Theories on what happened to Haleigh

[kikid]

another thought I've had recently regarding LE and the crime scene..

1. The ripped out a wall by the hot water heater, some here have speculated it was to get to the drain traps. If there was any evidence of vomiting or vomiting blood, surely they would have found some evidence.
2. TES left so quickly
3. Misty has been questioned repeatedly and given numerous polygraphs
4. Ron & Misty haven't been cleared
5. The mysterious vehicle taken into evidence
6. Were there any blankets on any of the beds in the media walk thru of the trailer? if not, are they evidence?

Seems to me LE isn't really looking outside of the family. but thats just moo

oops, and forgot the biggest one!

7. In the last presser and plea for Haleigh the FBI agent pleaded with "Someone" to "do the right thing", to come forth with information even if it is regarding a family member or loved one. This didn't sound like a plea for Haleigh but for someone to come forward and tell the truth.

 

[Dee10]

I have another thought that would still link the two of them. What if there were drugs on the beside table or the dresser and Haleigh took some while watching the movie? She could have gotten sick on the blanket, which needed washing also perhaps on her nightshirt. I would think they should be able to tell if Haleigh had worn that shirt or if it was freshly washed? If these were illegal drugs, there would be a motive for both of them to protect each other. Junior most likely would be asleep by the time anything went on & we know Misty was cleaning & doing laundry. If this were the case I suspect she would be doing just that but probably starting at that time. Ron could have removed her when he got home perhaps the dumpster for awhile (wouldn't take very long)? This could explain his "dumb bi$ch girlfriend" comment and anger, leaving drugs in reach of the kids. There is also something strange about Misty talking about the blankets. She starts off saying it was her blanket, then changes it. I think it could have been hers as Haleigh was probably watching the movie on the double bed beside her brother. It could have taken awhile for her to be sick and may have been too late to save her.

I also wouldn't rule out Ron lost his temper with Haleigh before work.

 

[mybrokenwings]

I have another thought that would still link the two of them. What if there were drugs on the beside table or the dresser and Haleigh took some while watching the movie? She could have gotten sick on the blanket, which needed washing also perhaps on her nightshirt. I would think they should be able to tell if Haleigh had worn that shirt or if it was freshly washed? If these were illegal drugs, there would be a motive for both of them to protect each other. Junior most likely would be asleep by the time anything went on & we know Misty was cleaning & doing laundry. If this were the case I suspect she would be doing just that but probably starting at that time. Ron could have removed her when he got home perhaps the dumpster for awhile (wouldn't take very long)? This could explain his "dumb bi$ch girlfriend" comment and anger, leaving drugs in reach of the kids. There is also something strange about Misty talking about the blankets. She starts off saying it was her blanket, then changes it. I think it could have been hers as Haleigh was probably watching the movie on the double bed beside her brother. It could have taken awhile for her to be sick and may have been too late to save her.

I also wouldn't rule out Ron lost his temper with Haleigh before work.

Dee,

That is another scenerio that I have thought about!! No matter how Haleigh died I believe now that they are both involved and that is why things have gone the way they have. That is what Misty is blackmailing Misty over so she could get married. Ron is truely grieving, but because of what he knows, not because of what he doesn't know. Misty just doesn't really care. She has had a hard life and has learned to look out for herself only.

IF Ron isn't guilty and isn't involved, THEN he married Misty for one reason and one reason only. To get her away so he can find out the truth. He did say he was going to take out the trash. I took that to mean he was going to kill whoever did it himself.

I am convinced that Misty is guilty for sure though. By Ron's actions he is too. He is NOT a happy newlywed and obviously didn't want to be married. So we will soon see.... I have faith in Cobra getting to the truth.

 

[Indigo]

I have a nagging feeling that Ron's work timeline is off. Misty said she looked at the clock at 3, noticed the door was open and went back into the bedroom to get her cell phone to call Ron. She claims it was at this point she noticed that Haleigh was missing. Ron was pulling up in the driveway.

This would make Ron's arrival home at least 20 minutes earlier than was first reported. This would also mean that both of them waited to call 911.

