Three children and two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of an 80-year-old man. Leicestershire, UK.

[LadyL]

I agree .I am not sure of the reason why. I know staff in primary schools have said behaviour is getting much worse even from reception age children

what is 'reception' age? like kindergarten?

 

[Sarahlou]

what is 'reception' age? like kindergarten?

4 years old

 

[scandinavian girl]

I was wondering what date this happened and if it was before school started. In my little town in Sweden it has been kids harassing people with e scooters. There is nothing to do for them here during the summer holiday and I believe it could be part of the problem. More activities with adult supervision like sports, dance, music etc might be something to consider.

 

[Dotta]

"One fellow gardener told The Times:

'His plots were very, very, very neat and everything was healthy.
Onions, carrots, beetroot, herbs,
he grew virtually everything.

It won quite a few prizes.
He won an internal one in our allotment society and there's the Leicestershire allotment society.
Over the years he's won two of them'."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831618247881335029

 

[Inthedetails]

"One fellow gardener told The Times:

'His plots were very, very, very neat and everything was healthy.
Onions, carrots, beetroot, herbs,
he grew virtually everything.

It won quite a few prizes.
He won an internal one in our allotment society and there's the Leicestershire allotment society.
Over the years he's won two of them'."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831618247881335029

Sounds like a nice gentleman who clearly was involved and cared about his community. We all suffer a loss when someone like this is taken too soon.

jmo

 

[Skigh]

Boy, 14, appears in court charged with murdering grandfather in a park

The defendant smiled at his mother and another family member in the public gallery before he was remanded into youth custody until his next court hearing on October 11.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A teenager was charged with murder on Wednesday and appeared at Leicester Crown Court this afternoon.

The defendant, who cannot be named for legal reasons, smiled at his mother and another family member in the public gallery before he was remanded into youth custody until his next court hearing on October 11.


Judge William Harbage QC told the defendant: ‘You will next appear before this court on 11th of October and a trial is like to be held in February next year

His mother was allowed into the courtroom as her son’s appropriate adult.

 

[PrairieWind]

I wonder if this boy fully comprehends what he has done?

 

[Sarahlou]

He might be proud of what he's done

 

[ilovewings]

That and the lack of discipline and respect. Many young people these ages are under the impression they can do or say what they like without consequences. It's like they are not taught respect for others, self respect and civility.
Ebm

Moo

I dare say the lack of respect and children being brought up to believe there are no consequences for bad behavior have led to horrific acts like this by younger people, even children- I think this is probably more world - wide than behavior that occurs in a particular country: then there is social media--- which in my opinion has become toxic ---so what will they do with the 12 year old? a slap on the wrist? what will these "children' be charged with?

 

[Dotta]

IM harsh O

These youths were roaming wildly,
terrorizing neighbourhoods,
focusing on the vulnerable,
not bothered by anyone and feeling impune.

Lack of discipline,
Lack of morals,
Lack of positive role models.

Feeling strong in a group,
jeering, vulgar and primitive.
Zero respect for others.

Kicking a can down a road,
or kicking an elderly person.

Where are the parents?
What kind of parental methods are being used?

I feel pessimistic.
In 4 short years this person will be an adult.

But will he be a changed person?

JMO

 

[Lyanna]

I dare say the lack of respect and children being brought up to believe there are no consequences for bad behavior have led to horrific acts like this by younger people, even children- I think this is probably more world - wide than behavior that occurs in a particular country: then there is social media--- which in my opinion has become toxic ---so what will they do with the 12 year old? a slap on the wrist? what will these "children' be charged with?

I'm interested in the sentencing for the one charged with murder - not holding my breath for it to be adequate at all. Age old argument of whether they fully understand their actions and people asking do they truly understand what they've done going to be played out now. Unless they have significant learning disabilities or brain injury then yes they do understand. Jmo
These are not little children. They know the difference between right and wrong, yet they still did this. And, an elder gentleman too, not someone in their 20's, 30's, 40's or 50's - they chose someone clearly frail and vulnerable to kick and hurt.

Makes you wonder how they would feel if someone did that to their Nain or Taid.


(I'm not going to start on parents allowing their kids and younger teens to have profiles on social media and the content that is created targeting those young ones - be here for hours on my soap box LOL)

moo

 

[LadyL]

4 years old

thanks so known as pre-k here

 

[LadyL]

IM harsh O

These youths were roaming wildly,
terrorizing neighbourhoods,
focusing on the vulnerable,
not bothered by anyone and feeling impune.

