Theories on what may have happened to Benjaman Kyle

[snowme]

Voice4theSilent this is in response to you from the 50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #4 - Page 2- Post #88. Thought I'd bring it here as it relates to the theories topic.

This might sound stupid but if I lived in Colorado and wanted to see the ocean I would go west, not east. Makes me think he was either living somewhere other than CO. when he ended up in Georgia or was there for work, to meet someone, etc. (meaning the "to see the ocean" was secondary to whatever reason he was in or around Georgia.) Thoughts?

That does not sound stupid at all, to me. I would do the same. It makes me wonder if maybe Benjaman went to college in Denver (the timing and knowledge of the immediate area could fit somewhat with the timeframe he would have gone to school and perhaps started out in his chosen field) and then perhaps went back "home" to Indiana making it not so odd to go that far (as from CO) to be found on the east coast, if going to see the ocean.

 

[snowme]

That's great news on getting flyers up in those truck stops!!

I had not even thought that far .. PD not having checked with the truck stop... that just saddens me to the bone!

I have the go ahead to get a flyer to the truck stops (El Cheapo and TA) and they will post them. Better news-the staff has been there for at least 11 years, so they might have first hand knowlege.

I thought we had a flyer already made for our boy, but I cannot find one-if someone can whip one together I will send it out...otherwise I have BEGGED SieSie to try and put one together.

Interestingly enough, and I am not trying to get too excited, the "boss" of the El Cheapo indicated that it was a good assumption that the amnesia victim would have passed through the truck stop and gone to BK to eat...she was floored that PD didn't check in with them in 2004...

 

[snowme]

Welcome chaddylex! I think the same things all the time... why is no one (seemingly) looking for this man, a boss, a cousin, a brother, a mom or dad, a landlord, etc. It's just hard to comprehend. I hate the thought of it but it makes me wonder if something were to happen to me and I just vanished from those who know me, even vaguely, would they all just shrug their shoulders and say "I wonder what happened to her?" but go no further than that thought?! I know the world's a busier place than times past but geez it seems that so few, by comparison, take the time these days for their fellow man.

Well, that turned awfully bleak, didn't it?! :crazy:

Welcome again!!

Hi All,

I have been reading about this case for awhile now and even went into my breakroom here at work to watch BK on Dr. Phil 2 weeks ago. (this is my first post on this case). My question is, other than this guy probably having a family, what about a house (mortgage payments, other debts - like car payments etc not being paid) I just find this rather odd that he hasn't been recognized at all...... What about co workers wondering where he's been???? (I know that has been mentioned in the above posts, it's just is so bizarre!!)

Believe, you have been great at following leads on this case, anything new???

chaddylex

 

[carolwood]

sorry, i posted on the wrong thread:
I think Voice is right. Another thought I had: Bonnie (TS) Aug 12-14, hit fla and exited around New Jersey, Charlie (Hur) Aug 13- 14, hit fla. and exited around Mass. and Frances (Hur) Sept 5 - 9, hit fla. and exited around Penn. I live in louisiana. Charlie was a bad boy, and if you didn't leave, you wished you had. Now comes frances, cat 4 at one stage, I am thinking, get me out of here, I am not staying for another. Maybe BK had elderly family, maybe nursing home, maybe in there own home, he was trying to get out, before frances came in. Or maybe an insurance adjuster, I know here, we get insurance adjusters from everywhere, some just have to take a class, and they go to work. They are independent contractors, i think.
You can see the stats at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_At...l_Storm_Bonnie

 

[carolwood]

I think maybe we should contact some of the large insurance agencies HR departments and ask about this. They have to keep a paper trail, independent or not.

 

[carolwood]

I just talked to Wm. Stewarts' sister in law. Wm. has a swan tatoo on the ankle, so this is probably not BK, but she will visited the website to check everything out and try to get photos of Wm. up on the site.

 

[believe09]

I just talked to Wm. Stewarts' sister in law. Wm. has a swan tatoo on the ankle, so this is probably not BK, but she will visited the website to check everything out and try to get photos of Wm. up on the site.

Aside from what has been documented on our site, Mr. Kyle has no other scars or distinguishing marks.

