Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #5

[CarmelEyesD]

Very plausible-a sudden stop, hitting the dash or windshield...but then, why not seek emergency medical treatment? Call an ambulance, drive to hospital etc...why the cover-up? Why all the lies and discrepancies? It could be simply said an animal ran out and brakes got slammed. Even if Hayliegh wasn't buckled, that wouldn't be murder charges...makes no sense...even if it were Misty, driving without a license, the best bet would still be to seek medical attention..IMO

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I think the firs time I heard anything about Hank Sr. taking pain medication was after he came homr from the hospital after being in the car wreck. I can beleive that the grandmothers had prescriptions though before Haleigh disappeared.

Thanks for clarifying lonetraveler. I believe that self-medicating and prescription sharing is common amongst families. My own DD gave me a muscle relaxer that she was prescribed for a car accident once when I experienced extreme menstrual cramps. I didn't think about it at the time, but if I had had an adverse reaction to the medication, she could have been in a heap 'o trouble! I've learned better since joining WS!:innocent:

wm

 

[lonetraveler]

I’ve been watching the voice analysis test on Misty and she details that Monday, Feb. 9th and starts with the story about taking Haleigh to GGMS house to get an outfit and Misty walks her into the school to her classroom, returns, sleeps all day…….Ron gets ready for work, goes and picks Haleigh up from the bus stop.

Then, her brother, Hank and his kids come over, the AC man comes over, kids play, she cooks dinner and washes Haleigh’s blanket. The man who is conducting the test stops her and asks her to talk about the blankets. Misty said that she was gone for the weekend, her (meaning Haleigh) blanket smelled like pee, then goes on about the pee and the blanket story……

In the first part she is already with Ron and the children early Monday morning going to GGMS house to fetch Haleigh’s outfit. In the second part, she talks as if she was not there until later (she was gone for the weekend and her (Haleigh) blanket smelled like pee. If it smelled like pee when she returned from the weekend and she returned Sunday, why was Haleigh covered up with a pee smelling blanket on Sunday night? But on Monday night Misty was absolutely not going to let this happen?

Big contradiction on when Misty returned to the MH. Personally, I think GGMS was correct in that Misty came back just prior to Ron going to work Monday. This also points out one more lie that Teresa has told to protect Ron. Teresa stated that Ron and Misty were up all night Sunday night "talking".

IMO, she also lied about Ron picking up Haleigh at the bus stop.

It would really be nice if her lies could be cleared up so that we could actually have a strong basis for a theory. Just wading through her lies brings everything to a standstill.:banghead:

 

[azwriter]

Agree. For all the protesting we hear re RC's estimated departure, and rampant speculation re when RC began his shift, "all the people" who supposedly saw Haleigh alive (which is actually down to GMS who eventually comes up w the ever later account of Haleigh sittin outside on the porch, 'w her plate and cup, hollerin' :angel beyond the airtight "I wuz at werk" alibi, this is what I keep coming back to.

Far too much effort has been put into establishing this smokescreen. And there is a smirk of defiance when Ron states this as tho he is defying anyone to prove otherwise. Something happened to Haleigh before he went to work--upon which someone else assumed clean-up and cover-up duty so he could hightail it to PDM asap... where he could be witnessed. JMO

arrot:

kiki, I can live with this theory. It's good. But, what about the repairman? Was he there? Did he see Haleigh alive and well and "popping Wheelies?" Sure wish we knew who he was or what he had to say about his visit to the motorhome that early evening.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Flashing back again to the dog tracking route back to pond (and outbuilding)...

I know it was cold and it would have to have been an accidental fall into the water but...

Does anybody believe that, had Haleigh accidentally fallen into the water--while unsupervised, either because RC was at Green La but busy arguing/making up w MC, or after he left, having told Misty himself that it was fine for kids to wander back there...

...and having had Haleigh near drown once on his watch previously (in canal) that he would be inclined to cover up due to fears of having Junior removed.... or in the case of his already having left, but having allowed the children to go back there on many previous occasions or told MC it's fine, that it might make him either less apt to point the finger but rather blame himself?

Nah... delete that. In all honesty I can't envision RC ever accepting that much responsibility for anything.

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[kiki the parrot]

Very plausible-a sudden stop, hitting the dash or windshield...but then, why not seek emergency medical treatment? Call an ambulance, drive to hospital etc...why the cover-up? Why all the lies and discrepancies? It could be simply said an animal ran out and brakes got slammed. Even if Hayliegh wasn't buckled, that wouldn't be murder charges...makes no sense...even if it were Misty, driving without a license, the best bet would still be to seek medical attention..IMO

I agree. No convincing needed... really just trying to play devil's advocate... to myself:waitasec: :crazy:

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[lonetraveler]

kiki, I can live with this theory. It's good. But, what about the repairman? Was he there? Did he see Haleigh alive and well and "popping Wheelies?" Sure wish we knew who he was or what he had to say about his visit to the motorhome that early evening.

That has always been a frustrating bit that we have seen absolutely nothing about the AC man at the mobile home. We also never heard when Tommy and the kids left. Misty doesn't mention GGMS on the voice analysis either when she is going through the activities of February 9th and this test was months after GGMS made the statement about being at the mobile home that evening. I guess GGMS story wasn't part of the script that Misty was told to follow.

