TN TN - Karen Swift, 44, Dyersburg, 30 Oct 2011 - #2

[belimom]

Karen Swift Missing Mom of 4
The POWER of Prayer works. Prayers were not able to bring Karen home because it was not possible. Prayers should be able to bring whomever did this to Karen to justice. It is all in God's hands and no matter what, there are two Judgement days. Please pray for Knowledge and Guidance for Law Enforcement as well as for Family and Friends for resolution, comfort, strength, and for Justice on Earth to the Monster within whomever did this

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Karen-Swift-Missing-Mom-of-4/267691069942366

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Interesting that the wording has now changed. I wonder if the first message revealed more than they were supposed to...?

It now says "have not been able to bring Karen home" instead of "were not able", etc.

 

[otto]

Reports from articles linked to this site also referred to the tires (as in, more than one) as 'split'. Wonder what that means, and how it happened.

A private investigator, Bill Warner, from Florida was quoted as saying that bodies left in cemetaries may throw off the cadaver dogs. moo

He also said that since March, 2011 four female bodies have been dumped in Mt. Carmel Cemetary in Memphis, TN. He's trying to draw a parallel between several missing women, including Karen Swift, and a serial killer.

IMO, this case does not appear related to those. I could be wrong. moo

Aren't those other women prostitutes?

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Revisiting the timelime, Karen returned home with her daughter(s) at 1:30 AM. Most likely, after settling the girls into bed (give that 20-30 minutes), she got up again. It's possible that her husband was up at this time as well.

That leaves from 2 - 5 AM to

- murder
- straighten up whatever was disturbed during the murder
- make sure the children were still sleeping
- move Karen to her car
- drive her to the location where she was found (possibly 3 miles away)
- move her from the car to a hidden area
- drive to where the car was found (1/4 mile from home)
- get rid of the clothes

Has there been any confirmation as to whether or not the husband knew the girls had been picked up early from the party? Maybe he thought he had more time to dispose and stage but after returning from body disposal he realized the girls were home and that is why her clothes were so strangely discarded? I hope this small window of opportunity caused the killer to make mistakes and leave evidence.

 

[otto]

Revisiting the timelime, Karen returned home with her daughter(s) at 1:30 AM. Most likely, after settling the girls into bed (give that 20-30 minutes), she got up again. It's possible that her husband was up at this time as well.

That leaves from 2 - 5 AM to

- murder
- straighten up whatever was disturbed during the murder
- make sure the children were still sleeping
- move Karen to her car
- drive her to the location where she was found (possibly 3 miles away)
- move her from the car to a hidden area
- drive to where the car was found (1/4 mile from home)
- get rid of the clothes

Has there been any confirmation as to whether or not the husband knew the girls had been picked up early from the party? Maybe he thought he had more time to dispose and stage but after returning from body disposal he realized the girls were home and that is why her clothes were so strangely discarded? I hope this small window of opportunity caused the killer to make mistakes and leave evidence.

According to Karen's brother (I think) the husband said he spoke to Karen from the top of the stairs ... so he should have known that the girls had come home.

 

[EllaMae]

I sure hope so ... talking heads come up with some really odd ideas at times, but suggesting that a serial killer is at work because a few missing women dye their hair blond is one of the strangest.

Actually that's not all that strange. Some serial killers do have a specific type that they are attracted to....such as Ted Bundy. He preferred girls with long brown hair parted in the middle, and almost all of his known victims fit that description. Apparently they reminded him of his ex girlfriend who initially broke up with him. Later on he reconnected with her and then dumped her in a very hurtful way as revenge. He harbored a lot of anger,and he directed it towards that young woman, and his victims who resembled her in some way.

 

[tarabull]

Aren't those other women prostitutes?

yes...

 

[LindaG]

Aren't those other women prostitutes?

Which is why I do not see it as related. It seems like an odd coincidence, or as Panthera suggested, "trying to stage the scene to make it appear someone else committed this crime".

 

[LindaG]

Revisiting the timelime, Karen returned home with her daughter(s) at 1:30 AM. Most likely, after settling the girls into bed (give that 20-30 minutes), she got up again. It's possible that her husband was up at this time as well.

That leaves from 2 - 5 AM to

- murder
- straighten up whatever was disturbed during the murder
- make sure the children were still sleeping
- move Karen to her car
- drive her to the location where she was found (possibly 3 miles away)
- move her from the car to a hidden area
- drive to where the car was found (1/4 mile from home)
- get rid of the clothes

Has there been any confirmation as to whether or not the husband knew the girls had been picked up early from the party? Maybe he thought he had more time to dispose and stage but after returning from body disposal he realized the girls were home and that is why her clothes were so strangely discarded? I hope this small window of opportunity caused the killer to make mistakes and leave evidence.

It was reported earlier that when Karen came home she spoke to her husband on the downstairs landing (Otto will remember that). He would have seen then that the daughter had been picked up and borught home by Karen. moo

 

[otto]

Which is why I do not see it as related. It seems like an odd coincidence, or as Panthera suggested, "trying to stage the scene to make it appear someone else committed this crime".

