Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #14 *Arrest*

[MsArk]

It's just a sad and innocent image for me. I don't know why.

Very childlike. Agree.

 

[cshea99]

Personally, I find sharing the detail about Cialis distasteful. We already know ET was assaulted. Sharing the detail feels exploitative, especially knowing ET's sister is on these threads. ET has been exploited enough. We can make the connection in our own minds about what the last month has been like for her without sensationalizing the details. My opinion only. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this.

I hope ET is able to return home with the privacy and care she so desperately deserves. Hopefully Elizabeth Smart can be a shoulder for her privately as she heals from the mental mind games played on her.

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If it makes it any better...the document and comment about cialis I shared came from a Facebook group that was posted by the Admin and is run by the family.

 

[Coffeequeen]

I totally agree that they should receive the award.....however, I also believe that the brave 12 year old girl, who tried her best to prevent this from ever happening in the first place, should get a good portion of that money placed into a college fund for her future use!

Very good point! I totally agree.

 

[WVWoman]

OMG LOADED handguns!!!

Did you think they would find unloaded handguns?
Just a FYI mine are loaded but I'm not a criminal...so of course being what he is they would be loaded. Jmoo


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[BIC]

I am way behind on reading so I hope others have not answered this again and again. I have been a rape/sexual abuse counselor and sat in the room with many people who consented to do this exam. Even with full consent, the forensic rape exam is traumatic. It is invasive--vaginally, anally, and/or orally. The full body is scanned. Blood may be drawn to test for presence of drugs. There is a combing for public hairs. They are looking for any and all evidence. If there is bruising, the bruises are measured and/or photographed. The survivor is photographed. Camera with a photo capability takes internal photos of any genital injuries. All clothing is collected and bagged. Plan B may be given. STD medications are given prophylactically. HIV follow-ups would be done. Each of the medications are described with side effects and benefits. This process can take up to four hours.

I have been with survivors who just sob the whole time even though they are consenting. It is really a re-traumatizing even though it is a necessary process.

They may actually sedate a younger child to avoid further re-tauma.

The nurses and doctors I have worked with have always been kind, gentle, and professional but this is a devastating process for them as well.

My understanding is that she would need to consent. Even if her family consented and she refused, she might not have one done.

Thank you. This is a good explanation of what one would go through in such an exam. I can almost feel what it would be like. Great post.

 

[Treelights]

It's just a sad and innocent image for me. I don't know why.

Collecting fossils, rocks, and minerals is a hobby for me. Perhaps that's why I don't see the image in the same way. But I can definitely see how a person could perceive it in a different way than I do.

 

[Lilibet]

Personally, I find sharing the detail about Cialis distasteful. We already know ET was assaulted. Sharing the detail feels exploitative, especially knowing ET's sister is on these threads. ET has been exploited enough. We can make the connection in our own minds about what the last month has been like for her without sensationalizing the details. My opinion only. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this.

I hope ET is able to return home with the privacy and care she so desperately deserves. Hopefully Elizabeth Smart can be a shoulder for her privately as she heals from the mental mind games played on her.

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BBM

I'm with you on this and have already posted this about another item being discussed. I like to put myself in ET's or her family's shoes and not dissect these details that she may later read. She has no need to feel ashamed, but to have extremely private details discussed here could be embarrassing for her and just bugs me. Must be an age thing and it's not my call.
JMO

 

[Irishboy]

:shudder:

:jail:

Disgusting I knew there was stuff they bought they didn't want the public to know then

 

[dyannaON]

I hope Tads kids are ok. This cannot be easy for them. Im sure they are going through some mixed emotions. Im really glad this ended as well as this could.


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[Mercedes]

http://wkrn.com/2017/04/20/nissan-rogue-used-by-tad-cummins-found-in-northern-california/

Thomas appeared to be in good health at the time of the rescue. She will receive any care that she may possibly need.

Two loaded handguns were found in the cabin, along with other personal items belonging both to Cummins and Thomas. A couple stolen license plates were also found.

Also noted that Cummings told law enforcement officer that he was "glad this is over."

 

[Betty P]

Just to play devil's advocate here...when I read her comment I assumed it meant she knew him well enough to think he wouldn't kill her - that's all. She used the word "safe" because that's the word that LE and media used. Just another perspective, and I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think she was just as relieved as everyone else that authorities reported her "safe" and was commenting from that perspective, not that she was minimizing the effect this will have on the child.

You might want to do a Google search on her. She's one of those crazies who doesn't think it's possible for a woman to be raped if she doesn't want to be. Judging from what I've read from her remarks, I have a feeling she thinks the sex between Mary Catherine and her abductor was consensual and ok.

 

[BIC]

BBM

I'm with you on this and have already posted this about another item being discussed. I like to put myself in ET's or her family's shoes and not dissect these details that she may later read. She has no need to feel ashamed, but to have extremely private details discussed here could be embarrassing for her and just bugs me. Must be an age thing and it's not my call.
JMO

What would you like to discuss? I mean is this a sexually motivated crime or is it something else?

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I was thinking they were going to go to Alaska, but since he was looking for work it seems like he wanted to settle there. IMO

I agree, he was slowly venturing that way.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

I sure hope ET never reads this thread. Enough discussion of gel already! Let's give her privacy and dignity...please.

THIS! For heaven's sake, we all know the possible implications, no need for pages upon pages of debate over all the possible uses for KY Jelly. Please.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Barry said on Thursday that Cummins and Elizabeth showed up Tuesday. He agreed to help them after Cummins told him they had lost everything in a fire in Colorado and needed a place to stay.

