Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #2

[10ofRods]

I do wonder if the ocean produces all kinds of noises detectable by those buoys.

Would it really matter if anyone in the submersible knew or was banging in Morse code? The point would be to make banging sounds that are unmistakably man-made. Banging SOS in Morse code would obviously do it.... banging to the rhythm of any universally known/popular song would probably do the trick too, yes?

I think so. The idea would be to somehow make it clear it was human made and coming from the ocean, I guess. Apparently, in the French Navy, they use a 30 minute interval to indicate regularity and give searchers something to pinpoint.

At this point in time, continuous banging would be the way to go. I wonder what it takes to make either the titanium or the carbon fiber shell "bang."

I know from going under the water in local coves and harbors (so, shallow places) that in harbors, one hears clanging under the water, because I guess boats often having chains that scrape the hull as the boat shifts in the water. I can't imagine that any such sound could carry 12,500 feet to the surface.

IMO.

 

[bestill]

Sort of macabre, visiting the Titanic, and ending up not coming back. I personally think, leave the sea graveyard alone. Going that deep in the ocean isn't like snorkeling on vacation. It shouldn't be some sort of "tourist" excursion.

I agree with this, it's been discovered, filmed and documented that should be the end of it, imo. Does everyone just have the right to visit and tour it? I just don't agree with that.

Wow! If this is all correct, it is just appalling. Where passengers aware of this? Sign waivers? It really doesn't matter. OceanGate is done.

I am sure there are attorney's now lining up with OceanGate in their crosshairs, regardless of any disclaimers. What about the minor that went? That seems terribly risky. I am also considering the great expense this is costing the rescue companies and risk to the searchers. Who will foot that bill? I foresee some deep investigations into these high risk adventures. JMO

 

[JennieM]

A man who was on the Titan last year told Sky News that the submersible “was not safe.”

Speaking to the outlet, former passenger Arthur Loibl said that “everybody was nervous” during the 2021 expedition to the Titanic wreck.

Loibl went on to describe the cramped conditions of the vessel, saying, “There is no seat, you cannot stand, you cannot kneel, you only sit for 10 and a half hours.

Our legs are like a crab, like a snake because it was so small, nothing was comfortable.”

He also added that the vessel was “very, very cold” as the temperature outside the submersible was 4 degrees Celsius.

When asked whether he felt that the submarine was safe, Loibl replied, “No, it was not safe.”

More noises heard in search area, says US Coast Guard, amid huge effort to bring crew home – as it happened

Rescue team says every noise being tracked and analysed; ‘every possible effort’ being made to bring missing crew home, says Polar Prince co-owner

www.theguardian.com

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...084ea43c43d913#block-6493548b8f084ea43c43d913

 

[fred&edna]

Maybe this was posted previously (sorry, if a repeat)... Nargeolet made 35 trips to the Titanic.

Paul-Henri Nargeolet Has Made More Than 35 Titanic Site Trips


and he has participated in the recovery of many artifacts...

With over 5,500 artifacts recovered from the wreck site, these artifacts have been viewed by more than 35 million individuals through the Company’s highly successful exhibition, TITANIC: The Artifact Exhibition.

RMS Titanic, Inc.

Welcome to the official home of RMS Titanic, Inc., proudly offering comprehensive educational programs, innovative exhibitions, and Titanic collaborations.

www.discovertitanic.com

 

[10ofRods]

(respectfully snipped for focus) Yes: other messages of sending text messagaes can be seen in old Western movies: the telegraph. Same RESULT (text sent over a distance by modulating a signal) but different technology.

See, there ARE no celllphones that deep and no cell towers. They're sending text messages, just NOT the ones you send by cellphone. They're modulating audio beamed between the two vessels. These are still "text messages," just not via cellphone. Oh, and considerably slower, vastly slower, because of the very restricted bandwidth available over audio between stations on either end two miles of seawater. We ham-radio nuts do "text messages" this way using radioteletype (RTTY) via shortwave radio, and the goverment and military still keep shortwave RTTY links for emergencies. 73! Ken AC4RD

Thank you - I should have thanked you for your earlier response, which I saw. Aside from your explanation, I only found one article online (SciAmerican) that explained this type of system to me. Every MSM article otherwise just says "texting" which of course makes most people think of...texting by cell.

Your Ham Radio background is so interesting! Thank you for being here on WS. Turns out that the signal could only be detected by the Polar Prince (mother ship) when the Titan was directly beneath it.

Seems like a huge limitation to me - and of course, I wonder if the passengers were aware of that detail. It was essentially like being in an elevator shaft - adventure was intended to go straight down, then straight back up. Yet, on prior trips, they "lost" a previous Titan craft for 5 hours (can't remember how they found it again or how that resolved - I think it was 2021).

I can't imagine going into an elevator shaft with a phone that could only be monitored by someone at the top of the shaft. But I'm not all that adventurous, so there's that. I actually like elevator drop/plunge rides (Tower of Terror type), but adding water into the story makes it all different for me. My respect for oceans, lakes and rivers knows no bounds. More people die in the California Sierra by drowning in rivers than any other wilderness cause. I've watched people in Los Angeles decide to get into run-off canals when it rains, on the theory that "it isn't that deep" (it isn't deep - but it is fast and that makes all the difference).

