Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #4

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Looks like Defendants are: OceanGate, Inc., The Estate of R.S Rush III, Tony Nissen, Electroimpact, Inc., Janicki Industries, Inc. and Hydrospace Group, Inc.
Tony Nissen was the head of engineering for OceanGate.

It looks like Electroimpact, Janicki Industries, and Hydrospace Group are all engineering/manufacturing firms. I would guess that they were involved in the design and/or construction of the Titan.
 
Tony Nissen was the head of engineering for OceanGate.

It looks like Electroimpact, Janicki Industries, and Hydrospace Group are all engineering/manufacturing firms. I would guess that they were involved in the design and/or construction of the Titan.
I looked it up and Nissen actually left OceanGate in 2019 according to his LinkedIn. If I recall correctly, they rebuilt the Titan in 2020. Of course I don't know anything about the basis for their lawsuit, but to me it seems like they are on pretty shaky ground to pursue someone who only worked on the previous version and left four years before the implosion.

I wonder why they are suing this guy and not whoever took over the role after he left. Maybe no one did?
 
I looked it up and Nissen actually left OceanGate in 2019 according to his LinkedIn. If I recall correctly, they rebuilt the Titan in 2020. Of course I don't know anything about the basis for their lawsuit, but to me it seems like they are on pretty shaky ground to pursue someone who only worked on the previous version and left four years before the implosion.

I wonder why they are suing this guy and not whoever took over the role after he left. Maybe no one did?
I don't know if the role was filled or there was was any "shuffling" as is sometimes seen in smaller companies. But Nissan is alive. I'm not an attorney but (cynically) I think a lawsuit that contains some live defendants, people who may be frantic about losing everything, may be easier to win against than when all the defendants are
dead. Estates don't respond the way living defendants may.
But that's entirely JMO.
 
Tony Nissen was the head of engineering for OceanGate.

It looks like Electroimpact, Janicki Industries, and Hydrospace Group are all engineering/manufacturing firms. I would guess that they were involved in the design and/or construction of the Titan.
The Complaint states that Electroimpact laid the carbon fibers used for Titan's hull, and Janicki Industries cured the material in its ovens. Hydrospace manufactured the acrylic viewport. The case against them stems mostly in a product liability framework. I think those will be hard to prevail on or even survive summary judgment. Plaintiff will have to show how these items were defective in their production. Maybe they can claim that these companies were involved in the actual design of the sub? Not sure exactly what the claim is.
The Damages section also lists a Guillermo Sohnlein as liable, but he isn't listed in the caption or in the parties section, so I'm not sure who he is (he might be inadvertently included in that paragraph).
 
A public hearing that will address the tragedy is scheduled to take place in September 2024. Until then, the MBI will continue its evidence analysis and witness interviews as part of the ongoing investigation.

Lahey recalls pleading with his long-time friend and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet, who was killed in the incident, not to dive with OceanGate. "I tried to do everything I could to discourage him from going out there. I know many people that knew him did the same thing."

McCallum also discusses his now well-publicised email exchange with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, who also died on the dive, warning him that he was courting disaster by taking the uncertified Titan submersible to such extreme depths.

"He was completely dismissive," McCallum says. "The minute I found out it was going to be an unclassed vehicle, that's when the alarm bells rang. But perhaps the biggest red flag of all was when a senior member of the OceanGate team wrote a report laying out the 26 or 27 things wrong with the sub and suggested solutions to those problems and he was silenced."


A timeline of events is also in the link.
 
A public hearing that will address the tragedy is scheduled to take place in September 2024. Until then, the MBI will continue its evidence analysis and witness interviews as part of the ongoing investigation.

Lahey recalls pleading with his long-time friend and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet, who was killed in the incident, not to dive with OceanGate. "I tried to do everything I could to discourage him from going out there. I know many people that knew him did the same thing."

McCallum also discusses his now well-publicised email exchange with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, who also died on the dive, warning him that he was courting disaster by taking the uncertified Titan submersible to such extreme depths.

"He was completely dismissive," McCallum says. "The minute I found out it was going to be an unclassed vehicle, that's when the alarm bells rang. But perhaps the biggest red flag of all was when a senior member of the OceanGate team wrote a report laying out the 26 or 27 things wrong with the sub and suggested solutions to those problems and he was silenced."


A timeline of events is also in the link.

Oh my goodness, what a waste. :/
 
The Complaint states that Electroimpact laid the carbon fibers used for Titan's hull, and Janicki Industries cured the material in its ovens. Hydrospace manufactured the acrylic viewport. The case against them stems mostly in a product liability framework. I think those will be hard to prevail on or even survive summary judgment. Plaintiff will have to show how these items were defective in their production. Maybe they can claim that these companies were involved in the actual design of the sub? Not sure exactly what the claim is.
The Damages section also lists a Guillermo Sohnlein as liable, but he isn't listed in the caption or in the parties section, so I'm not sure who he is (he might be inadvertently included in that paragraph).

