Whisperer, Per grandmother, in love and talking marriage, spending every night together for the last yr...
and not one word of concern from this guy for over a yr. for the love of his life who's missing....Hmmmmm!...
and yet, it was so urgent/important to make so many calls about turkey hunting the morning H. went missing...Hmmmm!..imo
Interesting resonses to my theory. It seems some of you thought I was suggesting Holly had run away and her family was helping her. That was not at all what I meant.
Why would there be blood and a scream if Holly was simply "eloping"
Wouldn't she want to get away as quickly and quietly as possible and have her absence not even be noted by her family until much later in the day?
I do not believe this at all, but that is JMO.
I do think it is possible her mother believed something like this, at least for a time, or wanted to believe it.
Yep! No sign of Drew. Perhaps he is missing also.
Ok, I officially believe this family is whacko and if Holly found a means to get away from them, more power to her.
We know Drew was hunting turkeys (according to Karen) and we know Clint saw somebody in full turkey gear talkiing to his sister. How hard is this?
Are we all going to assume a stranger appeared on her property wearing Turkey Camo and just happened to talk Holly for a car ride?
I would like to talk to Karen and Drew...they both should make a public appearance. Wouldn't that be interesting? My instincts tell me Karen is covering for somebody. Whether it is Clint, Drew or Dana, I don't know.
The screams occurred early on in the "incident" not towards the end (I had thought that at first). So its unlikely the suspect took Holly away, she screamed, then they came back to the house where Clint saw them some time after the screams. For whatever reason it is likely Holly screamed out behind the house when she was accosted and Clint (for whatever reason) did not hear it per se although it could have woken him up or contributed to him waking up.
I find the theory of a girl deliberately drawing blood and dribbling it around, screaming, dropping a soda can AND BEING SEEN WALKING OFF WITH A STRANGER to be an odd way to "disappear". And aside from Topix speculation and unfounded rumors there is zero evidence that Holly had any reason to "disappear" or any inclination to. And, again, if Holly voluntarily "disappeared" that does not explain various evidence (unnamed) collected in locations in the area like on the highway in front of Holly's school. There was also that piece of duct tape with blonde hair found on it that was never clarified. If she did disappear, who did she disappear with/to? Since it seems unlikely that any of her friends and family know where she went or went with. I don't see the family hiding or covering this up by quitting their job, dropping out of school, and spending a year looking for Holly if they knew this was a fake abduction. I would assume also that law enforcement would look into things like Holly's bank account (no activity?), log ins to sites like Facebook etc. It seems unlikely that she would leave with just the clothes on her back, leaving her prized car, money, clothes, everything, and then remain totally invisible for over a year.
Most planned disappearances like the Runaway Bride etc. fall apart pretty quick once the cops and FBI get involved. I can't think of any/many that are really successful.
JMO + only speculation follows
At this point, this is where I am at as well (highlighted above). Because based on the statements in the Jackson article where there was some sort of "disagreement" over hunting rights, I am leaning towards a theory that goes something like this.......
The first part of the theory is based on a rumor only. The rumor was that supposedly there was a breakup 3 days prior. That rumor is so critical in this theory because, if that rumor was true, then imagine the pain that he had with the breakup. Remember, it was stated they were together every night. So, to me, if that rumor is true, then I am thinking it was being taken very hard, like a total life disaster, like nothing else in the world matters now.
So, back to the theory (assuming rumor is true). I am thinking he arrived to hunt, and when he got confronted, he automatically thought that Holly had called over to the Grams house to purposely not allow him to hunt anymore (after the rumored breakup). Even if Holly never did this, it wouldn't matter, because he would have thought she was behind it. The "flurry of calls" was somebody beginning to freak out about this situation. The article is never clear that he got to hunt that morning, so I am assuming he immediately left and maybe had gone back to confront her and maybe even with the hope of getting back together. But, things went terribly wrong, and there was a skirmish, and maybe she accidentally hit her head on the concrete. I am thinking its possible he even offered her a ride to the hospital, but perhaps she passed away on the way, and then he really freaked out.
There was even a recent incident nearby there where a pastor punched someone, and the person fell and hit their head and died, so people can die by hitting their head on the concrete, as that does happen. This situation may have only been a skirmish and maybe she slipped + fell trying to get away from him or something along those lines.
If something like this occurred, and maybe the person even went to talk with Karen after the fact and admitted to everything and was deeply sorry for what occurred, so then a coverup-of sorts began because they care deeply for him as well, and dont want him getting into any trouble.
I realize this is all speculation, but I could see something like this occurring. His absolute total non-appearance in any interviews or statements just makes no sense to me, except to give more ammunition to this theory.
This was similar to my thoughts early on. The calls over permission to hunt on the property stuck out to me. My experience with rural/hunting property owners is they are VERY possessive, even among families.
I hadn't heard the initial rumor of a break up so I thought it might have been a relative (uncle, cousin) that came by ticked off that Holly was giving permission to others to hunt on family land. She possibly sassed him, got smacked, drops of blood, he walked her to the woods to calm her down or give her a talking to over respect. During that walk either he became more violent and hurt her or he made her get into the car to go talk to her mom/grandma/whomever over her letting people hunt on what he thinks is rightfully his or is going to be his property. Then, in the vehicle violence escalates.
This could explain Clint calling Mom- "hey mom uncle so and so is over here talking to holly." Mom has talked to him/holly on the phone during the flurry of calls so knows he is pissed and if he is her blood relative knows he is violent. Maybe on the phone during the calls he threatens "if I see her, or I'll teach her a lesson". So when Clint calls she freaks. This could also explain mom and clint's ever changing vague stories and why dad always has his lips pursed shut and won't speak in recent interviews. They don't want to implicate a family member. Iirc, I thought in one of the versions Clint did say he thought the camo man was a relative?
It also could explain why Drew has been invisible. He knows so and so probably took her but doesn't want to put himself in the situation where he will have to lie to the public. And maybe he feels guilty because he was the reason for the possible altercation.
Then searches stop because of the call on Easter. This could have been the relative perp, or grandma, or other relative who tells Karen to zip it.
LE knows a relative was involved but doesn't have proof and, if I gather correctly for all the posters who don't think highly of the tenn LE, LE thinks "hey, this is a family matter, we'll back off then.".
Whew. If you read all that you are dedicated to this case . Of course this is MOO and only explains some of the crazy behavior of the family.
Ps First photo of Drew, tmk, since December,was posted on fb Friday. (On big bro's fb page.)
Clarification- I don't know anything about the relatives or even who was upset about the use of the property. This was just a scenario revolving around the property use calls.
I feel like :seeya: hey family-we are here and desperate for news and info about Holly...how can we help?
But I don't think anyone would answer...
The trouble with creating detailed, complicated theories based on unsubstantiated rumors is that they tend to contradict common sense and the few known details in the case.
The trouble with creating detailed, complicated theories based on unsubstantiated rumors is that they tend to contradict common sense and the few known details in the case.
Just follow the story about the Darden Pastor who cold-c*cked the father of the bride. You will see how LE works in the Deep South. Pastors and Sheriffs are tight. They keep their communities run the way they want them to run. I bet the church/pastor receives and handles some of the monies collected from this case....and there was a lot of it.
This case reeks of a cover-up. Any LE in the country would be able to figure out this case when they arrive within 10 minutes of a crime and there is an eye witness. Are you kidding me?
I agree that it does sometimes happen that way and I also believe that this. . .However people have disappeared on their own,
for their own reasons before. Usually they are found, but sometimes its years later. . .