 

[dreamweaver]

I just talked to Wm. Stewarts' sister in law. Wm. has a swan tatoo on the ankle, so this is probably not BK, but she will visited the website to check everything out and try to get photos of Wm. up on the site.

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I have not seen a picture of Wm Stewart yet.??
I know he is not
BK, but he could have his own info on the missing people..
Couldn't hurt.

 

[donnagirl1964]

If anyone has contacts with a legal secretary or legal assistant they can ask them to search court records for the past four years to see if anyone has been delcared dead without a body. Families would do this to cash in insurance policies, close out checking/savings accounts, settle up estates, etc. They would have to file a motion in court to begin the process and follow through with a hearing. A legal assistant would have access via the web to search records.

Also, in my younger days I was attacked by a motorcycle gang because they said my friends and I were on "their road" though it was public. This event has led me to research gangs to a great extent. If BK had a motorcycle and was riding it he could have been easily taken down by a motorcycle gang and had his bike stolen. Their MO is to intimidate people and leave them in the worst possible conditions as possible. Being found by the dumpster could indicate someone thought he was trash, also an MC 1% club thought. They've killed people for the simplest of reasons. The friends I was with that night were just about to be shot when the cops arrived after a good semaritan phone in the incident. The pistols were already loaded, cocked and about to shoot, for absolutely no reason. So research of any motorcycle events in and around the area he was found may bring some leads.

Also, if he was at a camping site he might have gone into the camp shower house and been accosted there. He would have not been dressed and would make an easy target. He would have left his wallet, keys and everything in the camper. He was heading toward the ocean and what better way than a camper. The aducters would have driven him away from the camp site so they could get the camper out before he could come to. Remember they didn't think he was going to have amnesia, so the further away he was the longer they had to secure the camper.

Also, everyone knows atleast one gay person, why not send the photo and stories to them and ask them to pass them around via email, it may be worth a shot. If anyone thinks he may have been gay.

A reason for no one finding him could mean they would have to pay back any insurance money they claimed once they had him legally declared dead. Or he may have caught his wife cheating and with him declared dead she got everything. The family may have sued someone for his untimely death and they received a large settlement, the list could go on and on.


My rambling thoughts.

 

[raeann]

Regarding the motorcycle angle...just up Highway 17 in the Myrtle Beach area there are large annual gatherings of motorcycle groups. I don't know the names or dates of these gatherings, but it should be easy enough to check with the S.C. tourism bureau or some such organization if someone wants to do this.

 

[clemsongrad]

I believe that the motorcycle week in Myrtle Beach is in May, but I will check on that. Also, Myrtle Beach is not that close to Savannah. Myrtle Beach is close to the NC line while Savannah is a lot closer to Hilton Head.

 

[raeann]

Another angle to check is that a Millionaires Casino boat was scheduled to have its maiden voyage out of Savannah around August 28th of 2004. It seems that the voyage was cut short due to a fire of some sort on board. Many of the articles about this listed on Google are no longer available. So, if someone more skilled at this than I am could check this out also, it seems like an interesting possibility. Maybe a reason why a family would not be looking for a "gambler" or would think that he was missing voluntarily.

This link is the only one where I got any good information to come up:
http://old.savannahnow.com/stories/082704/2402503.shtml

 

[dreamweaver]

Another angle to check is that a Millionaires Casino boat was scheduled to have its maiden voyage out of Savannah around August 28th of 2004. It seems that the voyage was cut short due to a fire of some sort on board. Many of the articles about this listed on Google are no longer available. So, if someone more skilled at this than I am could check this out also, it seems like an interesting possibility. Maybe a reason why a family would not be looking for a "gambler" or would think that he was missing voluntarily.

This link is the only one where I got any good information to come up:
http://old.savannahnow.com/stories/082704/2402503.shtml

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I found several news articles re: Millionaire's Casino boat. The owner is listed and company's phone number listed.
http://old.savannahnow.com/stories/052505/3056401.shtml

But, that business, Millionaire's Casino folded the next year. It looks like the business had many problems.
Follow up: Finding owner and asking him, if anyone went missing Aug. 2004?