This is a case of very deep water. I know that my students would hear 4000 meters (estimated depth of this dive) and think "NBD" because 1) the number 4000 is not 4 billion and 2) they don't know meters from feet.

Just saying. JMO.

 

[BeachSky]

Wow! If this is all correct, it is just appalling. Where passengers aware of this? Sign waivers? It really doesn't matter. OceanGate is done.

Sounds like an odd comparison but the Santa Barbara boat fire comes to mind…
The sinking of the Conception.
Passengers are precious souls IMO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671628079226134528

 

[gitana1]

I wondered why the sub wasn’t painted bright orange with manual reflectors like cruise ship life boats and reflectors? Agreed with the sea swell and white cabs of several feet, the white sub would decently blend in with the sea, but bright colors might stand a chance of being seen.

also once on surface, I would think all of the cell phones, watches etc would be drained down by now, especially with a power outage onboard, so no way to communicate Unfortunately.

It's a floating coffin.

 

[MollyHarps]

The banging heard terrifies me and plays on my anxiety - I hope this wasnt them and that they died quickly.

As we get closer to darkness in the last few hours of oxygen supply we have to be real and say these men won’t survive (I hope I eat my words but I doubt it).

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671628079226134528

All aboard were fully aware of the risks. (imo, of course)

 

[MassGuy]

All aboard were fully aware of the risks.

Yup. Offer me a million dollars to make that trip in that sub, and I’d honestly (probably) turn it down.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

All aboard were fully aware of the risks.

Sure. But the kid is 19. That is certainly on the edge of being able to use good judgement but it was more likely his father who made the call. Would he have been allowed to sign up if he weren't with his father?

 

[JDG]

Expert reveals what may have happened on board missing Titanic sub

Collapsed lungs, ruptured eardrums and 'nitrogen narcosis' causing internal suffocation is the fate that could have befallen the five missing submarine tourists if the hull was breached.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JDG]

Sure. But the kid is 19. That is certainly on the edge of being able to use good judgement but it was more likely his father who made the call. Would he have been allowed to sign up if he weren't with his father?

In many countries he is considered an adult.

 

[MassGuy]

Sure. But the kid is 19. That is certainly on the edge of being able to use good judgement but it was more likely his father who made the call. Would he have been allowed to sign up if he weren't with his father?

Valid point for sure. He also couldn’t have afforded it without his father.

 

[Sarahlou]

Sure. But the kid is 19. That is certainly on the edge of being able to use good judgement but it was more likely his father who made the call. Would he have been allowed to sign up if he weren't with his father?

I think 18 is the age they are allowed to go on that sub.
He's old enough to join the navy (for example) so I don't see how he's too young to make his own decision here.

 

[fred&edna]

Yup. Offer me a million dollars to make that trip in that sub, and I’d honestly (probably) turn it down.

Same here.

But, obviously there are others in this world that welcome such risks.

 

[gitana1]

I understand much of what he is saying, but if this event would cause no one else to take the excursion, "even if they are rescued", then that means the risk was not and is not truly worth it to these "risk takers".

Also, yes, the billionaires taking this trip are risk takers, but why? I have nothing against people choosing to take risks. It's how we have explored so much of the world and beyond, as well as other things, how we have built amazing things, found cures and treatments for disease, etc. And some people are motivated by passion and thrill, despite known risks, like many rock climbers, solo sailors, and so forth.

But I wonder if billionaires may take risks not because they are truly aware of them and are willing to bypass the risk in order to experience the thrill. Instead, perhaps they are used to getting whatever they want, never being told no, having incredible power. So they don't believe anything bad can truly happen to them.

 

[fred&edna]

I think 18 is the age they are allowed to go on that sub.
He's old enough to join the navy (for example) so I don't see how he's too young to make his own decision here.

And, I doubt his father forced him on this "adventure". jmo

 

[JDG]

I understand much of what he is saying, but if this event would cause no one else to take the excursion, "even if they are rescued", then that means the risk was not and is not truly worth it to these "risk takers".

Also, yes, the billionaires taking this trip are risk takers, but why? I have nothing against people choosing to take risks. It's how we have explored so much of the world and beyond, as well as other things, how we have built amazing things, found cures and treatments for disease, etc. And some people are motivated by passion and thrill, despite known risks, like many rock climbers, solo sailors, and so forth.

But I wonder if billionaires may take risks not because they are truly aware of them and are willing to bypass the risk in order to experience the thrill. Instead, perhaps they are used to getting whatever they want, never being told no, having incredible power. So they don't believe anything bad can truly happen to them.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjE9f6dp9X_AhV9lYkEHebrABEQFnoECA8QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.medicalnewstoday.com%2Farticles%2Fadrenaline-junkie%23%3A~%3Atext%3D%25E2%2580%259CAdrenaline%2520junkie%25E2%2580%259D%2520is%2520a%2520term%2520used%2520to%2520describe%2520a%2520person%2Cskydiving%252C%2520and%2520other%2520extreme%2520sports.&usg=AOvVaw0FCn7KWoEz2PR3z4Z6jZmN&opi=89978449

Adrenaline junkies

Explains how, why some people take major risks.

Rich people just have the money to do it in a more extreme way perhaps.