'They Haven't Even Found Caylee's Clothes,' Anthony Says

[impatientredhead]

OMG is she implying she knows what Caylee was wearing when the she went missing?

May have already been stated, but if it was in the ten days she was out what major areas had already been searched?

The statement to me sounds like "these idiots aren't going to find anything, they didn't even find her clothes"...

Which would mean she knows the two are seperate and makes me think searchers have already been where the clothes were/are?

 

[Manny]

A healthy dose of skepticism is important in this whole ordeal. Consider Padilla.. he enters the picture convinced that KC is innocent.. then does a complete 180. Now he's dropping bombs when he pleases. As I stated earlier, I'm on the fence about him, but ya gotta take him with a grain of salt. One of the best reporters on this story, Kathy from WFTV, obviously thinks he's an empty (cowboy) suit.

:lol that term "empty suit" used to mean a mob lawyer.. does it still mean that?

 

[raines67]

Hi, I just joined last week but have been following this case as a guest since the beginning. I have wondered this sooo many times...so many times that it has drove me nuts. I have prayed as have others everynight for God to bring this baby home, but we have to remember that she is already home. She is in a far better place than all of us. Thinking about this helps me to keep my sanity. My mother died when I was 17 and I held her hand and counted her last breaths and when she died I couldn't believe how different she looked. Her soul had exited her body and went to a far better place. Our body is like our shell and our soul does move on to a better place so I know that finding her body would bring closure to everyone but for Caylee herself that is not her out their by herself somewhere she is up in heaven with my mother and I guarantee my mom is taking great care of her along with all the other angels in heaven. Neway, just wanted to say that. This is my first post so please be gentle!! LOL!

Aww, Welcome! I was holding my mom's hand too when she passed, just her and I, like when she gave birth to me. Love what you said, and I have too thought that my mom is taking care of Caylee.! :blowkiss:

 

[raines67]

Lemme add a little speculation myself to some points already posted...jus summarizing for convenience.

• Consider that Casey began the process of digging a hole in the backyard with intent to bury the body, but, after some effort the bagged body was placed in the shallow hole, and perhaps Casey began the process of covering it with loose dirt. At this point Casey observed the hole wasn't deep enough and aborted this burial location in favor of a disposal elsewhere, and returned the shovel. The bagged body was placed in the trunk and carried with it some loose dirt.
• Consider that Caylee's clothes weren't removed until after the first day of death had elapsed in hopes that if/when discovered the remains would be unidentifiable otherwise, in which case they may have already contained some early decomp fluid
• Consider the removed clothes were bagged and thrown in the trunk of the Pontiac with the intent to dispose of them.
• Consider the disposal of the body became an unanticipated and overwhelming problem for Casey, and disposing of the bag of clothes faded in comparison to this problem.
• Consider the flurry of calls 6/16PM was to support a planned "unable to find ZFG", and, "I tried to reach you" claim later, and the disappearance of Casey from the G&C's presence was necessitated by the presence of the body in the trunk or backyard which required dealing with prior to coming forward. This mode of delaying the inevitable confrontation with G&C became easier over time, even after the body had been disposed - ultimately stretching to 31 days and Cindy's forcing the issue.
• Consider, following the disposal of the body, the bag of clothing remained in the trunk until 6/27 when Casey investigates the source of the smell, discovers the bag and tosses it, subsequently commenting to Amy about getting rid of the source of the smell.
• Consider there may have been several bags of trash in the trunk of the Pontiac as at least one was discovered and submitted into evidence when the car was recovered on 7/15.
• Consider some bags of trash were discovered ~11/9 in a wooded area on Sunderson Rd in a "hole" created by some trees, with searchers commenting on the stench from many, many yards away, and causing them to run the other direction for relief...yet, no remains were not located with this trash. Recall that DNA testing may require several weeks to process.
• Consider the cell tower Casey pinged the morning of 6/27 @ 11:34AM commenting to Amy about getting rid of the smell IS ON Sunderson Road, albeit a slight detour, on her return trip toward Tony's - cut short @ Amscot that morning.
• Consider Casey did not intend to lose the Pontiac as she was taking actions to secure gas (see "the chase" post in 6/29-only ping thread, and Amy's statements about securing gas can 6/30 morning).

