'They Haven't Even Found Caylee's Clothes,' Anthony Says

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah, of course that is what the defense will counter with! I am pulling the BS handle on that one!!

 

[Whisperer]

That makes sense, Princess Rose. Thank You

 

[LI_Mom]

I don't believe it was an accident and never have. I believe it was exactly what LE, the GJ, and the State say it was: Premeditated Murder One.

The perp planned it and carried it out with a vengence. She had no concern for pain, for torture, or for how she ridded herself of this poor child. Her only concern was twofold: Herself and her rage. Her only true statement is the one where she called herself, "A spiteful B*tch", imo.

You know, we were ALL teenagers/young adults & rebelled against our parents rules but Casey really IS torturing her family.

She's like some deadly parasite that feeds off its host & then either dies or is forced to find a new host. I sure wouldn't want to be her cell mate when she's put away.

Spiteful doesn't even begin to describe this waste of oxygen.

 

[GreenEyes727]

I think the statement IS being taken out of context. It's important to understand Casey's background to understand this statement. If you work at any amusement park in Orlando, in a kidnapping situation (where all the employees are looking for a possibly kidnapped child), they tell you to not expect the child to be wearing the same clothes or looking like they did BEFORE being taken. Generally, the kidnappers will not change the shoes and that is what employees are told to look for when a child goes missing. I am certain Casey would have been in one of those security briefings when she worked at Universal Studios. She was implying that Caylee was kidnapped and her clothes were changed somewhere by the kidnapper. I'm not saying I believe her, I'm just saying she took information she knew from when she worked at Universal Studios and interjected this comment to indicate that Caylee was kidnapped. In a true kidnapping clothes would be found in a restroom or wherever the kidnappers had been.

That's what I was thinking too - that she could have meant that they didn't find clothes, which are sometimes found in crime scenes but not that she was slipping up by telling something of what happened.

 

[charo]

Premeditated murder for sure- looking for chlorform way back, missing children websites, cant even think of what else right now she did beforehand- shes sure a piece of work

 

[Oakley]

I remember hearing maybe on NG that mothers who kill their children often dispose of them naked. I also heard on a crime show not too long ago that killers always bring something to the crime scene and always take something with them. Trouble is the crime scene was already 31 days old by the time LE had gotten to it. I think this statement from KC sounds like over confidence to me..Hope she's made alot more statements like this...

(My bolding)

Yes, overly confident and even mocking toward LE. I wonder if she (or someone she has knowledge of) burned the clothes....

 

[Oakley]

If she burned them, why would she comment on not finding them? She would already know they weren't going to find them.

Good point SS ... I was thinking maybe she burned them too. Could it be she knew they wouldn't find them and was saying it in a taunting way (if that makes sense?) Or as someone else pointed out, she might have been fishing for information from the FBH.

 

[Oakley]

To confuse. I think she is saying that they can't find the clothes, let alone the body.

Yes! You put into words what I was thinking.

 

[Oakley]

Perhaps the clothes Caylee was wearing were buried in the back yard and that's what the dogs hit on. Said clothing could even have been found prior to the police search, laundered and put away - hence nothing of Caylee's is missing.

Just an opinion of a possibility.

Or found in the car and laundered along with KC's slacks because they too smelled like the car?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by Gaia713
To confuse. I think she is saying that they can't find the clothes, let alone the body.

I think that is what she was saying, too. Not to confuse tho...but to gloat at how stupid she thinks they are.

Now that I think about it...she probably left them in the restroom at Universal and maybe why she took them (LE) there! Duh! (Thanks for that tip!) Think about it for a minute. Is is possible? She even said to Yuri and JA that she was taking them places she knew they "could" be.

Originally Posted by Princess Rose
If you work at any amusement park in Orlando, in a kidnapping situation (where all the employees are looking for a possibly kidnapped child), they tell you to not expect the child to be wearing the same clothes or looking like they did BEFORE being taken. Generally, the kidnappers will not change the shoes and that is what employees are told to look for when a child goes missing. I am certain Casey would have been in one of those security briefings when she worked at Universal Studios. She was implying that Caylee was kidnapped and her clothes were changed somewhere by the kidnapper.

