Three children and two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of an 80-year-old man. Leicestershire, UK.

[Kittybunny]

Lots of major crimes being committed by minors in the UK recently. Not sure about other countries but I wonder if the result of growing up in lockdown periods is beginning to manifest. This is awful stuff.

Definitely in the US…I was surprised to read of this happening in the UK, as I thought it was a uniquely American thing for younger and younger people to be committing crimes so violent.

 

[Tortoise]

If it is as a result of lockdowns, could it be related to activities like youth clubs (drama, scouts, learning musical instruments, dance etc) and sports, especially team sports, were not available for them to join? I know the others have been released but I doubt this was a single child alone and initially involved in the harrasment, it seems they were all together and were said to have fled. They would have been aged 8 to 10 in 2020 and possibly by 12 and 14 it's harder to start those kinds of things. I do think these kinds of group and team activities help develop a respect for social rules and self-esteem, which is part and parcel of healthier development. Perhaps they were neglected though, and weren't from families who would have been into that in the first place, IDK.

 

[Skigh]

If it is as a result of lockdowns, could it be related to activities like youth clubs (drama, scouts, learning musical instruments, dance etc) and sports, especially team sports, were not available for them to join? I know the others have been released but I doubt this was a single child alone and initially involved in the harrasment, it seems they were all together and were said to have fled. They would have been aged 8 to 10 in 2020 and possibly by 12 and 14 it's harder to start those kinds of things. I do think these kinds of group and team activities help develop a respect for social rules and self-esteem, which is part and parcel of healthier development. Perhaps they were neglected though, and weren't from families who would have been into that in the first place, IDK.

I personally think it has very little to do with lockdown . I think it has more to do with a total lack of consequences for poor behaviour both at home and in school.

 

[Tealgrove]

Could this be a hate crime?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I believe social media has something to do with it. I think they are seeing so many examples of assault, violence, arson, disrespect, etc. on their devices all day that their view of reality and behavior is very different from previous generations.

I was watching Youtube Shorts (where short videos come up at random one after the other) recently and could not believe the absolute garbage that had many "Thumbs up" and was making its way to the top of the algorithm.

Society in general has no standards anymore for media, and teens are exposed to hours of it a day. Are we shocked they are acting it out?
MOO.

 

[Skigh]

Could this be a hate crime?

I think that the children could have been reacting to being called out on their anti social behaviour and choosing insults based on appearance rather than their prime motive being racial hatred.

 

[Sarahlou]

I personally think it has very little to do with lockdown . I think it has more to do with a total lack of consequences for poor behaviour both at home and in school.

I don't think lockdown has anything to do with it. I think it's a mixture of things. Awful home life, no discipline, the horrid content kids are exposed to from a young age these days. Plus personality disorders/mental health in some cases.

 

[Tortoise]

I personally think it has very little to do with lockdown . I think it has more to do with a total lack of consequences for poor behaviour both at home and in school.

True. But I wonder why we are seemingly seeing a new trend emerging at this point in time.

 

[Skigh]

I don't think lockdown has anyrhing to do with it. I think it's a mixture of things. Awful home life, the horrid content kids are exposed to from a young age these days. Plus personality disorders/mental health in some cases.

I think that mental health is used far too often nowadays to excuse had behaviour.

 

[Sarahlou]

I think that mental health is used far too often nowadays to excuse had behaviour.

I agree but it is definitely a factor is some cases. I'm not saying I think it is in this case at all though.

 

[Skigh]

True. But I wonder why we are seemingly seeing a new trend emerging at this point in time.

I agree .I am not sure of the reason why. I know staff in primary schools have said behaviour is getting much worse even from reception age children

 

[scapa]

I think that the children could have been reacting to being called out on their anti social behaviour and choosing insults based on appearance rather than their prime motive being racial hatred.

Good point, though several articles in MSM have been pretty specific about racist insults and actions as central to the attack(s), and we're weeks removed from the riots and racist "protests" that followed Southport, stoked by social media across several of the platforms these youth might follow (and by decades of the politics of tabloid media, including The DM).