This all sounds very plausible:clap:

 

[Janis396]

Do you think, if you believe in God, that He would turn Caylee away from heaven because she hadn't received a 'proper burial'?
If you believe in God, do you not believe He has given her a place to rest in His arms?
I don't believe anyone here wants Caylee's body left out in the elements, but I do agree for Caylee it doesn't matter, which is what the post was about, no more harm can come to Caylee. A proper burial is for the benefit of those left behind, so they feel they have shown respect to the deceased, at least in my opinion.
Lanie

I wasn't even thinking of the God aspect when I wrote that. And no, I'm not religious.

I was coming from the aspect as if this had been my child that had been murdered. It would torment me forever knowing she was lost out in the elements never to be found and laid to rest. And knowing the things that could have been done to her out there, unprotected. Yes, I realize it's "just" her body, but it's the body that I would have held, rocked, hugged, kissed, and that body has the eyes that would have looked into mine that expressed her feelings to me. So no, I can't look at it as if it "just" a body, and it's not really HER. And I feel those same feelings about Caylee that I would if it were my own child. But I'm just speaking for me. I truly want Caylee found, no matter what else happens.

 

[BondJamesBond]

The press very quickly came out and said that is nothing more than animal remains. I guess it is possible that they were too quick to judge and there are tests going on right now, but when the Sunderson Road find was made it was immediately reported as being animal-related.

Not to drag this thread off-topic.

Here's the thread dedicated to that find: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74772
...so prolly best to have follow-up discussion there as-interested.

1) A WS (chesterp) was with that search team and confirmed the location in the thread via maps. Although chesterp was far enough away from the find that he couldn't quantify it, he was adamant about the strength and offensiveness of the smell. He was very kind to answer questions in this thread.

2) As is discussed on that thread there was something odd about the way this find was reported. IIRC, quick summary, TES rep. first stated something about how many times they are searching for one persons remains and find another (odd statement on many levels considering the stage it was made & the location of the find), Tim Miller was dispatched to the site. Eventually,
"forensic" people made statements dispositioning these as animal remains. I'm sure I recalled some details in error, but, this should provide the gist of it...somethin' odd to me about it.

Not trying to state that this is definitively the bag-o-clothes...just up for consideration. More important point for speculation was that the bag-o-clothes may have likely been the source of the strong lingering decomp smell that Casey could've ultimately identified and disposed of 6/27. For the sake of the post there were just too many coincidences regarding the content of Casey's texts that morning, the location (Suncerson) she made them from, and the identical location (Sunderson) of this recent find to ignore on the topic.

 

[angcoop]

I wasn't even thinking of the God aspect when I wrote that. And no, I'm not religious.

I was coming from the aspect as if this had been my child that had been murdered. It would torment me forever knowing she was lost out in the elements never to be found and laid to rest. And knowing the things that could have been done to her out there, unprotected. Yes, I realize it's "just" her body, but it's the body that I would have held, rocked, hugged, kissed, and that body has the eyes that would have looked into mine that expressed her feelings to me. So no, I can't look at it as if it "just" a body, and it's not really HER. And I feel those same feelings about Caylee that I would if it were my own child. But I'm just speaking for me. I truly want Caylee found, no matter what else happens.

I agree with what you are saying, and I felt and still feel the same way you do. I guess I hold onto the fact that she is not hurting anymore and is in heaven and that helps me cope. I know if this were my mikey out there I also woudl be going crazy and would want him found because like you said it is hard to imagine that lil angel in which you loved so much and cared for out in the cold somewhere, where you can no longer care for him and help him. It makes me sooo incredibly sad. This entire case has just messed me up. I cannot fathom what this so called mother did to this lil angel. From the first time I layed eyes on Caylee she grabbed ahold of my heart and hasn't let go and I too want Caylee found and still pray to God everynight that she is. Lastnight I cried soo hard while watching Nancy Grace when they said what Casey said about the clothing. I just couldn't believe how freakin heartless she is. She will be punished one way or another!!!!!

 

[Pegster57]

If Casey is saying that they "They
If the pants were left behind on purpose what does that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.

If the pants were left behind by accident what would that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.

I don't think the pants have to do with anything. I think they were part of her work charade. She left for "work" in her dressier work clothes and changed out of them after she left home. I think if she had clothes with body fluids on them, they would be long gone. jmo.

 

[Pegster57]

Did anyone see this http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21 Computer Forensics Report.pdf
That on the 12th June CA searched for a name being ZG !!!!