Suggesting that there is a serial killer on the loose because 5 women that dye their hair blond are missing seems ridiculous ... since most women dye their hair blond at some point in their lives. Suggesting that because 5 women were found in or near a cemetery, they were all killed by the same person seems equally ridiculous. There has to be more to connect the victims than the color of their hair or the type of place where they were found. For example, if 30 women are found murdered in their homes, is there a serial killer on the loose? It's simply not enough to draw conclusions ... and the PI from Florida obviously didn't do his homework when he suggested that Karen's disappearance could be connected to four murdered prostitutes from some other place.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

It was reported earlier that when Karen came home she spoke to her husband on the downstairs landing (Otto will remember that). He would have seen then that the daughter had been picked up and borught home by Karen. moo

So if this is true, perhaps he had planned to kill her and decided to go thru with the plan even with a potential witness (daughter now home for night). For me, the fact that he and Karen were supposed to be home alone that night is significant. I also believe that after she was dead he realized how limited he was by the tight window for "cleanup" and perhaps why what we know is so strange. I think if someone other then the husband had killed her that her body (assuming this is Karen) would have been found farther away.

 

[panthera]

Which is why I do not see it as related. It seems like an odd coincidence, or as Panthera suggested, "trying to stage the scene to make it appear someone else committed this crime".

Having some facet of the crime bearing similarity to another crime isn't beyond the realm of possibility to throw investigators in the wrong direction. However, for them to connect the crimes, there would have to be more than the location where a body is disposed of to make that connection, such as the manner in which the murders were committed, specifics on how the bodies were left, and something that LE generally doesn't release about the crime scene.

MOO

 

[panthera]

So if this is true, perhaps he had planned to kill her and decided to go thru with the plan even with a potential witness (daughter now home for night). For me, the fact that he and Karen were supposed to be home alone that night is significant. I also believe that after she was dead he realized how limited he was by the tight window for "cleanup" and perhaps why what we know is so strange. I think if someone other then the husband had killed her that her body (assuming this is Karen) would have been found farther away.

Also, if a random stranger had abducted and killed her, I believe it is more likely that the clothing (again assuming the clothing previously found was Karen's) and body would be at the same location.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Do we even know for sure she was found in a cemetery, or partially or fully buried?

 

[LindaG]

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As I recall, DS (David Swift) called Karen's friends and asked if she was there with them, or if they knew where she was, and they notified LE. Also that family members were notified later in the day.

I'm not saying that DS did or did not say that, but the guilty party often tries to disparage the victim in some way, so it is credible.

It is interesting that the body may have been found based on a tip.

 

[otto]

Do we even know for sure she was found in a cemetery, or partially or fully buried?

Nope. Local rumors are that she was found at or near the cemetery, possibly between the cemetery and the Tornado Memorial Cross. We also don't know if she was buried. Hopefully that information will be released soon.

 

[dovebar]

As I recall, DS (David Swift) called Karen's friends and asked if she was there with them, or if they knew where she was, and they notified LE. Also that family members were notified later in the day.

I'm not saying that DS did or did not say that, but the guilty party often tries to disparage the victim in some way, so it is credible.

It is interesting that the body may have been found based on a tip.

It reminds of discussion on the Rebecca Zahau thread that 911 callers who turn out to be the perpetrator often say something revealing, like something disparaging about the victim, even while pretending to call for help.

 

[ThoughtFox]

As I recall, DS (David Swift) called Karen's friends and asked if she was there with them, or if they knew where she was, and they notified LE. Also that family members were notified later in the day.

I'm not saying that DS did or did not say that, but the guilty party often tries to disparage the victim in some way, so it is credible.

It is interesting that the body may have been found based on a tip.

The cemetary idea came originally from a remark a local made in the MSM:

Police blocked off a large portion of Harness Road near Highway 78 for most of Saturday afternoon and night. That is where they found a decomposed body near the home of missing Dyer County mother Karen Swift.

Many residents were left wondering what was going on.

"I heard Karen Swift was found at the graveyard up here on Bledsoe," said resident Madeline Mann.


http://www.kait8.com/story/16297845/body-found-off-of-highway-79



And confirmed by MyFox13:

Dyer County Sheriff Jeff Box says they recovered an unidentified body in tall weeds near Bledsoe Cemetery, off Harness Road in Dyersburg early Saturday afternoon.

"Frost and winter conditions killed the vegetation, making the body visible within a few feet," said Box.

Harness Road is off Highway 78.

Crime scene tape was still draped around the weeded area on Sunday, marking the spot where the body was recovered.

Before the vegetation was eliminated, Box said, "no one could've seen the body from where it was at."

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/body-found-in-dyersburg-rpt-20111211

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Not sure if this is ok to post but on the Karen Swift FB page it has been stated that LE told Karen's mother that the remains found are indeed Karen. Devastating.

 

[RabidBadger]

Not sure if this is ok to post but on the Karen Swift FB page it has been stated that LE told Karen's mother that the remains found are indeed Karen. Devastating.

Awful. RIP Karen. At least she is found and her family can grieve. If her husband did this, he is a monster. Those poor kids.

 

[hollyblue]

It 's truly odd if her husband was responsible that she would be found only 3 miles away and right off the route to their home; unless time constraints may have been a factor.

I'm sorry I haven't been following this case as closely as I would have liked and was taken away by the finding of Gail Palmgren's jeep...and the not good conclusion. I'm just so tired...and dismayed at how people think there is no other alternative than taking another human being's life. WTH is happening to people? It just seems so epidemic anymore.

RIP Karen.