 

[aprilshowers]

He said in the Geraldo interview that he only spanked the way DCF showed him. Well, DCF doesn't just drop by random houses and show people how to spank. DCF would only show a parent how to spank if the parent were doing it using inappropriate force or objects.

Funny how he knows the laws on how to abuse your kids.

IDCF does not tell you to hit/spank your child. They tell you to give them a time out.

DFACS does not approve of any type of corporal punishment..period. Be it as swat, a belt, a hand or a switch. Yeah, why did he need a demo??? (by his own admission).

MOO

 

[kikid]

I have another thought that would still link the two of them. What if there were drugs on the beside table or the dresser and Haleigh took some while watching the movie? She could have gotten sick on the blanket, which needed washing also perhaps on her nightshirt. I would think they should be able to tell if Haleigh had worn that shirt or if it was freshly washed? If these were illegal drugs, there would be a motive for both of them to protect each other. Junior most likely would be asleep by the time anything went on & we know Misty was cleaning & doing laundry. If this were the case I suspect she would be doing just that but probably starting at that time. Ron could have removed her when he got home perhaps the dumpster for awhile (wouldn't take very long)? This could explain his "dumb bi$ch girlfriend" comment and anger, leaving drugs in reach of the kids. There is also something strange about Misty talking about the blankets. She starts off saying it was her blanket, then changes it. I think it could have been hers as Haleigh was probably watching the movie on the double bed beside her brother. It could have taken awhile for her to be sick and may have been too late to save her.

I also wouldn't rule out Ron lost his temper with Haleigh before work.

yes, this is another good theory in my mind

 

[kikid]

He said in the Geraldo interview that he only spanked the way DCF showed him. Well, DCF doesn't just drop by random houses and show people how to spank. DCF would only show a parent how to spank if the parent were doing it using inappropriate force or objects.

Funny how he knows the laws on how to abuse your kids.

IDCF does not tell you to hit/spank your child. They tell you to give them a time out.

DFACS does not approve of any type of corporal punishment..period. Be it as swat, a belt, a hand or a switch. Yeah, why did he need a demo??? (by his own admission).

MOO

i know that's right! we don't know why DCF was involved in this situation, but we do know SOMEONE turned him in regarding living in a one bedroom trailer and his kids sleeping in the same room - because it was stated that's why he had to move in Nov. to the bigger trailer.
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IF and I don't necessarily believe it was, but IF it was an RSO or SO - maybe it was that someone who turned him in.... leading to the situation where Haleigh would be in her own bedroom?? just a thought I had but I am not sure I even can let my imagination run this far.

 

[LLH]

A couple things about this seem odd to me.

First of all, why would 2 small children be eating dinner on the front steps, when it was dark (or dusk) and cold? If this is true, then there wasnt time for watching two movies before bedtime.

The call to 911, Ron had been home appx 5-10 minutes,, which is not enough time to
do a search of the home and surrounding area. Most people wouldnt assume the child was kidnapped- they would search pretty thoroughly first. On the 911 tape Ron sounds
as though he is grieving for Haleigh, not just panicked. This was the first time my alarm bells went off. I believe Ron and Misty have some knowledge of what happened. In the Caylee 911 call- CA was panicked, not grieving.

RJ says he saw a man in black. This sounds to me like a story that was fed to him. A small child seeing a stranger in the house would be frightened and would awaken the caretaker or parent (especially being in the same bed). If Rj saw this person, he would also have seen Haleigh taken away, and would have awoken Misty. I dont know of any children in that young age group that will lay silently in bed while frightened.

One other thought on the kitchen light being on. Did anyone notice if there are circulation vents in that home? No matter where I am in my house I can tell if there is a light on, simply because it filters through the vents above the doors...and also underneath the doors. This might explain why Misty would get up and leave the bedroom.
On th other hand, when my daughters were 17 and left alone even for a short time at night, every light in the house would be on.

I dont think Haleigh left the home on her own. The fact that her mattress was on the floor of her dads room tells us that she was afraid of the dark and would not have ventured out of the room alone unless she was sleep walking. Coming from a family of sleepwalkers, we did some rather unusual things but never left the vicinity of our home.