I wonder if they're going to try to claim that these companies knew that their products weren't fit for purpose and should never have been used on a submersible.

In any case, I expect that OceanGate is insolvent, so they probably just want to find some defendants with deep pockets.
 
I wonder if they're going to try to claim that these companies knew that their products weren't fit for purpose and should never have been used on a submersible.

In any case, I expect that OceanGate is insolvent, so they probably just want to find some defendants with deep pockets.
It isn't clear and maybe that is intentional, keeping that open while discovery proceeds. I think it would be difficult to prove a manufacturing defect. I guess the argument could be that they provided these materials knowing that they would be used in a deep sea submersible and that they never should have done that. But I'm not sure how that would play out. But as you point out, the Plaintiff wants to get people on there that have some money. But it doesn't mean they will get it. I see they are claiming all defendants have joint and several liability. I am sure Washington recognizes comparative fault however. But I don't know anything about how those Maritime Law causes of action work.
 
It isn't clear and maybe that is intentional, keeping that open while discovery proceeds. I think it would be difficult to prove a manufacturing defect. I guess the argument could be that they provided these materials knowing that they would be used in a deep sea submersible and that they never should have done that. But I'm not sure how that would play out. But as you point out, the Plaintiff wants to get people on there that have some money. But it doesn't mean they will get it. I see they are claiming all defendants have joint and several liability. I am sure Washington recognizes comparative fault however. But I don't know anything about how those Maritime Law causes of action work.
I concur, it will be difficult for plaintiff to disprove "suitability for purpose" which in this case, is almost synonymous with "suitability for depth"...if there was a very specific document forwarded from Oceangate that indicated operating depth, rate of descent and frequency of use, the manufacturer/fabricators might have some exposure. Its well established upthread that Hydrogate published a pressure rating for the viewport dome, and it was nowhere near corresponding to the depth of the Titanic. I don't believe they would have issued an exception for Oceangate.
Doesn't mean some nuisance money might change hands but I would be surprised to see this suit make it to trial with the listed manufacturers as defendants.

ETA MOO cause I never know when....
 
Why are they doing this exactly? It has been done before many times, we have hi-def video and stills of the place.

I guess money is the root of all this guff. Be careful down there, I wouldn't want anything untoward to happen..

Maybe just let the sea bed rest in peace.

Let us compare the Titanic to the remainder of another huge tragedy, USS Arizona memorial; we went there twice. Arizona immortalized the tragic event in history that might have well changed the course of WWII. The patriotic memorial at the same time highlights the US role in the context of the world history of the XX century. I highly recommend this trip and I am very thankful to US government, the State of Hawaii and private donors who contributed to the Memorial and to the National Park Service who maintains it.

But pay attention, public and private funds were and are spent so that we could visit the Pearl Harbor and its Memorials for free. More than two million visitors each year.

What is happening to the Titanic? Stockton Rush is a tiny figure entering history for his unfounded hubris. But the general trend, while not illegal, is very unhealthy, and the scope of interest to the Titanic, bothersome.

Think of the change in our mentality. In 1961, Elvis Presley, a megastar, organized a beneficiary concert to raise funds to USS Arizona. It is so paltry that nowadays with the Titanic everything moves in the opposite direction. Also, one should be respectful to both the passengers lying in the ocean and the Ocean itself.
 
I finally realized why wealthy people would go on this type of expedition. At some point, owning "things" is no longer a status symbol of wealth. The new "affluence" is accumulation of "experiences" that are rare and unique. That can be casually dropped into conversations, "Ah, yes, and last year I did go deep sea diving in the North Atlantic to view the Titanic...".
 
I finally realized why wealthy people would go on this type of expedition. At some point, owning "things" is no longer a status symbol of wealth. The new "affluence" is accumulation of "experiences" that are rare and unique. That can be casually dropped into conversations, "Ah, yes, and last year I did go deep sea diving in the North Atlantic to view the Titanic...".
That coupled with the fact that they have the money to spend being risk takers.
 
Former employees of the company that owned an experimental submersible that imploded on its way to the wreck of the Titanic are scheduled to testify before a Coast Guard investigatory board at an upcoming hearing.

The U.S. Coast Guard quickly convened a high-level investigation into what happened, and that inquiry is set to reach its public hearing phase on Sept. 16.

Witnesses scheduled to appear during the upcoming hearing include Guillermo Sohnlein, who is another co-founder of OceanGate, as well as the company's former engineering director, operations director and scientific director, according to documents provided by the Coast Guard.

The hearing is taking place in Charleston, S.C., and is scheduled to last two weeks. The board is expected to issue a report with evidence, conclusions and recommendations once its investigation is finished.

OceanGate's former director of administration, former finance director and other witnesses who worked for the company are also expected to testify. The witness list also includes numerous Coast Guard officials, scientists, government and industry officials and others.
 

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