 

[technicalconfusion]

Apparently we had a thread about whether or not alligators will eat decomposing human flesh. I read the thread, and I still don't know the answer!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68867

My take on the alligator eating decomposing flesh vs fresh is this: I think years ago this might have been true. But with civilization taking over everything, I think gators have adapted, and will eat anything, even though they may prefer a live kill as it were. Out in the wild, with no humans, it may very well be their habit to only eat live, eating dead if they're really really hungry.

 

[Oakley]

She wanted Caylee out of her life. I'm not thinking a true kidnapping, I'm thinking Casy set it up with someone to get Caylee out of the country.

Who do you think was dead and decomposing in KC's trunk?

 

[Oakley]

Casey left an unorganized crime scene....the car. Kc's clothes were in the car. Maybe she did wear those slacks when she murdered Caylee? But where is the blouse she wore,... Cindy, did you wash that too. I suspect you did :waitasec:

She changed her clothes on the way to TonE's on the 16th, between 4:30 and 7:30, tossing her grey slacks, blouse, shoes, etc. in the backseat, not wanting to deal with Caylee at the time. She pretty much did not want to deal with the car at all and was borrowing other cars and making up excuses lilke running out of gas...

The baby doll (unclothed also) causes me concern. I want to know what CA did with Caylee's backpack. I suspect there were clothes in that backpack. CA washed them or disposed of them. CA had no good reason to wash anything in a crime scene. She also washed the knife. My senses tell me that the car was a total mess and was gone thru with a fine tooth comb by CA.

NO NORMAL PERSON would wash smell of death clothes and put them away in their home....Dear God. A Normal person would have put them in the garbage, but CA was afraid they were seen by the towing co., so she took care of possible evidence by washing it, just in case that tow truck guy remembered seeing them.

But the towing co. never inventoried the car..and after the A's figured that out, they went thru backpacks, paperwork and clothing, if any in the packs....never turning that info over to LE. Ca found Amy in some paperwork, as I recall.

Since the bag with decomp was in the car in the tow yard, perhaps the body was still in the car, wrapped tightly and placed in the wheel well. Maybe the A's hid the body, after the fact. Maybe GA did not go to work (like they say) but in fact left and hid the evidence. That can be figured out by his time card, if he had one....but still doesn't prevent him from hiding the body on the way. Who could go to work that day? No NORMAL person would go to work when there Grandchild is missing and car smells of death.

I would like to think kc was al least kind to her after death. But folks, lets be realistic here. She didn't even give her the baby doll which Caylee loved.....heartless wench!

I am simply brainstorming here, but removing clothes is telling. KC is saying someone hid clothes, there was decomp on the bag in the car. I am have to think she was going to go back to that car and finish but it got intercepted. When I saw "Babydoll" there unclothed, I thought it odd. Everyone who knew Caylee also knew she took her doll with her ............ always. It appears to be a direct message by kc or a mistake that she was going to fix later.

She is macabre...think "Dexter". :furious:

(bold by me)

Well KC did tell YM in the beginning she didn't know where Caylee was. She swore that was the truth. Maybe it was.

 

[shadow of my mind]

If Casey is saying that they "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing."

Possible interpretation:

There are clothes of Caylee’s left someplace that should have been found and could be very easily identified as Caylee’s.

Which would mean:

That Casey placed those clothes so they could be found to help support her story of Caylee being kidnapped. [Common MO for kidnappers to remove known recognizable clothing behind]

Cindy states that the only thing of Caylee’s was what was left in car. Her backpack that George had seen her with the morning of June 16 with a couple of diapers, her toothbrush, a couple of hair things and I think some wipes. The backpack that Casey had was at Tony’s. “Which is unusual because their backpacks are usually full”
Page 2078 Lines 18-24 &Page 2079 Lines 1-2 Cindy A. Interview with LE 8/4/2008 http://flawebhosting.net/docdump1106... anthony.pdf

I think that Casey may have made that comment to say that LE is incompetent but it says that she knows for a fact that Caylee’s clothes are in one location and Caylee is in another location. For Casey to know that then Casey knows where Caylee is and also knows that she was not kidnapped.