 

[dodie20]

Flashing back again to the dog tracking route back to pond (and outbuilding)...

I know it was cold and it would have to have been an accidental fall into the water but...

Does anybody believe that, had Haleigh accidentally fallen into the water--while unsupervised, either because RC was at Green La but busy arguing/making up w MC, or after he left, having told Misty himself that it was fine for kids to wander back there...

...and having had Haleigh near drown once on his watch previously (in canal, that he'd be inclined to cover up due to fears of having Junior removed.... or in the case of his already having left but having allowed the children to go back there on many previous occasions, that it might make him either less apt to point the finger but rather blame himself?

Nah... nevermind. In all honesty I can't envision RC accepting even that much responsibility for anything.

arrot:

I've actually considered this theory, but more on the lines that while Ron & Misty were arguing or working out their problems', Haleigh wandered off, & he ANGRILY went after her-hence their assertion that Haleigh would never wander off. Dumb statement, because what kid couldn't wander off? just another smokescreen.

 

[kiki the parrot]

kiki, I can live with this theory. It's good. But, what about the repairman? Was he there? Did he see Haleigh alive and well and "popping Wheelies?" Sure wish we knew who he was or what he had to say about his visit to the motorhome that early evening.

All we know is that AC man supposedly visited 202 that afternoon about 5ish, I do not believe it was he who reported her popping wheelies (the idea of which is ludicrous itself lol). There was nothing stating specifically he was able to place Haleigh there only that "children" were seen "playing outside" IIRC All I know is LE sure has kept that person under wraps. JMO

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[Searchfortruth]

I thought, from the beginning, that Ron lost his temper and this led to Haleigh's death. Maybe it happened during their fight and they both know they would each be held responsible.The drug theory is just about as likely though, IMO. I can see Ron and Misty covering up Haleigh's death with either of these scenarios. What I find almost impossible to believe is that Ron and Misty haven't told anyone else about what happened ?

 

[lonetraveler]

So if Ron is at work and Misty is home with Haleigh, and something happens, like an drug overdose, who takes her out of the MH? A drug overdose would implicated then both, but who would they trust enough to call? I have a hard time with the mothers only because I don't think Ron would want them to EVER know the truth of his lifestyle of what happened. The circle isn't that big.

I've always wondered about the small outbuilding that the dogs tracked to. Could Haleigh have been put into the building until someone came and picked her up? But then we have the cadaver dogs alerting on the dumpster. This case has been exhausting.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I’ve been watching the voice analysis test on Misty and she details that Monday, Feb. 9th and starts with the story about taking Haleigh to GGMS house to get an outfit and Misty walks her into the school to her classroom, returns, sleeps all day…….Ron gets ready for work, goes and picks Haleigh up from the bus stop.

Then, her brother, Hank and his kids come over, the AC man comes over, kids play, she cooks dinner and washes Haleigh’s blanket. The man who is conducting the test stops her and asks her to talk about the blankets. Misty said that she was gone for the weekend, her (meaning Haleigh) blanket smelled like pee, then goes on about the pee and the blanket story……

In the first part she is already with Ron and the children early Monday morning going to GGMS house to fetch Haleigh’s outfit. In the second part, she talks as if she was not there until later (she was gone for the weekend and her (Haleigh) blanket smelled like pee. If it smelled like pee when she returned from the weekend and she returned Sunday, why was Haleigh covered up with a pee smelling blanket on Sunday night? But on Monday night Misty was absolutely not going to let this happen?

Big contradiction on when Misty returned to the MH. Personally, I think GGMS was correct in that Misty came back just prior to Ron going to work Monday. This also points out one more lie that Teresa has told to protect Ron. Teresa stated that Ron and Misty were up all night Sunday night "talking".

IMO, she also lied about Ron picking up Haleigh at the bus stop.

It would really be nice if her lies could be cleared up so that we could actually have a strong basis for a theory. Just wading through her lies brings everything to a standstill.:banghead:

Surely to goodness LE has interviewed school personnel to verify HaLeigh's school attendance that day. My guess is that HaLeigh checked in late but that's JMO.

Also the meeting with WBG that didn't happen that Monday along with Misty's comment that "Ron gives her what she wants" (drugs?) makes me believe that drugs may have been used as a bargaining chip for her to return and babysit. Misty had the big drug induced weekend prior with NayNay and WBG at Chad's and I believe that she must have wanted more. Especially if she had to deal with 2 little kids. Could GGMS's visit have indeed been to deliver some pills under the guise of delivering laundry? TN had supposedly offered to pay Misty to babysit but Misty declined. Then TN sent GGMS over to deliver laundy and 'check on things'. Misty and kids were on the front porch. Why? Was Misty expecting her? just thinking and trying to put all this together.

wm

 

[lonetraveler]

Not only would it be nice to hear from the school teacher concerning Haleigh's attendance but I would also like confirmation from the teacher about Misty walking Haleigh to her classroom. Surely, other parents bringing their child to class and maybe the teacher would have witnessed this.

