TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33

[~n/t~]

In looking at the map, there are only two houses in the area from what I can see. The Bobo house and the Wise property are about 390 yds apart (about 1/4 mile). I believe the son of Ms Wise is about 30 yrs. old. He heard the scream and told his mother and went to work? Between him and Clint, both of their behaviors befuddle me.

I will assume that the neighbors knew each other. I have been told (too many times) how very close these neighbors are to each other (tight-knit) out there. His actions don't tell me that. They are quite the opposite for the very rural community of loving neighbors and all.

There is no good reason why a young man would not go over and assist a young girl screaming @ 7:30am. I refuse to buy his work was more important than a young girl in distress. Has this guy been checked out? Because I have a few questions for him..

I wonder how long they've been neighbours. Did the kids grow up together?

Not sure why I even bother asking these questions I'll never get answers to.

This case is like no other.

 

[dejavoodoo64]

I had read from someone who claims to be a local that there may have been some tension between the two neighbors. I want to say over target shooting or something like that. It must have been quite a scream or screams for the neighbor to call Karen at school.

Yeah kinda like feuding. I would like to add that my BIL lives abot 1290 feet from me at the foot of a mountain. I know because I helped build the driveway and lay the water line. That likes 30 feet being a quarter mile. We hear each other yell and know it means "hey". But you can't talk to each other and make it out. So to me that must of been a hell of a scream(s)to be heard. Any mountain or high ground to echo off of? Thats part of what helps us even hear each other. Just a thought, but I guess what they call a blood curdling scream could be heard. JMO

/To be clear I mean it must of been some more scream(s) for the neighbor to know it was scream(s) and not just someone yelling.

 

[deca]

According to Karen, initially Clint didn’t realize what was going on. Because of Clint’s lack of awareness, maybe Karen (or someone on her behalf) called Holly’s school to find out if she arrived and that is how the teacher and Holly’s classmate knew something was wrong.

jmo

I would like to see the actual MSM of the teacher's reaction on this. If I remember correctly, the teacher "knowing" seemed the impression the student got. IIRC, the student said something to the effect that Holly is never late and the teacher "hung her head" or "looked down". To me, that could mean anything, not necessarily that the teacher knew about Holly's abduction.

Let me go back and see if I can find the quote.

 

[deca]

Okay so here it is

"When she was not here at the start of the test, I started to cry because I thought she had been in a car accident," she said. "When I told the teacher I thought something bad had happened to Holly, she already knew what was going on and she just lowered her head."

from http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120101/NEWS25/102200007/Final-hours-Holly-Family-friends-police-reconstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction?nclick_check=1

BBM
Honestly, it sounds like the student is innocently trying to tell a "story" with facts gleamed afterwards. I think the student/friend was worried that Holly was late, and knew it was unlike her friend. But, how could she know that the teacher knew? The teacher might have been thinking, "Holly is a great student and now I am going to have to dock her when she shows up late" or "kids always say that they won't miss a test, but they do" or "I forgot my sandwich at home."

Perhaps the teacher had been told about Holly, but that is not clear at all from this article. And it is easy for the student -who was probably honestly worried at the time- to look back and tell people that she (the student) "knew" something really bad had happened. I think it is all part of "hindsight is 20/20" problem. Like I said, I am sure the student was worried, but I doubt she was not panicked about it until much later when she found out about the abduction. Then, she colored her story, probably subconsciously, about both her feelings and the teacher's earlier that morning. JMO

 

[wfgodot]

I get the feeling the whole answer lies somewhere between the time Clint stated to LE that Holly was "drug" off, and the time when it was changed to "led."

A very narrow window.

 

[wishuwerehere]

So how would a mother (or anyone) react to info of screams being heard from her home?

1) I am going to go out on a limb here (really?) and say Karen assumed Holly was already at school, or at least in route to school when she became aware of screams being heard by the neighbor. But I would bet something didn’t sit right with her. Would it with anyone?

2) Karen says she called home. That’s basically all I know from there. The rest is speculation on my part: I believe she awakened Clint with her call, and it set off the dog barking.

3) When Karen called Clint and he was possibly unaware, groggy, dreamy, incoherent, etc., I believe Karen would then call Holly’s cell. If she got no answer, it would make sense to me that she would call Holly’s school. Then Clint again.

jmo

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I get the feeling the whole answer lies somewhere between the time Clint stated to LE that Holly was "drug" off, and the time when it was changed to "led."

A very narrow window.

