TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #11

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sarx said:
Brodie's Landing area.
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Which is just south of our geocacher jackthebear, sarx. Wish that guy had been there an hour earlier, he would have been right in the middle of it (and still may have been).
 
daisy.faithfull said:
I was wondering the same thing, but maybe its to determine if the hair on the duct take could tell us if Holly was killed immediatly after she was abducted.

The only thing with that though is do the bands appear on the hair immedialty after death and do they form if the hair has been pulled out.

But since it doesn't make sense for this monster to remove the duct tape so soon after the abduction, before he was in a place that no one would hear her screams. He could have knocked her out so she couldn't scream but even then why risk it or spend time doing something that didn't need to be done so soon after the abduction.

I guess he could have taken it off if he killed her, but then again why waste time doing something that wasn't absolutely necessary?
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True and why plant the evidence (IF that is what happened)

MOOOOOOO
 
daisy.faithfull said:
I was wondering the same thing, but maybe its to determine if the hair on the duct take could tell us if Holly was killed immediatly after she was abducted.

The only thing with that though is do the bands appear on the hair immedialty after death and do they form if the hair has been pulled out.

But since it doesn't make sense for this monster to remove the duct tape so soon after the abduction, before he was in a place that no one would hear her screams. He could have knocked her out so she couldn't scream but even then why risk it or spend time doing something that didn't need to be done so soon after the abduction.

I guess he could have taken it off if he killed her, but then again why waste time doing something that wasn't absolutely necessary?
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Let's hope Holly was able to remove the duct tape herself. I don't see why the abductor would have removed it either.
 
I'm still of the opinion that she may be still be alive. It seems to me that his intent was not for a simple, fast kill, but had intended instead to take her away to a hidden site, and to keep her for his pleasure, and could envision camping out with her for a large piece of time, in a shack or a hunting cabin his family owned.

I believe the site will not be too close to the areas that they are searching and they are, at this time, settled in well.

He'll need to come out to get food and supplies, probably tying and gagging her,and he may even appear in town at the various service stores for provisions. Furthermore, he may join in with rescue work, maybe hang back and just listen along the edges for any information.

I feel this is a crime of passion and lust and obsession, one that has been well thought out.

They could be many miles away, according to this theory, in an area off the Radar, and may not be found for some time to come.

There will be a slip-up in time, and they will be found, of that I truly believe. I can only hope that the find will be a timely one, one which produces a live and relieved, Holly.

I believe, as others have stated before, that he is in charge at all times, and that he would not have allowed her to carry her possessions. He separated her from them in the car (?), and at some time planted them around. I would think there could be evidence of his fingerprints or some DNA on her items unless he was smart enough to wear rubber gloves.
 
s_finch said:
True and why plant the evidence (IF that is what happened)

MOOOOOOO
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Well, he probably isn't aware that hair can tell LE that Holly is dead.

As for planting the evidence, I would think that he did it to lead the police down the wrong path. But that would have taken him quite a bit of time that he didn't need to be wasting.

I think the appearance that the evidence was planted is part of the reason the talking heads seem to think that the apparent abduction could he covering up for a different crime.

But I don't think that the brother had anything to do with Holly's abduction, and he would the only one who could set things up like that.
 
Plumeria5 said:
Let's hope Holly was able to remove the duct tape herself. I don't see why the abductor would have removed it either.
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I hope that she was able to remove the duct tape but I would think that she would put it back on so he wouldn't know she had gotten it loose. Then when there was a chance that someone could hear her she could take it off easily and scream.
 
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
 
Pugnolia said:
I'm still of the opinion that she may be still be alive. It seems to me that his intent was not for a simple, fast kill, but had intended instead to take her away to a hidden site, and to keep her for his pleasure, and could envision camping out with her for a large piece of time, in a shack or a hunting cabin his family owned.

I believe the site will not be too close to the areas that they are searching and they are, at this time, settled in well.

He'll need to come out to get food and supplies, probably tying and gagging her,and he may even appear in town at the various service stores for provisions. Furthermore, he may join in with rescue work, maybe hang back and just listen along the edges for any information.

I feel this is a crime of passion and lust and obsession, one that has been well thought out.

They could be many miles away, according to this theory, in an area off the Radar, and may not be found for some time to come.

There will be a slip-up in time, and they will be found, of that I truly believe. I can only hope that the find will be a timely one, one which produces a live and relieved, Holly.

I believe, as others have stated before, that he is in charge at all times, and that he would not have allowed her to carry her possessions. He separated her from them in the car (?), and at some time planted them around. I would think there could be evidence of his fingerprints or some DNA on her items unless he was smart enough to wear rubber gloves.
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I thought about the same thing then wondered how he could get Holly out of the area quickly if that is what he was doing that. Unless he had an accomplice, which I don't think is the case.