Given what we've read about the activities of this group of youths and kids leading up to the murder, I wonder if see some additional lower charges relating to antisocial behaviour brought against those released.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't think lockdown has anything to do with it. I think it's a mixture of things. Awful home life, no discipline, the horrid content kids are exposed to from a young age these days. Plus personality disorders/mental health in some cases.

Years before lockdown, I got into the habit of avoiding the local park mid afternoons on weekdays. The park is very nice, not rundown, not a bad reputation at all, but mid afternoon is when school lets out and every once in awhile, there are spikes in muggings, pick-pocketing, harassment, general rowdiness in the hours between school dismissal and parents coming home from work. Once caught, the trouble dies down...until another batch of kids start again.

The neighborhood kids acting bad are not violent like kicking someone to death (knock on wood), but I want to calm frayed nerves that lockdown isn't the blame for everything. Teens need some structure in their lives BEFORE they get to be tweens so they don't get caught up in the crowd mentality - it's an age when they are easily influenced by peers. And these days, the influences are worse and more easily found and can play in a kid's head literally 24/7 via a screen. A thumbs up on a video is a rush for anyone, teens included - so they will produce stuff that gets attention.

(I know this man in this case was killed on a Sunday, not weekday.)

Just my two cents, worth less than that because who uses pennies these days?

jmo

 

[Skigh]

Tributes for grandfather, 80, 'kicked to death yards from front door'

Bhim Sen Kohli (pictured) had been walking dog Rocky on Sunday evening at Franklin Park, Leicester when he was allegedly kicked in the neck and back by a group of children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Leicestershire Police today were also given more time to question a schoolboy, 14, who had been arrested on suspicion of his murder.

Mr Kohli's heartbroken family today said: 'Bhim was a loving husband, dad and grandad. He was also a son, brother and uncle. He adored his grandkids with all his heart and loved spending time with them. He really was such a loving, caring person whose life was centred around his family.

 

[PrairieWind]

Tributes for grandfather, 80, 'kicked to death yards from front door'

Bhim Sen Kohli (pictured) had been walking dog Rocky on Sunday evening at Franklin Park, Leicester when he was allegedly kicked in the neck and back by a group of children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Leicestershire Police today were also given more time to question a schoolboy, 14, who had been arrested on suspicion of his murder.

Mr Kohli's heartbroken family today said: 'Bhim was a loving husband, dad and grandad. He was also a son, brother and uncle. He adored his grandkids with all his heart and loved spending time with them. He really was such a loving, caring person whose life was centred around his family.

I wonder if this means that this boy is not cooperating and not answering questions.

 

[Sarahlou]

The 14 year old boy has been charged with murder

Boy, 14, charged with murder of 80-year-old

Bhim Kohli, 80, died on Monday after an attack in Franklin Park, Braunstone Town, on Sunday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831380826455523456

 

[PrairieWind]

So this 14 year old boy will be charged with murder. The shooter in Georgia today is 14 and will be charged with murder as well. So much anger and lack of empathy in so many children. I remember being 14 and I was just worried about if I was thinking about sports and maybe girls. I certainly never would have even considered hurting, let alone killing anyone.

 

[Dotta]

So this 14 year old boy will be charged with murder. The shooter in Georgia today is 14 and will be charged with murder as well. So much anger and lack of empathy in so many children. I remember being 14 and I was just worried about if I was thinking about sports and maybe girls. I certainly never would have even considered hurting, let alone killing anyone.

Fourteen can be a pivotal age for both young people and their parents or guardians.

Fourteen-year-olds often begin to believe they know everything.

Parents shouldn't be surprised if a teenager wants to argue with them about everything or insists that they have no idea what they're talking about.

Most teenagers this age also experience major fluctuations in their self-esteem.

JMO as a teacher

 

[LadyL]

Definitely in the US…I was surprised to read of this happening in the UK, as I thought it was a uniquely American thing for younger and younger people to be committing crimes so violent.

Canada too.