TN TN - Karen Swift, 44, Dyersburg, 30 Oct 2011 - #2

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otto said:
November temperatures look cold enough to keep a body from decomposing too quickly ... not like in Florida.

If she was in a shallow grave, that would have to fit in the timeline and there would be somewhat muddy clothes or shoes in or around the house. If she was in a shallow grave, there's little chance this was done by a random, opportunistic stranger that coincidentally stumbled across her path, murdered her, hid her clothes, turned off her phone and took the time to bury her in or near a cemetery ... definitely not a random stranger murder.
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Agree. A random opportunistic stranger likely would have left her body at the crime scene, i.e. not far from where her disabled car was found, and not far from where the clothing (assuming it was Karen's) was found. The only exception to this, however, would be if for some reason she had been kept alive for some time afterward. I do not think that is the case as I still cannot envision a scenario where she would have left the house so early in the morning intending to drive somewhere. And even if she had, she would have been able to walk home from where the car had the flat tire.

MOO
 
panthera said:
Agree. A random opportunistic stranger likely would have left her body at the crime scene, i.e. not far from where her disabled car was found, and not far from where the clothing (assuming it was Karen's) was found. The only exception to this, however, would be if for some reason she had been kept alive for some time afterward. I do not think that is the case as I still cannot envision a scenario where she would have left the house so early in the morning intending to drive somewhere. And even if she had, she would have been able to walk home from where the car had the flat tire.

MOO
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Agreed. I think the crimescene is the home. MOO

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TxLady2 said:
Where are we getting that she was in a shallow grave? Sorry, haven't read all the articles because links didn't work on most, but if workmen found the body, they wouldn't have been digging in the ground to look for it, would they? She may have been partially concealed in some woods for all we know.

Random killers don't usually take the time to bury their victims, they will dump the body in the woods and sometimes cover it with leaves. But spouses will do everything they can to hide the body, either bury it or throw it in a lake or river. If she was on top of the ground, not in a grave... my guess is the husband didn't do it. He would not want her to be found so easily.
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Good thoughts, however, if the husband were attempting to stage a crime scene with a disabled vehicle, clothes found nearby, etc. he could also leave the body somewhere to make it appear a random stranger (or someone other than himself) committed the crime. Some spouses have even left the bodies inside the home where they were killed, i.e. Chris Coleman and Neil Entwistle.

MOO
 
~n/t~ said:
I don't understand the delay in identifying the body. I realize it was decomposed but with DNA the process shouldn't take 3 - 4 days. In the article Tara posted it says Monday OR Tuesday?
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An article released last night also stated they were going to use Karen's dental records for determination.


MOO
 
~n/t~ said:
I don't understand the delay in identifying the body. I realize it was decomposed but with DNA the process shouldn't take 3 - 4 days. In the article Tara posted it says Monday OR Tuesday?
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My impression is that the coroner doesn't work on Sunday ... which seems quite reasonable. The examination will be conducted on Monday and the results will be available Monday evening or Tuesday. I don't think that's any longer than normal.
 
panthera said:
Good thoughts, however, if the husband were attempting to stage a crime scene with a disabled vehicle, clothes found nearby, etc. he could also leave the body somewhere to make it appear a random stranger (or someone other than himself) committed the crime. Some spouses have even left the bodies inside the home where they were killed, i.e. Chris Coleman and Neil Entwistle.

MOO
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The "random stranger" abduction story is that Karen was driving along Millsfield Hwy and had a flat tire. Why she was driving on the road between 2 and 5 AM is not explained. Rather than run the 1/4 mile home, she stayed with the flat tire until a random murderer happened to come along. The random murderer grabbed her, then took some clothes, whether she was wearing them or they were in her car, and hid them under a bush some distance from the car. After hiding the clothes, he got into his vehicle with Karen and turned onto the residential road where Karen lived ... I would expect the random murderer to continue heading down Millsfield Hwy, but okay, this random murderer wants to remain close to Karen's home and neighborhood. The murderer drove 2-3 miles along Harness Road until he came to the large cross at the memorial, turned right, headed down towards the cemetery and at that location, she was murdered and hidden. The random murderer then vanished into thin air, and we are left wondering what Karen's car is doing on the side of the road in the first place.
 
otto said:
The "random stranger" abduction story is that Karen was driving along Millsfield Hwy and had a flat tire. Why she was driving on the road between 2 and 5 AM is not explained. Rather than run the 1/4 mile home, she stayed with the flat tire until a random murderer happened to come along. The random murderer grabbed her, then took some clothes, whether she was wearing them or they were in her car, and hid them under a bush some distance from the car. After hiding the clothes, he got into his vehicle with Karen and turned onto the residential road where Karen lived ... I would expect the random murderer to continue heading down Millsfield Hwy, but okay, this random murderer wants to remain close to Karen's home and neighborhood. The murderer drove 2-3 miles along Harness Road until he came to the large cross at the memorial, turned right, headed down towards the cemetery and at that location, she was murdered and hidden. The random murderer then vanished into thin air, and we are left wondering what Karen's car is doing on the side of the road in the first place.
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Doesn't make much sense, does it? What does make sense, however, is someone close to her murdered her and staged the scene including a flat tire on the car to make it appear something happened to her after her car broke down, and we are supposed to forever wonder why she was out there in the first place. Hopefully they didn't do a good job and LE will be able to make an arrest shortly after her body is identified.

MOO
 
I would guess that if somehow this ISNT Karen, they will know tomorrow...but to confirm for sure may take a day longer...JMO
 
Reports from articles linked to this site also referred to the tires (as in, more than one) as 'split'. Wonder what that means, and how it happened.

A private investigator, Bill Warner, from Florida was quoted as saying that bodies left in cemetaries may throw off the cadaver dogs. moo

He also said that since March, 2011 four female bodies have been dumped in Mt. Carmel Cemetary in Memphis, TN. He's trying to draw a parallel between several missing women, including Karen Swift, and a serial killer.

IMO, this case does not appear related to those. I could be wrong. moo
 
Wow - been away a few days, come back and KS appears to be found. Most anxious to find out if it is really KS, especially with Holly going missing not too far away, though don't like saying that.
The burial in a cemetery is strange, either ritualistic, (not sure if it would really throw off tracking dogs) or some sort of respect, as one might do for the mother of his children... (but that's nuts, since first you kill and then you show respect!? - crazy!)
 
LindaG said:
Reports from articles linked to this site also referred to the tires (as in, more than one) as 'split'. Wonder what that means, and how it happened.

A private investigator, Bill Warner, from Florida was quoted as saying that bodies left in cemetaries may throw off the cadaver dogs. moo

He also said that since March, 2011 four female bodies have been dumped in Mt. Carmel Cemetary in Memphis, TN. He's trying to draw a parallel between several missing women, including Karen Swift, and a serial killer.

IMO, this case does not appear related to those. I could be wrong. moo
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It could also be that the perpetrator knows of these other women's bodies being dumped in that cemetery and again, is trying to stage the scene to make it appear someone else committed this crime. That is, if indeed it is true that this body is Karen's and was found in a cemetery.

MOO
 
panthera said:
It could also be that the perpetrator knows of these other women's bodies being dumped in that cemetery and again, is trying to stage the scene to make it appear someone else committed this crime. That is, if indeed it is true that this body is Karen's and was found in a cemetery.

MOO
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Indeed, maybe whoever did this got the idea from the women in the Memphis graveyard. Or, he was trying to be respectful to the body so he put it in the graveyard, which implies a sense of remorse. OR . . . he knew it would throw off the cadaver dogs.

I think proximity to the home is a huge clue in this case. It wouldn't even take that long to drive someone 5 minutes away to a graveyard, carry the body across the field to the tree line, and pile fallen leaves on top of it. Possibly no digging involved. And it was early Sunday morning, so not many people were out driving to work (unless LE have some witnesses we know nothing about).

I don't buy the whole random stranger abduction theory. Why would a stranger be lurking around on that country road in the middle of the night within sight of a farmhouse? Why would a stranger be lurking around her house? We know they had a dog and there were other dogs in the neighborhood.

I think we have to look at who had a motive and opportunity. Who was there, and who knew the area? Who had a reason to harm this woman?
 
ThoughtFox said:
Indeed, maybe whoever did this got the idea from the women in the Memphis graveyard. Or, he was trying to be respectful to the body so he put it in the graveyard, which implies a sense of remorse. OR . . . he knew it would throw off the cadaver dogs.

I think proximity to the home is a huge clue in this case. It wouldn't even take that long to drive someone 5 minutes away to a graveyard, carry the body across the field to the tree line, and pile fallen leaves on top of it. Possibly no digging involved. And it was early Sunday morning, so not many people were out driving to work (unless LE have some witnesses we know nothing about).

I don't buy the whole random stranger abduction theory. Why would a stranger be lurking around on that country road in the middle of the night within sight of a farmhouse? Why would a stranger be lurking around her house? We know they had a dog and there were other dogs in the neighborhood.

I think we have to look at who had a motive and opportunity. Who was there, and who knew the area? Who had a reason to harm this woman?
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Agree, I don't buy the random stranger theory either, especially on an early Sunday morning when Karen wouldn't even be expected to be out on the road. And again, if indeed it is Karen's body which was found, I don't think the perpetrator was being respectful by leaving it there, but rather it was a place of convenience, possibly with the intent to copy the serial killer. If this body was so readily found, it's my belief it wasn't in a shallow grave, but merely covered with foliage that washed away with the rain.

MOO
 
panthera said:
Agree, I don't buy the random stranger theory either, especially on an early Sunday morning when Karen wouldn't even be expected to be out on the road. And again, if indeed it is Karen's body which was found, I don't think the perpetrator was being respectful by leaving it there, but rather it was a place of convenience, possibly with the intent to copy the serial killer. If this body was so readily found, it's my belief it wasn't in a shallow grave, but merely covered with foliage that washed away with the rain.

MOO
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Yes, I agree with you.
 
Karen Swift Missing Mom of 4
The POWER of Prayer works. Prayers were not able to bring Karen home because it was not possible. Prayers should be able to bring whomever did this to Karen to justice. It is all in God's hands and no matter what, there are two Judgement days. Please pray for Knowledge and Guidance for Law Enforcement as well as for Family and Friends for resolution, comfort, strength, and for Justice on Earth to the Monster within whomever did this

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Karen-Swift-Missing-Mom-of-4/267691069942366
 
ThoughtFox said:
Or, he was trying to be respectful to the body so he put it in the graveyard, which implies a sense of remorse.
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SBM

If there really is any "remorse" or "respect" for the body wouldn't that mean most likely it was an 'accident'? It does happen quite often during heated arguments but the perp hardly ever comes forward & instead hides the body & stages a crime scene..I guess they believe nobody will believe their story of the events? The problem with that is IF it really did happen that way all of their actions point away from that & the perp ends up getting charged & often convicted of a more serious 'crime'..I suppose it's really a no-win situation but what stinks the most (especially for the family) is they'll never know what really did happen to their loved one.
 
LindaG said:
He also said that since March, 2011 four female bodies have been dumped in Mt. Carmel Cemetary in Memphis, TN. He's trying to draw a parallel between several missing women, including Karen Swift, and a serial killer.
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SBM

Is there a link to these bodies dumped in that Memphis cemetary? TIA!
 
amysmom said:
SBM

Is there a link to these bodies dumped in that Memphis cemetary? TIA!
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I don't think I can post the link here. If you do a search for:

"Four female bodies dumped in mt. carmel cemetary, memphis, tn",

you should find several articles. The one I read was written by Phil Warner.
 
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