Good point about his carrying her books. Maybe that is why the brother thought that Holly was going into the forest with her boyfriend.

But then again I would think that the primary objective would be to get Holly to the get away car and keeping her under control until he did so. Carrying books would make that harder to do.

But maybe the evidence wasn't left behind intentially. Maybe once in the forest Holly made an attempt to flee, causing the stuff to drop.
 
froginTtown said:
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
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He listens to a scanner, the news, knows where they are searching then plants evidence far from there. Otherwise I would think he would be afraid to be wandering around with her belongings. How far was the lunchbox found from a road?
 
froginTtown said:
Well.. If I were the perp... I would plant evidence too... far from where Holly is... to through the LE off... which IMO worked...
I think this guy got Holly to where ever he wanted to keep her. (cave,bunker,camper etc..) and handcuffed her to something... He took her belongings and scattered them throughout the county side to through LE off...
If I'm right... this guys clever... and he has this all well thought out...
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But didn't the police become involved shortly after the abduction. Would a careful planner want to risk planting the evidence if there was any possibility LE could catch him in the act?

I'm hoping that Holly is alive. It doesn't sound there was a enough blood in the driveway to indicate that it was a serious injury.

For all we know LE is searching the river because it is the next logical step and not because LE got a tip that he put her in the water after he killed her.
 
Just thinking outloud...
Being Holly had an exam that day.. maybe she didn't have many books that day...
Or did she keep everything in a bookbag....??
but LE won't release any info about stuff like that...
My theory... LE didn't want to discuss that because they thought that Holly was leaving a trail...
Even the LE are telling the searchers to look for items from a purse..feminine things... books and papers...
I really hope I'm wrong... but if you were hot on a trail from Holly, would you tell nearly 1,000 searchers to take a break...???
 
My gut is telling me a similar story... this trail they are on is a false one. It is just so "pat". I think maybe the trail leads to the river and then its "lost". I too would hope that this scenario means she is safely tucked away.... I am hoping he would not go to this much trouble unless that were true. I don't think LE is quite falling for this story completely, if at all. I hope not and I am praying they have a trove of evidence and leads we know nothing about. In order for this theory to work, she would have to be stashed fairly close, don't you think?
 
Well I think that it is time for me to go to bed... I can't believe that I finally got through all the thread and was about to share some of my thoughts.

I'm, as always, very impressed with everyones thoughts.

I hope they find Holly soon. This stuff just never makes sense to me. I just don't understand how someone could do abduct, let alone kill someone if that is what happened.

Good nite!
 
daisy.faithfull said:
Since it would take the monster alot of time to construct the plan, I don't understand why he would deviate from it. On that day Holly was on different schedule because she had practicals.

Maybe he knew that Holly was on a different schedule. If that is the case though I would think that he would have wanted to plan the abduction for a day that Holly had normal classed. I'd think that her absence from her practicals would have set bells off alot sooner than if she was in one of her courses blending in with the crowd and even if her profs did notice she was not in class I don't think anyone would be alarmed because students skip classes all the time.
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It is possible that on Holly's regular schedule she leaves earlier, at the same time as one or both of her parents... or leaves later at the same time as her brother.

This may be the only day that she leaves alone.

Just as with their schedules I do not think she is home alone a lot, I don't think there was a lot of opportunities for this to occur as she was leaving either.

I think having one person IN the house while Holly was outside was the best option... when the alternative was having another person outside with Holly or inside with Holly.
 
Was the lunch box/bag found on Gooch Road? I thought originally they reported it was by a creek?
 
Does anyone now if there is a boat ramp at the river on this road that they are searching by the river? I also, reading on here, believe they are also searching the river???? Wonder if a POI was spotted that day, or his vehicle was, at the boat ramp with an empty boat trailer? Or was he spotted on the river and thats where they think he put in????
 
froginTtown said:
Just thinking outloud...
Being Holly had an exam that day.. maybe she didn't have many books that day...
Or did she keep everything in a bookbag....??
but LE won't release any info about stuff like that...
My theory... LE didn't want to discuss that because they thought that Holly was leaving a trail...
Even the LE are telling the searchers to look for items from a purse..feminine things... books and papers...
I really hope I'm wrong... but if you were hot on a trail from Holly, would you tell nearly 1,000 searchers to take a break...???
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I just has a thought. Would LE say anything at all about the trail if it was Holly that left it. Wouldn't LE not want this monster to know they were on to him.

Also, if he did find out that Holly left a trail... he could get really angry with her and that would not be a good thing.
 
That's the thing Daisy... It's hard to think like them because we are not like them...Thank God..:)
 
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