But you forget that Clint later said she was not led and was just walking... :banghead:

 

[wfgodot]

But you forget that Clint later said she was not led and was just walking... :banghead:

A veritable trinity of confusion. I still think something - what? dunno, don't have the foggiest - transpired between the "drug" and the "led," which I guess leaves the "walking of own volition even though the alleged Camo Person was guiding her with a hand on her arm" (have I got that right? lol) as icing on the Cake of Confusion that is this Case.

 

[Plumeria5]

A veritable trinity of confusion. I still think something - what? dunno, don't have the foggiest - transpired between the "drug" and the "led," which I guess leaves the "walking of own volition even though the alleged Camo Person was guiding her with a hand on her arm" (have I got that right? lol) as icing on the Cake of Confusion that is this Case.

I believe on AMW it was reported Clint said they were walking with their "arms down". (German Chocolate with that yummy coconut icing!)

 

[wfgodot]

Once one steps past the "drug/led" dichotomy, one is as a diabetic seeking to control one's blood glucose.

 

[SmoothOperator]

-Holly and male mode of transport to the treeline of woods out back of Bobo home-

-Holly was dragged from the carport into the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly was led by the male to the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were casually walking toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking coinciding with one another with their arms seen slightly bent(indicative of the male possibly guiding her by elbow) toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking not exactly side-by-side but almost.. Holly just ever so slightly ahead of the male..both Holly and the male's arms are extended straight down with no bend whatsoever..and Holly definitely in fear for her life.
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Those are just the few descriptions in a nutshell similar to whats been differently explained/described modes of the various demeanors and body language that were displayed by the two, Holly and the male, that morning.. what makes it most intriguing and baffling is that these many, multiple, varying widely different descriptions are given by one, single individual(not multiple or many different people describing the same event) ..this multitude of differing descriptions are from ONLY ONE PERSON, THE ONLY EYE WITNESS WHO SAW the two that morning..

 

[Plumeria5]

-Holly and male mode of transport to the treeline of woods out back of Bobo home-

-Holly was dragged from the carport into the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly was led by the male to the woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were casually walking toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking coinciding with one another with their arms seen slightly bent(indicative of the male possibly guiding her by elbow) toward the treeline of woods out back of the Bobo home.

-Holly and the male were walking not exactly side-by-side but almost.. Holly just ever so slightly ahead of the male..both Holly and the male's arms are extended straight down with no bend whatsoever..and Holly definitely in fear for her life.
************************************************......
Those are just the few descriptions in a nutshell similar to whats been differently explained/described modes of the various demeanors and body language that were displayed by the two, Holly and the male, that morning.. what makes it most intriguing and baffling is that these many, multiple, varying widely different descriptions are given by one, single individual(not multiple or many different people describing the same event) ..this multitude of differing descriptions are from ONLY ONE PERSON, THE ONLY EYE WITNESS WHO SAW the two that morning..

So true! lease: for Holly's sake...which version is it?

 

[Almondjoy]

So how would a mother (or anyone) react to info of screams being heard from her home?

1) I am going to go out on a limb here (really?) and say Karen assumed Holly was already at school, or at least in route to school when she became aware of screams being heard by the neighbor. But I would bet something didn’t sit right with her. Would it with anyone?

2) Karen says she called home. That’s basically all I know from there. The rest is speculation on my part: I believe she awakened Clint with her call, and it set off the dog barking.

3) When Karen called Clint and he was possibly unaware, groggy, dreamy, incoherent, etc., I believe Karen would then call Holly’s cell. If she got no answer, it would make sense to me that she would call Holly’s school. Then Clint again.

jmo

In my experience, house dogs don't start barking because the phone rings or because someone who lives in the house begins speaking on the phone. House dogs usually alert when they hear something outside the home, such as a voice they do not recognize, or even when they see something move outside. Our house dogs watch from a perch in the house where they can see out the windows, like from the top of the sofa. They are just waiting for the master to return. If there was a distant whine of an engine from a four wheeler, you can bet the dog heard it. If someone pulled a vehicle up on the dirt road beyond the tree line, the dog probably heard it. If the dog saw the attacker coming through the yard to accost Holly, now THAT might set the dog off. The opening of a door in the house could have precipitated the barking. Generally, family members moving about the house in normal routines do not set off barking. Those of you with house dogs? Agree? Disagree?

JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

Have we heard any details of the scream(s) in question?? I mean, was it a long drawn out loud scream, a sharp fast scream? Just a loud vocalization? Multiple screams?

Because I am guessing by the neighbors reaction, it probably was a really quick scream or loud shout. I hear those often in the neighborhood ( a very safe one) and I assume it is someone yelling "Hey!!" to get their dog into the house, kids horsing around, etc. That is the only type of scream I can imagine would cause him to say something to his mother and then continue on his way.