Elizabeth gave Barry a different name, but otherwise didn’t talk, Barry said. Cummins did all the talking and said they had been at the Black Bear Ranch commune, but left because they didn’t like it there, according to Barry.

Hmm, would Black Bear even allow them there? I wonder...

MOO

 

[Whiteorchids]

No way will he get bail.

We would like to think that but I'm sure he will with no prior criminal history, perhaps wear un ankle bracelet but who would bail this guy out unless he uses the house as collateral or perhaps think he is a flight risk. They would take his passport if he has one.

 

[blue22]

Collecting fossils, rocks, and minerals is a hobby for me. Perhaps that's why I don't see the image in the same way. But I can definitely see how a person could perceive it in a different way than I do.

It's not the rock collecting. It's the fact that she was taken for a deviant motivated crime, on the run with a 50 year old teacher who took her...and collecting rocks. The images are in stark contrast. That's why it's sad to me. She SHOULD be collecting rocks, she's only 15. But she's only 15 and in those circumstances.

 

[Lilibet]

What would you like to discuss? I mean is this a sexually motivated crime or is it something else?

See below.

THIS! For heaven's sake, we all know the possible implications, no need for pages upon pages of debate over all the possible uses for KY Jelly. Please.

Thank you tlcya!!! I'm glad you get it.

 

[gitana1]

I haven't seen it, but I wish they'd shut it down.

That's horrible. I hope she doesn't see it. Can someone PM her sister? So they can prevent her from seeing it?

Unbelievable...The woman is an elected official in the state of TN, anyone who is an eligible voter in TN should contact this woman and let her know exactly how offensive her comment is.

Here's a bit more information about the woman.

Sheila Keckler Butt is an American politician from Columbia, Tennessee.[2][3] Butt is currently the Republican Majority Floor Leader of the Tennessee House of Representatives and she represents House District 64, encompassing the cities of Columbia, Mount Pleasant, and Spring Hill in parts of Maury County.

I apologize if this has already been said, I'm just now catching up on the story and that comment was too offensive to pass over. I'm fuming

I've been posting comments critical of her comments for awhile and they keep getting deleted. She is despicable.


Clear to me she thinks her friend is a good guy.


I'm astounded by how so many in that community are supportive of him and seem to view ET as a seductress. Sickening.

These statements that subtly support this man are absolutely ridiculous. He is an adult and was a teacher. If he felt that she needed help he had numerous other avenues that he could have pursued.

See above. It's making me insane!

TC became verbally judgemental of the lifestyle of the commune members and was asked to leave. Ha ha, wow.

What? Where are you seeing that? I am missing some detail. Anyone have a link for me? Wow. So crazy.

Of course there will be discussion of these items in the trial. That's hard enough, but expected. I just hope she doesn't ever read a thread like this with people discussing how it was or wasn't used. It just seems intrusive and unkind to me. But I guess that's just me. Carry on.

If we aren't to talk about the details of the case on here we might as well shut down the thread. We won't be able to talk about much.


Unfortunately, the abuse this poor kid is facing on her own social media and the indifference and tacit support of her predator by various adults and officials in her town, are going to have much more of an impact than this thread.


But I do share your queasiness about speculating as to what she went through, even though one of my posts is guilty of that and even though she has nothing to be ashamed of.


Luckily, most of the posts are about his state of mind rather than what he did to her.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. If that was all they had they would have waited to see what other evidence they could collect before bringing the charges. IMO

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Sorry guys, I just got to say this....
I cannot imagine a man being such a pervert that he has to go out and buy Cialis in order for "things to work." I mean why wouldn't he know he has these urges and has enough self control to NOT buy Cialis. I just don't get it.....

Also, HLN was saying TC had represented ET and him as married. HLN is now saying that they were emotionally close. They are saying he had ET wrapped around his finger.

One more thing, I have a sneaking suspicion that JC takes TC back.

I think she will take him back too. The general mentality of that bizarre town seems to be that he is a hero who was seduced by a kid and went crazy for awhile so he's not responsible for what she did to him.


It's really making me feel incredibly negative about that town/county.

Oh heck yea, the creeper is in the pokey and Elizabeth is safe.
Kudos Northern California and TBI for working together to bring her home safe.

Sharpen your 3 inch pencils, <modsnip - term not allowed here>, your going to need em for a long, long, long time, and your glad this is over? Pleassse spare me, you got caught with your hands and feet in the cookie jar, and your wings have been clipped.
Guess he just got fired from the CIA and FBI and he will probably try and use his monopoly money to pay for his defense. teeheehee

How many mentioned they could be at a Commune? Never underestimate a Websleuther! :loveyou:

What did I miss? Did he make a statement? Did he say he's glad this is over?

 

[gregjrichards]

Sorry guys, I just got to say this....
I cannot imagine a man being such a pervert that he has to go out and buy Cialis in order for "things to work." I mean why wouldn't he know he has these urges and has enough self control to NOT buy Cialis. I just don't get it.....

Also, HLN was saying TC had represented ET and him as married. HLN is now saying that they were emotionally close. They are saying he had ET wrapped around his finger.

One more thing, I have a sneaking suspicion that JC takes TC back.

I'd just like to point out some men use Cialis as medication for treatment in having an enlarged prostate causing urine leakage or other prostate problems. There is a misconception it's only use is for ED.

I'm glad this predator is in jail and Elizabeth is alive I hope she recovers from this ordeal and makes a successful future life. I hope he has the decency to plead guilty and saves Elizabeth from testifying against him.