I wonder about LE taking the door off the hinges a month later. It would have been sprayed with luminol and dusted for prints long ago. Curious !

These are just my thoughts and opinions and nothing more.

 

[Donjeta]

I wonder what the LE was looking for when they did the search saying it could be something thrown out of a car window. Whose car? What was thrown? Does anybody have any thoughts on that?

 

[gogrannypop]

FWIW, and MOO...I read another poster's comment that I agree with, but I have no compulsion to look for it at the moment.

I believe that RC and MC both knew that she left the kids alone for some period of time that night. Whether it was to go get cigs or some such things, IDK. They are covering each others az$es, if you ask me.

 

[Donjeta]

I vacillate between theories.

It seems such an unexpected and extraordinary development in a missing child case that the influence of extraterrestrials cannot be discounted off the bat.

I like Grandma Sykes's theory. She said that it had been a horrible month with Haleigh missing and it was time for something happy to happen for a change. Getting married is not always an option when people need cheering up after a tragedy but whatever works.

One likely motive I think is the custody issue. They think that shacking up with an underage girlfriend would look bad at court, especially if this one is pregnant too. I haven't seen love mentioned by RC at all. Misty might have had some romantic Barbie dream about him, as she seemed really happy to be engaged but even her version of love made it sound like she was getting married because she had something to prove, to let people know she loved RC and the children and couldn't have anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. The theory being that RC wouldn't have married her if she wasn't above reproach.

If he's the controlling type, a teen wife might be ideal.

My sinister theory is that the whole "this is for Haleigh, this is what she would have wanted" thing is an exercise in regret. I wish they'd quit saying it. Who in their right mind gets married because a missing girl likes weddings? When they say so, especially if Haleigh is in the past tense, I get visions of them knowing Haleigh is dead and granting her wishes posthumously being a way of showing remorse. Loyalty issues would also come into the picture, safer to assume that a spouse will lie for you?

What I don't get is the apparent support of the family. Doesn't anybody in the family think that the haste was a bit unseemly?

 

[snookie]

I agree with all your points, Donjeta.

I, too, think it's especially weird how accepting the family is of Misty.

 

[carlos1111]

R has been my top suspect for a while. He has a temper and could have flown off the handle accidently killing Haleigh. If M was present she could have been responsible for cleanup when R went to work. Therefore, she could have had control over him and have said "marry me or I will tell what I know" He didnt look to happy leaving the courthouse the day they went for the license in my opinion

 

[kikid]

I like Grandma Sykes's theory. She said that it had been a horrible month with Haleigh missing and it was time for something happy to happen for a change.

that puts her on my hinky meter also. what grandma is going to say that when her little baby girl is missing... time for something happy to happen? wth is she even thinking?

 

[kiki the parrot]

FWIW, and MOO...I read another poster's comment that I agree with, but I have no compulsion to look for it at the moment.

I believe that RC and MC both knew that she left the kids alone for some period of time that night. Whether it was to go get cigs or some such things, IDK. They are covering each others az$es, if you ask me.

I have another thought that would still link the two of them. What if there were drugs on the beside table or the dresser and Haleigh took some while watching the movie? She could have gotten sick on the blanket, which needed washing also perhaps on her nightshirt. I would think they should be able to tell if Haleigh had worn that shirt or if it was freshly washed? If these were illegal drugs, there would be a motive for both of them to protect each other. Junior most likely would be asleep by the time anything went on & we know Misty was cleaning & doing laundry. If this were the case I suspect she would be doing just that but probably starting at that time. Ron could have removed her when he got home perhaps the dumpster for awhile (wouldn't take very long)? This could explain his "dumb bi$ch girlfriend" comment and anger, leaving drugs in reach of the kids. There is also something strange about Misty talking about the blankets. She starts off saying it was her blanket, then changes it. I think it could have been hers as Haleigh was probably watching the movie on the double bed beside her brother. It could have taken awhile for her to be sick and may have been too late to save her.

I also wouldn't rule out Ron lost his temper with Haleigh before work.