Lack of discipline,
Lack of morals,
Lack of positive role models.

Feeling strong in a group,
jeering, vulgar and primitive.
Zero respect for others.

Kicking a can down a road,
or kicking an elderly person.

Where are the parents?
What kind of parental methods are being used?

I feel pessimistic.
In 4 short years this person will be an adult.

But will he be a changed person?

JMO

no he'll be worse after spending time in jail or detention with other delinquents JMO

 

[LadyL]

I'm interested in the sentencing for the one charged with murder - not holding my breath for it to be adequate at all. Age old argument of whether they fully understand their actions and people asking do they truly understand what they've done going to be played out now. Unless they have significant learning disabilities or brain injury then yes they do understand. Jmo
These are not little children. They know the difference between right and wrong, yet they still did this. And, an elder gentleman too, not someone in their 20's, 30's, 40's or 50's - they chose someone clearly frail and vulnerable to kick and hurt.

Makes you wonder how they would feel if someone did that to their Nain or Taid.


(I'm not going to start on parents allowing their kids and younger teens to have profiles on social media and the content that is created targeting those young ones - be here for hours on my soap box LOL)

moo

Nain or Taid = grandparents?

 

[seasideForest]

Nain or Taid = grandparents?

Grandmother, grandfather in that order, in Welsh, strangely. I'm interested in language and googled. Originaly I assumed these might be the words in Punjabi.

 

[Lyanna]

Nain or Taid = grandparents?

Yes - sorry x
Nain- Grandmother
Taid - Grandfather

 

[Lyanna]

Grandmother, grandfather in that order, in Welsh, strangely. I'm interested in language and googled. Originaly I assumed these might be the words in Punjabi.

In Punjabi it would be Dada Ji for Grandfather or Nana Ji for grandmother (I believe) moo

 

[katydid23]

It's awful.
You'd think that even an elderly person walking his dog in a park near a built-up area would be safe. This wasn't out in the wilderness somewhere.
According to this article Pictured: Dog walker, 80, 'kicked to death by group of children' linked further up-thread, his dog was a big dog, you'd think capable of protecting him.
I doubt it's Britain only at the moment though. Brutal attacks in other countries, partially also by children and youths. MOO

I think the uptick in aggressive schoolchildren has something to do with the violent video games that many have played all their young lives. A lot of children are home alone while their parents are working 2 jobs. And the kids play Grand Theft Auto and other games with violent content...added to violent films they find online, and much less human socialisation and emotional connection -----it is creating some emotional problems and a lack of compassion and kindness. IMO.

My friends in education have seen it happening for awhile---big spike in students being violent with teachers and staff in recent years. So much disrespect shown. It really does worry me.

Graphic video shows student attacking teacher's aide for ...​

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A Florida student “violently attacked” and knocked a teaching assistant unconscious after she took away his Nintendo Switch game console.

 

[Tortoise]

and much less human socialisation and emotional connection

RSBM

I think you might have hit the nail on the head there. I don't think it's possible to do this kind of thing if in possession of emotional connection. It is definitely disconnected.

 

[Dotta]

I think the uptick in aggressive schoolchildren has something to do with the violent video games that many have played all their young lives. A lot of children are home alone while their parents are working 2 jobs. And the kids play Grand Theft Auto and other games with violent content...added to violent films they find online, and much less human socialisation and emotional connection -----it is creating some emotional problems and a lack of compassion and kindness. IMO.

My friends in education have seen it happening for awhile---big spike in students being violent with teachers and staff in recent years. So much disrespect shown. It really does worry me.

Graphic video shows student attacking teacher's aide for ...​

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https://kfor.com › video › graphic-video-shows-student-a...

A Florida student “violently attacked” and knocked a teaching assistant unconscious after she took away his Nintendo Switch game console.

Blaming Internet/games/Social Media, etc
seems too simple IMO.
A convenient scapegoat.

Although my guess is simple as well:

Poor parenting.
Ineffective parental methods.
Negative role models.
Neglect.
Broken homes.
Damaged parents= damaged kids.

It all starts at home.

Re "Florida Student"
This attack had deeper cause than taking his console.
Much deeper.

JMO