I bet she did. Thats who Casey said took her and she was trying to find contact information about this person. I'd have googled her, too.

 

[ibyoungr]

Did anyone see this http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21 Computer Forensics Report.pdf
That on the 12th June CA searched for a name being ZG !!!!

The report you reference above states that a search was performed on July 16th, 2008 for the name Zenaida.
" A keyword search for "Zenaida" revealed Web pages indicating that a user searched the internet for that name on July 16, 2008."

The report states that this search was performed on Cindy's computer. I do not find this at all unusual. If my daughter told me the night before she "lost" my grandaugter to a Zenaida then I guess I would do the same as Cindy and perform a web search as well. Can we say without a doubt that KC
performed this search on Cindy's pc?

I am not sticking up or saying KC is innocent... I am just not seeing that CA searched for the name on June 12th.

 

[kgeaux]

I was raised catholic. And truthfully if her short life was as sad as it appears it was, maybe laying out in the peacefulness of nature is just where she needs to be, I think alot of people (waho really when you boil it down are strangers to caylee)are geting a little overly melodramatic about it. The person that Caylee is/was lives on in the hearts of people who knew her.

I'll grant you that the last weeks of Caylee's life were probably sad and scary, but I think the majority of her life she was a beloved grandchild, doted on and spoiled by her grandparents.

Ick! I KNEW there was a reason I got a dog instead of an alligator. lol

Talk about! Did you see the pic. of the items found in an alligator's belly?



The link to the documents: Interesting read.

There is a photo of Caylee taken at 12PM (noon) Sunday, June 15th......Father's Day. The NEXT day, Casey is doing an internet search for Zenaida.

The only reason to search for Zenaida is so Caylee can explain Caylee's absence. (Or at least that's all I can think of right this second.)

On the 22nd, she chats with Mark H. telling him Caylee is HUGE, really growing, how surprised he'll be to see her.....

but by then, surely Caylee was gone?

 

[Lanie]

I wasn't even thinking of the God aspect when I wrote that. And no, I'm not religious.

I was coming from the aspect as if this had been my child that had been murdered. It would torment me forever knowing she was lost out in the elements never to be found and laid to rest. And knowing the things that could have been done to her out there, unprotected. Yes, I realize it's "just" her body, but it's the body that I would have held, rocked, hugged, kissed, and that body has the eyes that would have looked into mine that expressed her feelings to me. So no, I can't look at it as if it "just" a body, and it's not really HER. And I feel those same feelings about Caylee that I would if it were my own child. But I'm just speaking for me. I truly want Caylee found, no matter what else happens.

I'm not the author of the original post, but I feel exactly the same way he/she does.
I understand what you are saying, but where in either of your posts do you address further harm to CAYLEE if she is not given a proper burial?
You will get no argument from me on how I would feel about my murdered child having a proper burial, but again, not what the original post was saying. I have refrained from making this same post over and over throughout this case, because I felt this is where it would go, and it did. Because I too feel it makes no difference to CAYLEE if she is given a proper burial or not does not mean I don't care if she is found, does not mean I would not have a problem if my child was presumed dead and I was not able to give her a proper funeral, etc ad naseum.
I do want Caylee found, and it does bother me to think about her in the circumstances she is in right now, because I don't believe for one moment Casey could be troubled to even dig a shallow grave, but no, I do not believe for one minute it matters to Caylee. I also think, JMO, it is way more important the person responsible for Caylee's death, whom I firmly believe is Casey, is put away and never allowed to do to another child, or anyone else for that matter, what she has already done to her daughter.
Lanie

 

[kgeaux]

I was raised catholic. And truthfully if her short life was as sad as it appears it was, maybe laying out in the peacefulness of nature is just where she needs to be, I think alot of people (waho really when you boil it down are strangers to caylee)are geting a little overly melodramatic about it. The person that Caylee is/was lives on in the hearts of people who knew her.

I'll grant you that the last weeks of Caylee's life were probably sad and scary, but I think the majority of her life she was a beloved grandchild, doted on and spoiled by her grandparents.

Ick! I KNEW there was a reason I got a dog instead of an alligator. lol

Talk about! Did you see the pic. of the items found in an alligator's belly?



The link to the documents: Interesting read.

There is a photo of Caylee taken at 12PM (noon) Sunday, June 15th......Father's Day. The NEXT day, Casey is doing an internet search for Zenaida.