It would be nice to know what was on TV as far as searching at the time this comment was made. It would help in determining if it was a ‘general’ comment as to no sign of Caylee has been found or if it was more specific to an area that was actively being searched at the time.
That could then help in determining if a location that was being looked at was correct and something just had not been found yet.
[Is there any way to figure out what the dates where that the Female Bounty Hunter was staying at the house and then find all of the media clips to see what could have been the one that Casey commented on? Huge job but it could prove to be helpful]

This also brings attention these comments:

Cindy says Caylee’s backpack is empty which is not normal.
Cindy also says that nothing of Caylee’s is missing. [Sorry. This comment was made on a media interview and I just can’t figure out which one it was]
These two statements do not mesh. If ‘nothing is missing’ of Caylee’s then why the comment about an empty backpack that is normally full.

George, after a visit to Casey in jail told media that Casey told him that Caylee was ‘close’ [Again other media clip with George coming out of the jail but I can not find it]
What does this comment by Casey to George mean? Was it to get everyone looking in places close to the area she claims Caylee was taken from so clothes would be found?

It also brings up the question

If Caylee’s clothes were planted so they could be found where would that be?

Why would Casey assume that any clothes of Caylee’s if found would be recognized as absolutely Caylee’s?

Does that also mean that Casey knew her father had a very good memory and would be able to give a detailed account of what Caylee and Casey were wearing and was counting on that fact, leaving her clothes someplace to be found, knowing then it would match what had been described.

Does counting on GA having a good memory have anything to do with the fact that Casey left her pants, which also match what George said Casey was wearing on June 16th, in the car to be found or was that an oversight on Casey’s part.

If the pants were left behind on purpose what does that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.

If the pants were left behind by accident what would that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.



Just trying to use critical thinking, without allowing any emotion, to determine what if anything this comment tells may tell us that could help in finding Caylee.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

When they were doing the interview at Universal, she remarked about how "they" (meaning ZG and Caylee) could have been there and she also brought up more than once talking to the security people. Did she intend on them looking for Caylee starting at the park and hid them near where that office was?! Maybe she was counting on security to have found the clothes and kept them thinking it would gel with them being so cautious as to kidnappings in the park.

 

[Oakley]

If Casey is saying that they "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing."

Possible interpretation:

There are clothes of Caylee’s left someplace that should have been found and could be very easily identified as Caylee’s.

Which would mean:

That Casey placed those clothes so they could be found to help support her story of Caylee being kidnapped. [Common MO for kidnappers to remove known recognizable clothing behind]

Cindy states that the only thing of Caylee’s was what was left in car. Her backpack that George had seen her with the morning of June 16 with a couple of diapers, her toothbrush, a couple of hair things and I think some wipes. The backpack that Casey had was at Tony’s. “Which is unusual because their backpacks are usually full”
Page 2078 Lines 18-24 &Page 2079 Lines 1-2 Cindy A. Interview with LE 8/4/2008 http://flawebhosting.net/docdump1106... anthony.pdf

I think that Casey may have made that comment to say that LE is incompetent but it says that she knows for a fact that Caylee’s clothes are in one location and Caylee is in another location. For Casey to know that then Casey knows where Caylee is and also knows that she was not kidnapped.

It would be nice to know what was on TV as far as searching at the time this comment was made. It would help in determining if it was a ‘general’ comment as to no sign of Caylee has been found or if it was more specific to an area that was actively being searched at the time.
That could then help in determining if a location that was being looked at was correct and something just had not been found yet.
[Is there any way to figure out what the dates where that the Female Bounty Hunter was staying at the house and then find all of the media clips to see what could have been the one that Casey commented on? Huge job but it could prove to be helpful]

This also brings attention these comments:

Cindy says Caylee’s backpack is empty which is not normal.
Cindy also says that nothing of Caylee’s is missing. [Sorry. This comment was made on a media interview and I just can’t figure out which one it was]
These two statements do not mesh. If ‘nothing is missing’ of Caylee’s then why the comment about an empty backpack that is normally full.

George, after a visit to Casey in jail told media that Casey told him that Caylee was ‘close’ [Again other media clip with George coming out of the jail but I can not find it]
What does this comment by Casey to George mean? Was it to get everyone looking in places close to the area she claims Caylee was taken from so clothes would be found?

