PlainJaneDoe
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Oh no, falling asleep thinking of you alll and all who love Allison tonight :heartbeat:
I can't believe the jury will come back with a manslaughter verdict if they take Judge Byrne's words seriously, those scratches show that he killed her intentionally. Allison fought for her life, he could have stopped at any moment during those moments he overpowered her.
There have been many cases where a man has attempted to strangle a woman but stopped short of killing her.
I will be very disappointed with a manslaughter verdict, I would really like to know how they came to that conclusion as I am sure the Dickies would too. jmo
This might be the Last Thread. Hopefully it ends with a just result. Thank you all for your company along this road.
It may be that, even if you were to find that the accused lied about his facial injuries because he realised that the truth would show him to be the killer, still you would not conclude that the lie shows that he realised that her death after scratching him with her fingernails would show that he had killed her intentionally. Judge Byrne
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gerard-badenclay-murder-trial-judge-warns-jury-not-to-consult-outside-sources/story-fnihsrf2-1226984982501
I can't believe the jury will come back with a manslaughter verdict if they take Judge Byrne's words seriously, those scratches show that he killed her intentionally. Allison fought for her life, he could have stopped at any moment during those moments he overpowered her.
There have been many cases where a man has attempted to strangle a woman but stopped short of killing her.
I will be very disappointed with a manslaughter verdict, I would really like to know how they came to that conclusion as I am sure the Dickies would too. jmo
Yes good point. If you are strangling or smothering someone then if they reach out to stop you, and scratch you, then as the judge said, you would normally recoil, and it would be a chance for you to stop, essentially a wakeup call. So if you kept on going, really it is absolutely an indication of intent.
God - the fact the jury asked about this - can it mean they are trying to reach a guilty verdict, or at least manslaughter?
On news reports on DAY 1 of the trial it said that GBC has pleaded NOT GUILTY to murdering AND interference of corpse.From yesterday...
Yes good point. If you are strangling or smothering someone then if they reach out to stop you, and scratch you, then as the judge said, you would normally recoil, and it would be a chance for you to stop, essentially a wakeup call. So if you kept on going, really it is absolutely an indication of intent.
God - the fact the jury asked about this - can it mean they are trying to reach a guilty verdict, or at least manslaughter?
If can still be classed as Manslaughter if there was intention to kill (Voluntary Manslaughter). For example: if the jury decided Allison had found out about the ongoing affair, attacked Gerard, and in self-defense he went too far.
PS. Not suggesting this happened, just that Manslaughter is possible with intention.
My mum went for a walk this morning and found a single very long stemmed sunflower in a field.
She dug it up and potted it and bought it over to me.
I got a tear in my eye and was so dumbfounded I literally had my mouth open.
She asked what my problem was, she practically knows everything about this case except for the significance of sunflowers.
She couldn't believe the coincidence either when I explained it to her.
What r u talking aboutApparently being given out at court and happy for this to be shared
What r u talking about
Oh, Allison's sunflower. Discovered all alone, standing proudly and gladly, tall and beautiful; 'Twas brought home lovingly, and nurtured;I know, it still amazes me each time I look at it. I am terrible at keeping plants alive, so I need all of you to wish it well and to grow. I have a feeling though it will flourish all on its own. I will post a pic of it tomorrow. My camera is a little bit hurt, but I'm hoping it will be ok soon.
I am wondering if one of the jurors is convinced it is manslaughter and perhaps the others are not and are trying to clarify the definitions correctly for that juror.
I am wondering if one of the jurors is convinced it is manslaughter and perhaps the others are not and are trying to clarify the definitions correctly for that juror.
Lol sorryGee, you are quick. The picture didn't come out and I deleted the post. It was a vivid yellow ribbon in the shape of those breast cancer ones etc.
does the jury retire for lunch or just go straight through