marlywings
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Ok enough of the birthing stories.
Back on topic thanks.
Back on topic thanks.
My nephew was born in an ambulance on the side of the road. His Mum thought she had plenty of time given her first took forever to be born and she was just cruising along doing things around the house. We convinced her to call an ambulance, she did reluctantly. The Paramedic could see the baby's head bulging in her knickers. She told him she'd cross her legs until she got to the hospital but they pulled over and delivered him right then and there.
come on UT sure you don't have a secret crush on him:shame:
Secret crush..:waitasec: thinking, thinking...
Nope... not even just a little bit, don't think his charms would work on me at all.
If there is to be a conviction I really hope it is for murder, a manslaughter conviction is going to open up a tremendous can of worms.
A manslaughter conviction means that GBC will have been found not guilty of murder and barring exceptional evidence surfacing again in the future, can never be retried for that offence.
Neither the Crown or the defence made any case for manslaughter and it would be an absolute sentencing nightmare for Justice Byrne. How do you sentence someone who is found guilty of an offence that nobody - defence, prosecution or Judge, thought was the appropriate charge in the first instance? Can you make a serious violent offender order when so little is known about the manner in which Allison died?
Then comes the prospect of an appeal, it worries me that a manslaughter conviction will come under close scrutiny because neither side led any evidence to suggest that it was indeed manslaughter. The case may well be made that the verdict of manslaughter was not supported by the evidence led at trial.
JMO but manslaughter would be a huge cop out from the jury. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that, if Allison was the victim of a homicide, it was anything less than murder. To my way of thinking the only jurors who would be thinking along the lines of manslaughter are those who cannot convince themselves of his guilt but yet don't want to see him walk and are advocating for a watered down charge. Surely it has to be either murder or outright acquittal.
Not even if he was wearing a fire fighter uniform? Or a Todd-esque cape??!! ;-)
I completely agree with all of your thoughts here JCB. Why did Justice Byrne make such a point about the possibility of manslaughter then? This was a surprise to me. Was he legally obligated to do so? It seemed to come out of the blue - it had never been flagged before in this case.
I completely agree with all of your thoughts here JCB. Why did Justice Byrne make such a point about the possibility of manslaughter then? This was a surprise to me. Was he legally obligated to do so? It seemed to come out of the blue - it had never been flagged before in this case.
If there is to be a conviction I really hope it is for murder, a manslaughter conviction is going to open up a tremendous can of worms.
A manslaughter conviction means that GBC will have been found not guilty of murder and barring exceptional evidence surfacing again in the future, can never be retried for that offence.
Neither the Crown or the defence made any case for manslaughter and it would be an absolute sentencing nightmare for Justice Byrne. How do you sentence someone who is found guilty of an offence that nobody - defence, prosecution or Judge, thought was the appropriate charge in the first instance? Can you make a serious violent offender order when so little is known about the manner in which Allison died?
Then comes the prospect of an appeal, it worries me that a manslaughter conviction will come under close scrutiny because neither side led any evidence to suggest that it was indeed manslaughter. The case may well be made that the verdict of manslaughter was not supported by the evidence led at trial.
JMO but manslaughter would be a huge cop out from the jury. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that, if Allison was the victim of a homicide, it was anything less than murder. To my way of thinking the only jurors who would be thinking along the lines of manslaughter are those who cannot convince themselves of his guilt but yet don't want to see him walk and are advocating for a watered down charge. Surely it has to be either murder or outright acquittal.
Yes he was. He did tell the jury that there was no evidence to suggest manslaughter and that he was only giving them the option because he was legally obliged.
This is an open and shut case, but its so hard to convince 9 people to agree on almost anything. There is always at least 1 muppet. For him to get acquitted it also requires a unanimous verdict?