It also brings up the question

If Caylee’s clothes were planted so they could be found where would that be?

Why would Casey assume that any clothes of Caylee’s if found would be recognized as absolutely Caylee’s?

Does that also mean that Casey knew her father had a very good memory and would be able to give a detailed account of what Caylee and Casey were wearing and was counting on that fact, leaving her clothes someplace to be found, knowing then it would match what had been described.

Does counting on GA having a good memory have anything to do with the fact that Casey left her pants, which also match what George said Casey was wearing on June 16th, in the car to be found or was that an oversight on Casey’s part.

If the pants were left behind on purpose what does that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.

If the pants were left behind by accident what would that tell us that would be helpful as another clue.



Just trying to use critical thinking, without allowing any emotion, to determine what if anything this comment tells may tell us that could help in finding Caylee.

Great post. Those grey pinstriped pants have bothered me for awhile. If the pants were left behind on purpose, that might mean that the A's were in collusion and planned what they would say beforehand.

If the pants were left behind by accident, that might mean GA really does have a phenomenal memory (which I somehow find hard to believe) and since the grey slacks reeked of decomp (per CA saying they smelled like the car) they played a role in whatever contibuted to Caylee's demise.

It's very late - Maybe I'm just tired....

 

[spydog]

Great ideas here. I also think that she meant "I can't believe they haven't even found those yet." So it makes me also think that they could be in the backyard (or were at some point). People have mentioned how she couldn't have dug a grave in her backyard to bury Caylee in the short amount of time she had the shovel, but she could have had enough time just to bury some clothes. Maybe the clothes were put down on the grass/ground here and there as she was looking for a place to dig, therefore the dogs hitting on areas where the clothes might have been above ground, but missed them if they are buried deeper.

 

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped and responses added in green

If Casey is saying that they "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing."

Possible interpretation:

There are clothes of Caylee’s left someplace that should have been found and could be very easily identified as Caylee’s.

Which would mean:

That Casey placed those clothes so they could be found to help support her story of Caylee being kidnapped. [Common MO for kidnappers to remove known recognizable clothing behind]

It would be nice to know what was on TV as far as searching at the time this comment was made. It would help in determining if it was a ‘general’ comment as to no sign of Caylee has been found or if it was more specific to an area that was actively being searched at the time. KC was bonded out of jail 8/21/08 at 10:00 a.m. (http://investigation.discovery.com/...erage/timeline/aug26-sept02/aug26-sept02.html). She was rearrested on 8/29/08. So about 8 full days.

This also brings attention these comments:

Cindy says Caylee’s backpack is empty which is not normal.
Cindy also says that nothing of Caylee’s is missing.
These two statements do not mesh. If ‘nothing is missing’ of Caylee’s then why the comment about an empty backpack that is normally full. Not if KC returned Caylee's things to the house.

George, after a visit to Casey in jail told media that Casey told him that Caylee was ‘close’ I don't believe KC was telling the truth. KC lies to her parents on a consistent and constant basis. I don't believe KC would tell her dad the truth at that point in time. She knew she was in trouble and telling her parents what happened would only make it worse for her. Her mother might do another "cameo" on tv.
What does this comment by Casey to George mean? Nothing. She wanted to get on dad's good side.

It also brings up the question

If Caylee’s clothes were planted so they could be found where would that be? Back home in Caylee's things. It is the most obvious place. No one would look there. The only person really that would know at this point is Cindy and Cindy is not going to admit it now. She might have in the beginning. And in the beginning, Cindy said "nothing of Caylee's was missing." I wonder if LE asked GA if he ever saw the clothes Caylee wearing that day again?

Why would Casey assume that any clothes of Caylee’s if found would be recognized as absolutely Caylee’s? I don't know. I don't think she was giving this much thought.

Does that also mean that Casey knew her father had a very good memory and would be able to give a detailed account of what Caylee and Casey were wearing and was counting on that fact, leaving her clothes someplace to be found, knowing then it would match what had been described. In GA's LE interviews it is evident that GA does have a good memory and is very observant about normal, everyday things such as time, what everyone is wearing, etc. unless GA had rehearsed all of those things before he went to LE. I don't mean this negatively, I'm just thinking maybe GA sat down and went over everything he could remember before he went to LE.

