possibly made by sharp teeth?

I see the fingertip looking shape you mentioned. Thanks

 

[MissJames]

Never heard about that one. Guess I'm a bad mom/grandma.

I've never heard of tape being a hazard ,either,IBO ,and I've taken many,many classes on child safety,childproofing and have had inspections in my home every year to be a liscensed foster parent.I'm confounded with this one. :waitasec: I need to hunt up this info since the grandkids could be at risk,now.

 

[seagull65]

that makes since....i thought the rug was from the back porch....

do we know what color clothes kc was wearing that day....from the video store?

i was thinking.....when i rip off tape....and need to use more then one piece....i will rip a few off and stick them onto something....like a table ...or my pants....or even the back of my hand....so they can be quick to get to....

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html

 

[MissJames]

Me neither...shame on us bad moms/grandmoms. :waitasec: I can't even get the carp apart myself, lol! An infant getting a torn piece in their mouth and choking, yes..but the roll, (especially with a child Caylee's age) nah not that I've ever heard of anyway.

Well,we can rest easy,Pondering Mind.The tape placed on Caylee was obviously not an accident,KC has never said there was an accident and in order for an accident theory to even float,KC would have to take the stand.How would she explain the 31 days and the duct tape? She can't.So no worries.
PS,methinks LE is going to ask the A's to come in and discuss this Henkal tape ,soon.Like how many rolls were there and where did they buy it and do they still have any of those posters with the tape attached.

 

[seagull65]

Well,we can rest easy,Pondering Mind.The tape placed on Caylee was obviously not an accident,KC has never said there was an accident and in order for an accident theory to even float,KC would have to take the stand.How would she explain the 31 days and the duct tape? She can't.So no worries.
PS,methinks LE is going to ask the A's to come in and discuss this Henkal tape ,soon.Like how many rolls were there and where did they buy it and do they still have any of those posters with the tape attached.

I hope you don't think at this late stage that I was suggesting the tape on Caylee was an accident? Is that why you and Pondering are going on about it? I don't think it was an accident any more now than I think she was placed in the laundry bag and dumped in the woods by accident. Duct tape placed on a child's mouth like that and her body dumped like that was obviously to do with an assault.