The only reason to search for Zenaida is so Caylee can explain Caylee's absence. (Or at least that's all I can think of right this second.)(Assuming the search is by Casey) If the search is by Cindy, then we know Cindy was trying to find Zani, either to have a means of contact, to verify her existance or to try to see if Casey was lying to her.



On the 22nd, she chats with Mark H. telling him Caylee is HUGE, really growing, how surprised he'll be to see her.....

but by then, surely Caylee was gone?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It seems by the perps statement that the clothes are in a different place than the body.
Why would she have taken her clothes off of her....?? ........or has been discussed already?

This sounds like something right out of the defense handbook as a strategy defending the perp's statement:

I think the statement IS being taken out of context. It's important to understand Casey's background to understand this statement. If you work at any amusement park in Orlando, in a kidnapping situation (where all the employees are looking for a possibly kidnapped child), they tell you to not expect the child to be wearing the same clothes or looking like they did BEFORE being taken. Generally, the kidnappers will not change the shoes and that is what employees are told to look for when a child goes missing. I am certain Casey would have been in one of those security briefings when she worked at Universal Studios. She was implying that Caylee was kidnapped and her clothes were changed somewhere by the kidnapper. I'm not saying I believe her, I'm just saying she took information she knew from when she worked at Universal Studios and interjected this comment to indicate that Caylee was kidnapped. In a true kidnapping clothes would be found in a restroom or wherever the kidnappers had been.

After reading this it was a light bulb moment for me. Of course, the clothes she planted at Universal and why she took LE there to begin with! She thought they would start looking at Universal and talk to security who record found items. She planted the clothes to look like a kidnapping near the office building where they were sitting during that interview (she mentioned to Lee going back there in the jail house call?), imo. She told them it was why she wanted them to be there and told them to talk to security if you listen to the interview...in her backwards kind of way. It is the perfect scenario to fit in the Z story that she lined up for them. A real treasure hunt they did not follow up on much to her dismay!

(Hopefully, this will get us back on topic here, too!!)

 

[rozey]

There is a photo of Caylee taken at 12PM (noon) Sunday, June 15th......Father's Day. The NEXT day, Casey is doing an internet search for Zenaida.

The only reason to search for Zenaida is so Caylee can explain Caylee's absence. (Or at least that's all I can think of right this second.)

On the 22nd, she chats with Mark H. telling him Caylee is HUGE, really growing, how surprised he'll be to see her.....

but by then, surely Caylee was gone?

As posted by ibyoungr, the ZG search was JULY 16th.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

After reading this it was a light bulb moment for me. Of course, the clothes she planted at Universal and why she took LE there to begin with! She thought they would start looking at Universal and talk to security who record found items. She planted the clothes to look like a kidnapping near the office building where they were sitting during that interview, imo. She told them it was why she wanted them to be there and told them to talk to security if you listen to the interview...in her backwards kind of way. It is the perfect scenario to fit in the Z story that she lined up for them. A real treasure hunt they did not follow up on much to her dismay!

Yes, I think that is a very good possibilty. Did the cell phone pings place her in that area?

 

[rozey]

This sounds like something right out of the defense handbook as a strategy defending the perp's statement:


After reading this it was a light bulb moment for me. Of course, the clothes she planted at Universal and why she took LE there to begin with! She thought they would start looking at Universal and talk to security who record found items. She planted the clothes to look like a kidnapping near the office building where they were sitting during that interview, imo. She told them it was why she wanted them to be there and told them to talk to security if you listen to the interview...in her backwards kind of way. It is the perfect scenario to fit in the Z story that she lined up for them. A real treasure hunt they did not follow up on much to her dismay!

(Hopefully, this will get us back on topic here, too!!)

ITA. I think she also cut her hair so when she was found she could say, 'SEE', the kidnappers did it. IMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I think that is a very good possibilty. Did the cell phone pings place her in that area?

I haven't checked that out yet. Good idea to look tho!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

ITA. I think she also cut her hair so when she was found she could say, 'SEE', the kidnappers did it. IMO

I don't see her going that far. She isn't really leading them to the body, but leading them into the Z kidnap scenario.

 

[rozey]

I don't see her going that far. She isn't really leading them to the body, but leading them into the Z kidnap scenario.

The reason I brought it up is because she mentions it in her interview with LE when they were at Universal.