Does counting on GA having a good memory have anything to do with the fact that Casey left her pants, which also match what George said Casey was wearing on June 16th, in the car to be found or was that an oversight on Casey’s part.

If the pants were left behind on purpose what does that tell us that would be helpful as another clue. This is an interesting thought. Didn't KC refer to the jogger that was attacked in Blanchard Park? It could very well be, given that she also left a purse in the car, that she was hoping the car would be stolen and everyone would think she and Caylee were abducted.

If the pants were left behind by accident what would that tell us that would be helpful as another clue. Or it could be that the pants were smelly and she did not dare to take them with her.

Nice post, Shadow! KC's mind works stangely in my opinion. She is one of those people I can't quite figure out. Either she really isn't very smart and her actions are based on emotion and reaction, or she really is very clever and diabolical. Tonight I am moving toward the thought that she is a little of both. I do not think she is lazy. She has plenty of energy when it suits her. Having to dispose of Caylee would "suit her" so I don't think she would be lazy about that. However, KC has shown on numerous occasions with her family that she also works from emotion and manipulation of others' emotion. I think her comment to her dad about Caylee being close was to manipulate his emotions, consistent with the comment that "mom would understand my feeling that Caylee is fine." That was said to manipulate mom so mom would say what a fine mother KC is. After that, the comments were just empty words.

The link I posted about the dates includes links to news media. I'll go back and take another look to see if anything interesting pops up.

Salem

 

[shadow of my mind]

When they were doing the interview at Universal, she remarked about how "they" (meaning ZG and Caylee) could have been there and she also brought up more than once talking to the security people. Did she intend on them looking for Caylee starting at the park and hid them near where that office was?! Maybe she was counting on security to have found the clothes and kept them thinking it would gel with them being so cautious as to kidnappings in the park.

That is a good thought. Casey might have thought that OCSO may have sounded the alarm to Disney and they would have reliazed that they had already 'found' what she left there but what would have been the transition to have Casey leaving Zanny at the Sawgrass apartments with Caylee to Zanny having Calyee at Universal Park. It would have made more sense if Casey had claimed that Zanny told her she was taking Caylee to Universal Park, then never returning with her and then security finding Caylee's clothes at the park to lend support to the whole kidnapping story. Couldld it be that LE was suppost to find somthing out that would have pointed to Universal so they could discover a trail that would make it look like this ZG did exist and both her and Caylee vanished and for some reason that 'something' was never found.
Oh this makes me brain turn to nothing but mush.

That also makes me wonder about Cindy telling LE that she went to the park on July 3rd to get Caylee since that is where she claims Casey said that Caylee was with the nanny. There is something that is bugging me about Cindy's comment on going to the park on that day. I'm am still going over Cindy's two interview statments and pulling out what she says Casey told her and other information that she said in her interview. Something that Cindy said at the bond hearing is not jiving with Cindy going to Universal to get Caylee on July 3rd date that she said in her interview. It is stuck in the back of my mind but I can't put my finger on it. [Brain is to mushy, so it keeps moving around lol] Something with the dates of who was were when so why would she have gone there to get Caylee on that day.

I am not close to being done with the transcirpts ... so I will wait until I get finished to say anything.

 

[LinasK]

I'm sure Casey will try to explain away all her ABSURD statements but taken together, I think the hole she dug for herself is just TOO DEEP for a jury to have ANY DOUBT.

At this point, I think the ONLY thing that can possibly save Casey is a "live Caylee."



I also think LP should stop searching & should devote his passions to deserving family. The very thought of returning this poor innocent baby's remains to this 'Casey Is a Hero' family makes me angry enough to spit nails.

Caylee can never rest in peace with a headstone that says

Caylee: beloved daughter of Casey Anthony. It would be beyond cruel to even allow something like that to ever happen!

I'm not sure even George or Cindy would be granted the remains (they may face obstruction/aiding and abetting type charges/accesory to a crime)... the great-grandparents perhaps.

I too also thought this statement came from Cindy at first, so I put Casey in the thread tags for clarity.