The word "hurt" in media reports

[ewwwinteresting]

I don't see any solid evidence pointing away from Raven!

OR any circumstancial evidence....nothing....nada.....just two people saying....oh, but raven IS innocent. I just know it. They post once and leave. They offer nothing. IMO, they don't KNOW he's innocent, they HOPE he's innocent.

 

[L L & S]

Oh, I know, its because the Durham police haven't called you up personally and said, "Hey let me give you the truth on this murder case."

LMAO, smack-down! That was pretty good there BirdHunter, welcome aboard.

 

[hoppyfrog]

I, myself don't recall the exact information, and it's not something I'm hanging the ENTIRE case on. However, if you read this thread, it's got some info you might be looking for as well as the timeline thread.
Crime scene info thread: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23846&highlight=autopsy's

I read through both threads you mentioned and found nothing about RA placing himself home at 10:30.

Hoppy

 

[hoppyfrog]

Can't we request the 911 call as a matter of public record?

I've wondered that too. My guess is that if LE says releasing it at this point would impede their investigation, they don't have to release it.

Hoppy

 

[JustJax]

I read through both threads you mentioned and found nothing about RA placing himself home at 10:30.

Hoppy

There are many many threads and posts....you may need to do your own research......

 

[JustJax]

I've wondered that too. My guess is that if LE says releasing it at this point would impede their investigation, they don't have to release it.

Hoppy

My guess is that your guess is an educated one.....
There may be details in a 9-11 call that would describe a crime scene, time line, etc. that would need to be kept within the confides of the investigation until it's conclusion.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I've wondered that too. My guess is that if LE says releasing it at this point would impede their investigation, they don't have to release it.

Hoppy

Which is why we don't have alot to go on. If LE is keeping all of their cards, I can't help speculate that they know who, when, how, and are now working on why...

 

[hoppyfrog]

There are many many threads and posts....you may need to do your own research......

I've been doing hours of research. Can't find it anywhere. Not in any thread or in any media reports. Nada. *That's* why I'm asking for help.

Hoppy

 

[hoppyfrog]

My guess is that your guess is an educated one.....

I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

Hoppy

 

[LTUlegal]

I've been doing hours of research. Can't find it anywhere. Not in any thread or in any media reports. Nada. *That's* why I'm asking for help.

Hoppy

I finally recalled where I remembered that information, and it was from Rooster. But it appears that post was deleted or edited. I've searched all his posts and it's not there anymore...perhaps Rooster put himself a little too close to the situation & thought better of it. Perhaps someone's attorney told him to shut the f up.

 

[terminatrixator]

Information from the search warrant:

Search warrant issued: 4/27/05 3:15 a.m.
Search warrant executed: 4/27/05 5:45 a.m.

Application for search warrant:
On April 26, 2005 at 10:58 p.m. uniform patrol officers responded to 2606 Ferrand Drive in reference to a gun shot wound. At 11:50 p.m. I, WL Early, arrived at the above location. At 11:55pm I spoke with Off. Jason Williams on car #221, who advised that he had received the call to this location in reference to a gun shot wound. Off. Williams advised this investigator that when he arrived at the scene, he spoke with a Mr. Raven Abaroa, who advised that his wife was upstairs,, and that she was hurt.Off. Williams entered the residence, and observed a white female in a upstairs bedroom, laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest.
On April 27, 2005 at 12:13 a.m. I, Inv. Early entered the residence and I observed in a upstairs bedroom, the body of a white female laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest. There was a large amount of blood near the body, there was stains on the walls of the bedroom, and there was blood stains near the side door of the residence, located on the South side.
At approximately 12:25am, I departed the residence.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Information from the search warrant:

Search warrant issued: 4/27/05 3:15 a.m.
Search warrant executed: 4/27/05 5:45 a.m.

Application for search warrant:
On April 26, 2005 at 10:58 p.m. uniform patrol officers responded to 2606 Ferrand Drive in reference to a gun shot wound. At 11:50 p.m. I, WL Early, arrived at the above location. At 11:55pm I spoke with Off. Jason Williams on car #221, who advised that he had received the call to this location in reference to a gun shot wound. Off. Williams advised this investigator that when he arrived at the scene, he spoke with a Mr. Raven Abaroa, who advised that his wife was upstairs,, and that she was hurt.Off. Williams entered the residence, and observed a white female in a upstairs bedroom, laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest.
On April 27, 2005 at 12:13 a.m. I, Inv. Early entered the residence and I observed in a upstairs bedroom, the body of a white female laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest. There was a large amount of blood near the body, there was stains on the walls of the bedroom, and there was blood stains near the side door of the residence, located on the South side.
At approximately 12:25am, I departed the residence.

Not sure why you posted this.