 

[lonetraveler]

OT, but just a heads up. FBI serving warrant in Somer Thompson's case

http://jacksonville.com/news/2010-0...e_on_house_near_somer_thompsons_disappearance

 

[Crosby87]

I think Ron concocted a plan to have HaLeigh abducted and her disappearance is not a result of an accident.

Because Ron has not been charged in connection to his daughter’s disappearance, he is able to receive public sympathy and generous donations to console him for his loss. Ron isn’t interested in doing menial work and with HaLeigh gone; he can continue to profit from crime and be in the media spotlight like he always dreamed he could be. While HaLeigh is gone, Ron is able to supplement his tax-free drug earnings with generous donations from the public as well as the perks and benefits he receives from doing interviews etc. I believe Ron staged the abduction of his daughter so he could relinquish his job at PDM Bridge and cash in on the crime against his daughter so I think Ron is the mastermind behind this abduction and he is only pretending he doesn’t know his daughter’s current state of affairs. This theory also explains why Ron doesn’t think Misty doesn’t have anything to do with it and why Ron quit talking with LE after his daughter’s disappearance.

TN is lying when she said Ron was raised to respect women and children, on the contrary Ron has exploited the rights of women and children closest to him since Day 1 and Ron is (was) able to benefit from the crime that was committed against his daughter until his luck ran out. CS was 14 years of age and Misty was 16 years old when Ronald became unlawfully involved in these women’s lives which prove Ron has a history of violence against women and any vulnerable female is not safe around him. HaLeigh was never safe around her father who is clever in a devious way. Is it possible Ron arranged to have HaLeigh taken when he knew Misty was home alone sleeping with the children and he kept the matter to himself and TN doesn’t know either.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I've actually considered this theory, but more on the lines that while Ron & Misty were arguing or working out their problems', Haleigh wandered off, & he ANGRILY went after her-hence their assertion that Haleigh would never wander off. Dumb statement, because what kid couldn't wander off? just another smokescreen.

Yes it has always been a source of particular frustration or puzzlement to me that he was so insistent that Haleigh would NEVER have wandered off...

I think he knew she wasn't coming back--and it was perhaps a vain effort to try to direct or steer LE away from intense searching of immediate area surrounding the mh.

arrot:

 

[waltzingmatilda]

OT, but just a heads up. FBI serving warrant in Somer Thompson's case

http://jacksonville.com/news/2010-0...e_on_house_near_somer_thompsons_disappearance

Oh thank you! I hope this is the break they need and an arrest is imminent.
I also hope for a break in Haleigh's case. Maybe the planetary alignments are right for justice being served!

 

[kiki the parrot]

Surely to goodness LE has interviewed school personnel to verify HaLeigh's school attendance that day. My guess is that HaLeigh checked in late but that's JMO.

Also the meeting with WBG that didn't happen that Monday along with Misty's comment that "Ron gives her what she wants" (drugs?) makes me believe that drugs may have been used as a bargaining chip for her to return and babysit. Misty had the big drug induced weekend prior with NayNay and WBG at Chad's and I believe that she must have wanted more. Especially if she had to deal with 2 little kids. Could GGMS's visit have indeed been to deliver some pills under the guise of delivering laundry? TN had supposedly offered to pay Misty to babysit but Misty declined. Then TN sent GGMS over to deliver laundy and 'check on things'. Misty and kids were on the front porch. Why? Was Misty expecting her? just thinking and trying to put all this together.

wm

(bbm) Personally I think there was a far more ominous purpose for GMS' visit that eve... thus her reluctance to even divulge or disclose this for nearly 10 days IIRC and in turn the stretching of the time of that visit from earlier to eventually 8:00 pm.

And I don't think GMS--and Nurse Elysa--were dropping off anything. Their visit was only disclosed when it became necessary to corroborate RC's alibi of being at work and Haleigh still being alive. JMO

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[Dr.Fessel]

(bbm) Personally I think there was a far more ominous purpose for GMS' visit that eve... thus her reluctance to even divulge or disclose this for nearly 10 days IIRC and in turn the stretching of the time of that visit from earlier to eventually 8:00 pm.

And I don't think GMS--and Nurse Elysa--were dropping off anything. Their visit was only disclosed when it became necessary to corroborate RC's alibi of being at work and Haleigh still being alive. JMO

arrot:

I think they were checking on Haleigh who was showing signs of a head injury she received earlier in the day.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I would be leaning toward drug overdose, if Hayleigh wasn't kidnapped (for real), as the fact that no one called for medical help is telling. A blow to the head, an injury-they can be explained as accidents. A drug overdose? Not so much. The fact that Ron called home so many times, called people to go over and check-indicates he already knew something was wrong. I don't think this was a normal pattern. Even if Misty wasn't home, and discovered a dead child upon her return-I don't think Ron would cover that up. So either she really WAS kidnapped (and Ron may have an idea of who, but now where she is-someone HE is afraid of), or something happened that pointed to their illegal activities and had to be concealed. Not an injury, even caused by fighting with Misty-children fall, they hit their heads...a gun injury or drug overdose would need to be concealed.