If the scream was someone yelling "Hey", I doubt he would tell him mom. I am betting the story about the scream and telling his mother has been arranged also...just as I believe that Clint's story has been rearranged.

There was tension between neighbors regarding target shooting? Not being a Country aficiondo, it doesn't compute.

So this guy and the Bobo's don't see eye-to-eye on target shooting? Did Dana and the neigbor have words before and are we sure it was about shooting targets?

 

[Almondjoy]

A veritable trinity of confusion. I still think something - what? dunno, don't have the foggiest - transpired between the "drug" and the "led," which I guess leaves the "walking of own volition even though the alleged Camo Person was guiding her with a hand on her arm" (have I got that right? lol) as icing on the Cake of Confusion that is this Case.

Being a Tennessean, I can identify with the choice of words used "in the heat of the moment" when one is upset. I think it's highly likely LE led with a question like, "What happened here, Clint?" and I think he responded, "He drug my sister off into the woods." "Drug" in this context means "took her." Im not sure Clint meant to imply force, since he claims he thought she was just walking normally with someone. Sometimes we all use the wrong word when we are highly emotional.

Who knows? Maybe Clint originally said "a guy in full camo led her off into the woods" and LE changed the word when they tried to describe what happened. We all know the old game of "Post Office" where you sit in a circle and start passing a phrase around the circle by whispering it once into someone's ear. By the time the phrase has been repeated multiple times, the original phrase is so distorted that it is not like the original message.

While I do have my own private theories based on the evidence, I do not think that there is anything particularly ominous in the words used to describe how Holly went into the woods. From Clint's statements, the guy was touching Holly, either holding her as one would hold a hostage, or supporting her, as one would support someone who was injured, or guiding her where he wanted her to go by holding her arm. The act itself could have been an act of aggression, an act of compassion, or an act of chivalry (helping her walk through rough brush.) Let's not forget that we don't absolutely know WHY she was taken. We don't know at that point if Holly was willingly going with someone she knew and did not fear. So characterizing it as dragging, leading, or walking her into the forest is difficult to describe for the one who did not even understand WHY she was walking away from the direction she should have been going to get to school! To be critical of the word he chose, to me, is being nit-picking, since he clearly did not see anything happening that looked ominous at the time. (Dragging Holly into the woods by her hair or by her feet would be a different matter.)

If you go back to the first two threads at this site and read the links as you come to the stories, you who know the case will be amazed at how many inaccurate facts were reported early on. Here are just a few I can think of:

1. Holly's mother AND brother saw her dragged away.
2. There was a home invasion.
3. Holly's sister and brother saw her abducted.
4. A body was found.
5. The car she was kidnapped in had been found.
6. The female neighbor heard her scream and came to check on her. (the son heard the scream, and his mother came later, after many phone calls between parties.)
7. Various specific items had been found (many of these not based in fact and never confirmed)
8. Clint found the duct tape with blond hair (actually found by searchers out by a road)

These are just a few of the rumors that came out during the first couple of days. If this much incorrect information could be put out, then why do we think that Clint's statements could not have been misquoted and twisted as they were passed along?

JMHO

 

[Plumeria5]

If the scream was someone yelling "Hey", I doubt he would tell him mom. I am betting the story about the scream and telling his mother has been arranged also...just as I believe that Clint's story has been rearranged.

There was tension between neighbors regarding target shooting? Not being a Country aficiondo, it doesn't compute.

So this guy and the Bobo's don't see eye-to-eye on target shooting? Did Dana and the neigbor have words before and are we sure it was about shooting targets?

Don't laugh but... possibly target shooting and trash burning. (We can abbreviate these as ts and tb in the future. =) Anywhoooooo...

 

[Whisperer]

Don't laugh but... possibly target shooting and trash burning. (We can abbreviate these as ts and tb in the future. =) Anywhoooooo...

Can I just use BS on this stuff...?

 

[Whisperer]

I'm still lost as to what woods Clint saw them going to. It wasn't the woods to the left of the house and it would be difficult to see the woods straight in front due to above ground pool. So did they cross Swan Johnson road and go in those woods?

 

[Plumeria5]

Can I just use BS on this stuff...?

:floorlaugh: Why not!

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Have we heard any details of the scream(s) in question?? I mean, was it a long drawn out loud scream, a sharp fast scream? Just a loud vocalization? Multiple screams?

Because I am guessing by the neighbors reaction, it probably was a really quick scream or loud shout. I hear those often in the neighborhood ( a very safe one) and I assume it is someone yelling "Hey!!" to get their dog into the house, kids horsing around, etc. That is the only type of scream I can imagine would cause him to say something to his mother and then continue on his way.

According to the neighbor lady I saw on tv on the news, she said it was
"blood curdling screams."