We're trying to locate the original source of the report that RA arrived home about 10:30 p.m.

Hoppy

 

[L L & S]

Hello HF... I think the Trixter was addressing the title of the thread the word "hurt" in the media.

 

[terminatrixator]

Why thank you L L & S for explaining this very point, I was trying to make, to our esteemed Sir Hoppy.

Yes, the title of the thread has to do with Raven stating Janet was hurt. No doubt, Sir Hoppy has found a way to make it seem that the LE did not do their job right, and that it was an error of some sort, which we all know is quite ridiculous, Raven said "Gunshot" Raven said "Hurt", and you can lead a horse to water...but if they don't drink, so be it.

I say good luck finding the a thread of a post regarding Rooster's claim that "The Raven" was home about 10:30. It was here, now it's not, which leads me to suspect that someone, somehow, forced "The Rooster" to pull that particular post.

It is my sarcastic belief that "The Raven" was dictating to the "The Rooster" what to post and what not to post, and "The Raven" was told, in fact, to get rid of that particular post, by "the attorney" so he therefore went to "The Rooster" and told him to do this.

I'm sure it wasn't easy for "The Rooster" to figure out how to do do this, but then again if any human/fish or fowl was told to do something immediately by "The Raven", I'm sure they now realize, they should do exactly what "The Raven" says, I mean, he does have a fondness for knives!

It was here now it's gone, so now it's time to say goodbye......

 

[golfmom]

last known to be alive 7:00 p.m.

When he returned, he went to Kaiden's room and kissed him good night. Raven discovered his wife's body moments later in another part of the house, according to one of his brothers.

onset injury about 10:50

death about 10:55

911 call 10:58

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My understanding is Raven's stories change depending on who is in the audience. At least one version includes a arrival time between 10:30-10:40 p.m.

After the soccer game is over, Raven has to account for his time. Just as an example, let's say the soccer game ended at 10:00 p.m. and the field is only 15 minutes away, but Raven claims he got home at 10:45 p.m.? There's 30 minutes there of unaccounted for time.

The timeline will work backwards and forwards to pin him directly to the scene of the crime at the time of death.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Okay, we've seen from hoppyfrog, radar, and justgimmethetruth that there is at least some doubt amongst us. I think that the debate is great and has been a long time coming!

Instead of picking apart whether Raven said he was home at 10:30 or not or whether it was Raven that said his wife was hurt or someone else paraphrasing Raven, how about if we discuss alternate possibilities? IMO, we're never going to get anywhere battling over the above issues. It's interesting to discuss but ultimately, it isn't going to change anything in anyone's minds on either side. So what are the other possibilities of what happened that night? That's the real issue - that many of us see no other likelihood. If you read the forum, and see something that we might have missed, let's talk about it. What could have happened according to what we've read?

 

[radar]

Radar is just trying to be objective. LE has not given one ounce of information that would lead anyone to think Raven is guilty or not guilty. They don't have any suspects and they haven't done anything on this case in months. If they were sure it was Raven, why have they let him go for so long???

Yes I am trying to be objective, thank you. Most of the things brought up on this forum are rumors! If LE operated on rumors we would all be in trouble.

 

[radar]

Information from the search warrant:

Search warrant issued: 4/27/05 3:15 a.m.
Search warrant executed: 4/27/05 5:45 a.m.

Application for search warrant:
On April 26, 2005 at 10:58 p.m. uniform patrol officers responded to 2606 Ferrand Drive in reference to a gun shot wound. At 11:50 p.m. I, WL Early, arrived at the above location. At 11:55pm I spoke with Off. Jason Williams on car #221, who advised that he had received the call to this location in reference to a gun shot wound. Off. Williams advised this investigator that when he arrived at the scene, he spoke with a Mr. Raven Abaroa, who advised that his wife was upstairs,, and that she was hurt.Off. Williams entered the residence, and observed a white female in a upstairs bedroom, laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest.
On April 27, 2005 at 12:13 a.m. I, Inv. Early entered the residence and I observed in a upstairs bedroom, the body of a white female laying on her back, with what appeared to be a stab wound to her chest. There was a large amount of blood near the body, there was stains on the walls of the bedroom, and there was blood stains near the side door of the residence, located on the South side.
At approximately 12:25am, I departed the residence.

How can they be so precise that the TOD was 10:55PM? Were paramedics there? Couldn't the TOD have been earlier?

 

[Jenifred]

How can they be so precise that the TOD was 10:55PM? Were paramedics there? Couldn't the TOD have been earlier?

Please refer to the posts on determining TOD and rigor mortis.

 

[radar]

Please refer to the posts on determining TOD and rigor mortis.

I have read those and isn't it 6 to 7 hours for rm to set in? So I ask again, how can they be so precise? 10:55PM!