 

[dreamweaver]

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Also, everyone knows atleast one gay person, why not send the photo and stories to them and ask them to pass them around via email, it may be worth a shot. If anyone thinks he may have been gay.

A reason for no one finding him could mean they would have to pay back any insurance money they claimed once they had him legally declared dead. Or he may have caught his wife cheating and with him declared dead she got everything. The family may have sued someone for his untimely death and they received a large settlement, the list could go on and on.
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In researching BK's story, I ran across a newsletter for gays in the Savannah area. I will search for that and post it. They may be willing to run BK's story as a general news piece.
I don't know if they would 'out' someone who had lost their memory. But if, and only if, BK is gay, then the information could be sent to the FBI agent in charge.
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re: insurance settlement: If someone is declared legally dead, what steps do LE or insurance companies do before any court proceeding takes place?
Do probate claims have to be submitted and filed with state as well?
First step: Check state databases in Ga., Co., and In.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Does BK know how to ride a motorcycle? Is he drawn towards casinos or gambling? :waitasec:

 

[donnagirl1964]

In regard to the boat theory, that could present a whole different set of circumstances: If it were in port at the time of the fire outbreak the laws of the United States would be in effect. However, if the boat was somewhere in international waters, which aren't far from shorelines, and a death is thought to have taken place, international laws may be in effect.

States differ in their required time frame (usually 4 to 7 years) in which a person can file for a missing person to be declared legally dead. However, if the reason for there disappearance is an event which the missing person was "exposed to a specific peril of death" - including suicide or murder - at the beginning of their absence. If so, the missing person could be declared legally dead before the waiting period. For instance, New York immediately issued death certificates for those missing from the Twin Towers.
When someone is missing and presumed dead, many other lives are affected. A declaration of death can be obtained in the courts - allowing, for example, for the deceased's spouse to remarry, or heirs to collect inheritances. If you own a home in joint tenancy with someone (who is missing) and you wanted to sell it, you would be stuck for that period," unless you could have them declared legally dead.

Only after a missing person is declared legally dead can a probate of the estate take place or insurance be collected.

 

[dreamweaver]

In regard to the boat theory, that could present a whole different set of circumstances: If it were in port at the time of the fire outbreak the laws of the United States would be in effect. However, if the boat was somewhere in international waters, which aren't far from shorelines, and a death is thought to have taken place, international laws may be in effect.

States differ in their required time frame (usually 4 to 7 years) in which a person can file for a missing person to be declared legally dead. However, if the reason for there disappearance is an event which the missing person was "exposed to a specific peril of death" - including suicide or murder - at the beginning of their absence. If so, the missing person could be declared legally dead before the waiting period. For instance, New York immediately issued death certificates for those missing from the Twin Towers.
When someone is missing and presumed dead, many other lives are affected. A declaration of death can be obtained in the courts - allowing, for example, for the deceased's spouse to remarry, or heirs to collect inheritances. If you own a home in joint tenancy with someone (who is missing) and you wanted to sell it, you would be stuck for that period," unless you could have them declared legally dead.

Only after a missing person is declared legally dead can a probate of the estate take place or insurance be collected.

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And adding to that, wouldn't the insurance companies have to have proof that LE was involved, that you filed a missing persons report, steps were taken to find him, etc.

 

[dreamweaver]

Does BK know how to ride a motorcycle? Is he drawn towards casinos or gambling? :waitasec:

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Is there an answer to this question?

 

[Waddles]

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Also, everyone knows atleast one gay person, why not send the photo and stories to them and ask them to pass them around via email, it may be worth a shot. If anyone thinks he may have been gay.

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My rambling thoughts.

Some really interesting and well thought ideas here. Just one thing though, sorry but I really don't think one would forget one was gay, people who lose their memory don't "forget" they're sexual preferences, it's what they are, right?

 

[Waddles]

Some really interesting and well thought ideas here. Just one thing though, sorry but I really don't think one would forget one was gay, people who lose their memory don't "forget" they're sexual preferences, it's what they are, right?

Oh, I read somewhere that this is maybe not so sure, and amnesia may even include sexual identity -I find that extremely astonishing - But he must know now, right?