If Misty and dad are concealing something there is a reason, some shared complicity on some level altho in Misty's case I believe she could be easily manipulated or enticed to cover for dad or just because she lacks the courage or strength to defy and turn him in. Of course she alone could be culpable on any number of levels, and be afraid to confess for the same reason--because she's afraid of dad. For dad to participate at all, I feel this entails his involvement or complicity, on some level. I just can not believe even he would first defend and then marry a girl he even suspected made possible at any level his daughter's disappearance... or worse. Unless he was himself directly or indirectly responsible, like having left drugs w/in Haleigh's reach, some medical reason for which he bore at least equal responsibility or having allowed or even told Misty to leave home for some reason that night (if she had no key or means of locking up eg.) Otherwise I can't see a father so quick to forgive suspected wrongdoing on her part, to simply let "bygones be bygones." JMO

arrot:

 

[kikid]

If Misty and dad are concealing something there is a reason, some shared complicity on some level altho in Misty's case I believe she would cover for dad just because she lacks the courage or strength to defy and turn him in. Of course she alone could be culpable on any number of levels, and be afraid to confess for the same reason--because she's afraid of dad. For dad to participate at all, I fell this entails his involvement or complicity, on some level. I just can not believe even he would first defend and then marry the person he knew was responsible on any level for his daughter's death. Unless he was indirectly responsible himself, like having left drugs w/in Haleigh's reach, some medical reason for which he bore at least an equal responsibility or having allowed or told Misty to leave the home for some reason that night, etc. I can't otherwise see a father being so quick to forgive any suspected wrongdoing on her part, and simply let "bygones be bygones." JMO

arrot:

after 12 yrs of marriage I can say without one doubt that if something happened to one of my children when they were in my husbands care... I probably would NOT be able to forgive him... UNLESS I knew that it was 100% not his fault and there was absolutely nothing he could have done to prevent it. Even then, I'd probably still not completely be able to let him off the hook and would harbor some feelings of anger towards him.

 

[kikid]

just as a follow up to my last post.

In addition to that anger towards my spouse, I'd feel endless guilt myself for not being there. I haven't heard Ron say anything remotely normal about.... "Why did I have to start working nights, if only this, or if only that". I think it is normal for a parent to self blame whenever there are accidents or incidents with their children.

 

[Dee10]

I know the screen door would spring back with a bang if not held. But even if someone knew that (a man) would he really need to prop the door open to carry Haleigh out? I know in the past my husband would carry in the kids & probably not have to have the door held open. I think you could go out and maybe maneuver your body side-ways which ever way the door opens and then hit your arm, elbow or leg, even one hand (Haleigh was reportedly on 39 lbs). I can't remember that far back, but based on groceries bags in each hand, I could use my hip, then leg, then toe to keep the door from slamming. However if you are a small/slight person carrying Haleigh, you may want to prop the door? If she did not prop the door, I think it was perhaps staged.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I know the screen door would spring back with a bang if not held. But even if someone knew that (a man) would he really need to prop the door open to carry Haleigh out? I know in the past my husband would carry in the kids & probably not have to have the door held open. I think you could go out and maybe maneuver your body side-ways which ever way the door opens and then hit your arm, elbow or leg, even one hand (Haleigh was reportedly on 39 lbs). I can't remember that far back, but based on groceries bags in each hand, I could use my hip, then leg, then toe to keep the door from slamming. However if you are a small/slight person carrying Haleigh, you may want to prop the door? If she did not prop the door, I think it was perhaps staged.

I guess in staging an "intruder" scenario purported to have occurred under one's nose, in the absence of forced entry, maybe the options are limited... I mean it couldn't be anything noisy, right? Trying to get in their heads here, there would need to be evidence of something amiss, but certainly no shattered glass, smashed or broken door frames, or other sounds impossible to sleep thru... More and more this seems like staging. To say you have no clue about cinderblocks on the property where you've lived for four or more months... and further specify it's the backyard (from where cinderblock was later said to have come) in particular to which you insist you've "never gone..." I dunno, all sound rather odd to me too. :waitasec: JMO

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[kiki the parrot]

Dee10 I've been meaning to welcome u (from an old six-month timer lol) but posted several times and kept forgetting (bad bird... rude bird, bird brain lol) Thanks for jumping in anyway and 4 your input on this thread!
arrot: