TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #3

[susan1122]

If he thinks one or both of the girls is his...either he had an affair with Joann at some point, or he is delusional, right? What other answer can there be?

Besides the obvious (what is going on now), is there evidence that he was delusional/deranged in the past?

I wonder if he is more sinister than delusional. Lying that he thought the girls were his, instead of really believing it. A thought occurred to me. If he is as arrogant and self centered as his brother JLM says, maybe he was angry that TM couldn't have kids. Maybe, to prove his manhood, he said the girls were his. This wouldn't explain way he kidnapped them though. But it could be a complicated mixture of delusion, arrogance, drugs and evil......sociopathy.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Hi all, still trying to catch up! This thread moves fast and furious lol.

I really think the media is almost hurting this case more than anything by releasing half truths and missinformation. So annoying!

What ever happened with the 1% biker gang theory? I felt like they may have helped him in the beginning but stopped after the id's on the bodies were confirmed.

I'd have to see some more proof of having biker associations instead of him just being a want a be biker. From what we have got so far on him, I don't think the bikers would want him either.

 

[jjenny]

Delusions? He apparently didn't have delusions that the older girl was his. And of course she ended up dead.

 

[JeannieC]

This case makes me sick on so many levels!!! Just got home and trying to catch up to a nightmare. I live in South Carolina and I have looked at every vehicle on the road, today and tonight, trying to find these two little girls who need someone to hug them and make them feel safe. I can't even stand to think about how they feel right now - it drives me insane. How the HE!! does AM think he can murder their Mother and sister, and then just march off into the future with them, and they will be cool with that? How the HE!! does TM think she will benefit by helping her EX-HUSBAND with the kidnapping and murder of a FAMILY!!!!!!??? I just want to bash my head into a wall trying to understand this. I can't understand this. I can't stomach this. I want to put a bullet in AM SO BAD!!!! I want those little girls to be found NOW!!!!! I could just scream about now. :banghead:

Don't hold back..........tell us what you really think! :Banane39:

 

[GrainneDhu]

Well, one thing for sure, he wasn't running with two little girls ages 8 & 12 like Adam is currently doing, IF he is still running with them, or no one is running at all!

Dylan Groene was 9 years old and Shasta was 8 years old when Joseph Duncan was holding them hostage in the woods.

I think having two children hostage might actually be easier than one because AM could threaten the well being of one child to keep the other child in line. And I doubt he's terribly concerned about giving them good nutritious meals and snacks or making sure they are sleeping in warm, dry beds...

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree with you.

I also think, which is more likely? "My wife and three daughters have been abducted by a crazy man that I've known as a family member for more than 20 years and two of them are already dead!!!" or "Jo Ann ran away..."

Lots of women run away, some with other men. Comparatively few women are abducted with their three children.

Maybe I'm just too easy going but my first thoughts would not have jumped to abduction and mayhem but to a voluntary disappearance.

For all we know, GB did call AM and AM lied in a very convincing manner. Something along the lines of "Nope, I haven't seen Jo Ann or the girls... I thought you and I were leaving for Arizona tomorrow, so I came back home to get some stuff. I woke up early, couldn't sleep, so I left early. I didn't see anyone."

Funny thing, my first thoughts WOULD have been abduction and mayhem, not necessarily with the "crazy man that I've known as a family member", though. I would never think a member of my family simply ran away. Spousey would tell me in no uncertain terms "I'm outta here!"

 

[Ladylub]

I am an ugly woman and have facial disfigurement to boot.

My personal life experience tells me that ugly women in this society are basically invisible. No one with any manners wants to stare and males who feel free to ogle any woman they see just don't ogle ugly women. So there's active avoidance on the part of most people for looking at ugly women.

If the FBI is correct and AM is on foot, I doubt he's disguised as a woman. But if he's travelling, then disguising himself as an ugly woman is probably the best way he could possibly pick to go unnoticed.

First stop saying you are ugly. Feel good about yourself the way you are. Hard lesson to learn and for me it is taking me till after having kids to see that Im very hard on myself. I raise both my kids to not question what others think of them only to do it myself. My 4 and 6 yr old are quick to tell me to stop worrying about others and they use my line, " Do you like your clothes, hair etc ( whatever they are worried about)?, Do you think and feel you look good?, Then stop worrying about everyone else."

And while men might turn the other way and not look, a female will look and pick every part of her out that they find odd. I have to say I would remember a tall woman like that especially since Im only 4'8.

 

[Thinker Belle]

I have been following this case and praying for the safe return of those children. How terrified they must be to know their mom and sis are dead and their fate lies in the hands of the killer. I'm so thankful this case is getting all of the attention it has garnered, increasing the chances the perp is found along with the girls. Just a matter of time.. PLEASE let them be alive and unhurt..

 

[epiphany]

I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?

Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.

 

[Muckrucker]

Has anyone done the math yet on all the charges against TM? Six felony counts in the case - two first-degree murder charges and four especially aggravated kidnapping charges.

Off to look those up.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I agree with you.

I also think, which is more likely? "My wife and three daughters have been abducted by a crazy man that I've known as a family member for more than 20 years and two of them are already dead!!!" or "Jo Ann ran away..."

Lots of women run away, some with other men. Comparatively few women are abducted with their three children.

Maybe I'm just too easy going but my first thoughts would not have jumped to abduction and mayhem but to a voluntary disappearance.

For all we know, GB did call AM and AM lied in a very convincing manner. Something along the lines of "Nope, I haven't seen Jo Ann or the girls... I thought you and I were leaving for Arizona tomorrow, so I came back home to get some stuff. I woke up early, couldn't sleep, so I left early. I didn't see anyone."

I agree, this is most likely how it happened or something close to it. I have a feeling that AM had a story for GB and LE in the beginning to hold them off and it did work for a little while unfortunately.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Respectfully BBM.

Teresa M has been charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder plus two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping.

When and if I learn that TM is in the educable or borderline intellectual range, I likely would/will be willing to cut her a break. When and if I learn that TM has a mental issue which involves hallucinations, delusions, etc., I would/will be willing to cut her a break.

Emotional disabilities, poor self-esteem, poor reasoning abilities and/or learning differences will not let Teresa off the hook.

Not saying she should be let off the hook. Simply saying she may not be evil incarnate as some would have us believe. Speaking from knowing several people who, when off their meds, do really stupid things, including, but not limited to, nearly starving themselves by forgetting they need to eat, and making passes at their best friends wives.

 

[GrainneDhu]

If he thinks one or both of the girls is his...either he had an affair with Joann at some point, or he is delusional, right? What other answer can there be?

Besides the obvious (what is going on now), is there evidence that he was delusional/deranged in the past?

Or he was telling a cold blooded lie to camouflage the true nature of his interest in the girls.

I notice that the people who are saying that AM was claiming that he was the biological father of one or both girls seem like people unlikely to actually come into contact with GB or JB.

I think he was a very slick abuser; one characteristic of such abusers is that they try to keep the people in their lives in separate compartments. It was probably easier because he lived 80 miles away from the Bains.

ETA: And even if those people that AM had claimed to be the biological father of one or both girls did know GB and JB, how likely was it that they would bring up such a delicate subject with them? My mind boggles: "hey, Gary and Jo Ann, do you have an open marriage or what? AM told me he's A and K's biological father but the two of you seem so happy together..."

I think that if AM was lying, he knew darn well there was little to no chance of his claims coming to GB or JB's ears.

 

[KALI]

Knew where he was planning on hiding?
Maybe now that they've been arrested he's changed his original plan?

I am still blown away that his wife and Mother participated in the killing of a 14 year old.
I hope they rot in prision forever/ for what they have done.

This is a horror movie that has not even been yet!

I swear, I am even MORE angry at his mother and his wife then him.
I hope the judicial system hits them with ALL they've got.
Dispicable.

 

[CrankyAngel]

Haven't seen this posted yet, sorry if I missed it. This case gets more and more disturbing.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/09/mayes-neighbor-says-suspect-wanted-viagra

"NEED TO KNOW
Neighbor says Adam Mayes offered $10 a pill for Viagra
Neighbor: Mayes 'made it loud and clear' to everyone in town that he and his wife did not sleep in same bed
Says victims were at Mayes’ home 'all the time'"

 

[GrainneDhu]

My CNN.com homepage doesn't even show it at all. I have to go to the Justice tab to find anything about it. My msmnbc.com has it buried in the list of "other top stories". If you aren't in the area it happened (AZ probably has something, too), it's not big front page news. It's kind of buried with "Terror Group May Have More Underwear Bombs."

You (and the other people who can't find the story on their usual newsfeeds) are probably victims of "bubbling."

Bubbling is where various sites gather and pool personal information about you and then give you the results they think you want rather than the straight-up unfiltered results. So they keep you contained in your own little bubble... which may or may not suit you.

Just your IP address can be used to peg your general geographical location, unless you use a service like TOR.

The problem with TOR is that it is very good at concealing your identity but it is slooooow.

 

[tiredblondy]

I tend to agree with you. I guess in order to look at the facts without emotion, a woman with a special ed diploma and/or a low IQ with emotional and mental problems would be an easy mark for someone who likes to have subservient females around them. I think I will save judgement on her until I know more. What kind of woman would allow her husband to go spend time with another woman or the children knowing that he has a thing for them? One that is under the man's control. No woman that hasn't been either beaten or drugged into submission would allow her man to go romance other females, much less abuse children. She is either borderline mentally retarded, or she is controlled in another way. I don't believe she would have gone and done this all on her own without being told what to do by AM. She deserves the punishment she will receive. We just don't know enough to be the jury. MOO Do we know if she could have stopped him? Would he have killed her too? Then again, how do we know that she didn't kill JB in a fit of jealous rage and is conveniently blaming hubby for it? I've missed a lot today, so ya'll steer me back the right way if I am way off track here.

Wise wise words, MaryJane. I totally agree. Women with no mental challenges can be totally controlled by and subservient to abusive men. We've seen it here over and over.

Others who question why didn't she stop him, etc there are many here who have explained to us why and what they themselves have been through in abusive situations.

I said in an earlier post I did not believe some of the things that were said about her. If Moma (MM) favored AM as much as AM's brother said then TM was definitely the lowest one on the totem pole in that house.

I am definitely reserving judgement on her.

 

[Muckrucker]

Teresa is facing:

* 4 counts of Especially Aggravated Kidnapping in TN - which has the following sentencing guidelines:

(1) Class A felony, not less than fifteen (15) nor more than sixty (60) years. In addition, the jury may assess a fine not to exceed fifty thousand dollars ($50,000), unless otherwise provided by statute;

Definition of Especially Aggravated Kidnapping

39-13-305 - Especially Aggravated Kidnapping —



(a) Especially aggravated kidnapping is false imprisonment, as defined in § 39-13-302:

(1) Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;

(2) Where the victim was under the age of thirteen (13) at the time of the removal or confinement;

(3) Committed to hold the victim for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage; or

(4) Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury.

(b) (1) Especially aggravated kidnapping is a Class A felony.

(2) If the offender voluntarily releases the victim alive or voluntarily provides information leading to the victim's safe release, such actions shall be considered by the court as a mitigating factor at the time of sentencing.

Teresa is also facing 2 First Degree Murder charges:

39-13-202. First degree murder.
(a) First degree murder is:
(1) A premeditated and intentional killing of another;
(2) A killing of another committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any first degree murder, act of terrorism, arson, rape, robbery, burglary, theft, kidnapping, aggravated child abuse, aggravated child neglect, rape of a child, aggravated rape of a child or aircraft piracy; or
(3) A killing of another committed as the result of the unlawful throwing, placing or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.
(b) No culpable mental state is required for conviction under subdivision (a)(2) or (a)(3), except the intent to commit the enumerated offenses or acts in those subdivisions.
(c) A person convicted of first degree murder shall be punished by:
(1) Death;
(2) Imprisonment for life without possibility of parole; or
(3) Imprisonment for life.
(d) As used in subdivision (a)(1), “premeditation” is an act done after the exercise of reflection and judgment. “Premeditation” means that the intent to kill must have been formed prior to the act itself. It is not necessary that the purpose to kill pre-exist in the mind of the accused for any definite period of time. The mental state of the accused at the time the accused allegedly decided to kill must be carefully considered in order to determine whether the accused was sufficiently free from excitement and passion as to be capable of premeditation.

I don't think TM is going to be seeing the great outdoors for a very, very, very long time. for her 'first brush with the law', she sure started with a bang...

 

[tiredblondy]

Or he was telling a cold blooded lie to camouflage the true nature of his interest in the girls.

I notice that the people who are saying that AM was claiming that he was the biological father of one or both girls seem like people unlikely to actually come into contact with GB or JB.

I think he was a very slick abuser; one characteristic of such abusers is that they try to keep the people in their lives in separate compartments. It was probably easier because he lived 80 miles away from the Bains.

And they keep the abused one's under their control by isolating them as much as possible.

 

[Seek&Find]

Not saying she should be let off the hook. Simply saying she may not be evil incarnate as some would have us believe. Speaking from knowing several people who, when off their meds, do really stupid things, including, but not limited to, nearly starving themselves by forgetting they need to eat, and making passes at their best friends wives.

Not quite equivalent to actively participating in the preplanned abduction of children and the murder of one child and one family friend, assisting in transportation of the bodies (one probably drove JB's vehicle to hide it, one theirs, so she could've taken off to get help), and keeping said children captive.

I worked for years with special ed, learning disabled, mentally troubled and at-risk youth. Differently abled does not equate to lacking a conscience. Moo but the posts defending TM and suspecting GB are offensive and distracting. Two little terrified girls are being held captive.