Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #2

[lonetraveler]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/2016/01/19/still-search-and-rescue/79018538/ This article covers a comment about the concrete poured for the storm shelter. The concrete was reportedly poured two years ago.

I can see that there is a lot of talk about the concrete out there.

 

[krig101]

Also, LE will always say the family are co-operating etc.

RSBM

Yes they will. Seen it many times!



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[Missoni]

Hope to wake to some good news tomorrow. :grouphug:

 

[hey-Debbie]

I think they aren't commenting on the trail cameras because there is evidence on there and they are keeping it. And even if Noah wasn't seen in the trail cams, it doesn't mean he wasn't there. That could be argued. I would say maybe he was shorter than the camera was aimed at, but trail cameras are for wild life right? I guess they would be set up to show the floor of the forest so therefore it should pick up a lil shorty like Noah.

 

[TupeloMz]

If I were to take my grandchildren on a hike in the woods on our 80 acre property, the only game cameras that would pick us up is our own. Just saying..

 

[Sweetgrits]

Maybe this has been answered already but I couldn't find it. Why wouldn't Noah have shown up on the helicopters with infrared? If Noah was already deceased would that cause a negative find? What about if Noah was down inside a sink hole or tree hole, would the infrared have missed him? How long after a person is deceased would they be picked up on infrared.

TIA

 

[Tulessa]

Maybe this has been answered already but I couldn't find it. Why wouldn't Noah have shown up on the helicopters with infrared? If Noah was already deceased would that cause a negative find? What about if Noah was down inside a sink hole or tree hole, would the infrared have missed him? How long after a person is deceased would they be picked up on infrared.

TIA

Thermal or space blankets can block infrared. Not saying one was used, but....

 

[TupeloMz]

Maybe this has been answered already but I couldn't find it. Why wouldn't Noah have shown up on the helicopters with infrared? If Noah was already deceased would that cause a negative find? What about if Noah was down inside a sink hole or tree hole, would the infrared have missed him? How long after a person is deceased would they be picked up on infrared.

TIA

Good questions.

 

[margarita25]

Maybe this has been answered already but I couldn't find it. Why wouldn't Noah have shown up on the helicopters with infrared? If Noah was already deceased would that cause a negative find? What about if Noah was down inside a sink hole or tree hole, would the infrared have missed him? How long after a person is deceased would they be picked up on infrared.

TIA

Great questions.

 

[passionflower]

https://twitter.com/WBBJ7Dan/status/689552020802396160?s=09


It's a big one?

hope you get well soon, really you didn't miss anything JMOO

 

[MotherOcean]

I simply don't understand why Sheriff Weaver said that he couldn't discuss whether trail cameras in the woods showed signs of Noah / GM / sister. Why not even this small bit of information?

This has me scratching my head! It makes me think that something relevant WAS seen on a camera. Something other than Noah himself, but something that may be guiding, even if minimally, the search.

 

[MsMarple]

I bet it would just cause more speculation. Maybe a camera picked up grandma and/or the sister, but not Noah. If it's something like that, I can understand not wanting to share it. Think of the rumors that would spawn because of something like that.

I agree. Case in point: the reporter this morning who tweeted "As of today, the Chester County SO is the lead on the search for Noah Chamberlin, and the related investigation." has spent the entire day clarifying that there is no criminal investigation. I'm sure she regrets her choice of words.

But it's not entirely her fault - sm has grown a life of it's own and just one word can be taken the wrong way and spark thousands of comments. And look at the sheriff's comment about Google Earth. He's not telling people to stay off it, all he meant was that many people are playing amateur detective - and here's the big difference between what we do on WS and what he's complaining about - and then sending in useless emails and making useless phone calls that LE has to follow up on. It has nothing to do with us.

What we do here at WS is done in our own little community - that's the purpose of WS. We're sleuthing but we leave LE alone to do their job without our interference. The sheriff was commenting on wasted man hours from those who do interfere.

IMO LE and the media need to learn new ways of dealing with the huge social media amoeba - it's not going away and no one, including LE will be able to "bully" people out of speaking their minds publicly, for better or worse, trolls included. They need to learn to deal with it and maybe incorporate trained personnel who are better equipped to sift through all the crap posted online in order to find those gems.

 

[Elainera]

This has me scratching my head! It makes me think that something relevant WAS seen on a camera. Something other than Noah himself, but something that may be guiding, even if minimally, the search.

Maybe an unknown person or persons were seen?

 

[JanetElaine]

IMO LE and the media need to learn new ways of dealing with the huge social media amoeba - it's not going away and no one, including LE will be able to "bully" people out of speaking their minds publicly, for better or worse, trolls included. They need to learn to deal with it and maybe incorporate trained personnel who are better equipped to sift through all the crap posted online in order to find those gems.

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I completely agree, and was thinking the same thing. It might be time for dedicated personnel for social media/email 'tips'. The world has changed with social media and there's no escaping it, and the only way to effectively deal with it like in the case of LE is to face it head-on, IMO.

:moo:

 

[MotherOcean]

I think it has been worded both ways, and that has led to much speculation and rumors that the grandmother changed her story. First, it was being reported that Noah was last seen entering the woods. Then, it was being said that they were all hiking together. I personally do not think her story changed and I don't think there is a discrepancy. I think they probably all walked through the woods together to a spot that had a clear area or maybe they stayed on a cleared path/trail that was "in the woods" but Noah was last seen "entering the woods" from the cleared area/trail. "We were right here on the path (which is through the woods) and I last saw him go into the woods." I really think that the grandmother and Noah's familiarity with the area gave her a false sense of security. I think she may have seen him leave the edge of a cleared area but she didn't go right after him because she didn't think he would keep on going or she got distracted.

Just the way I read it.

EDIT: sorry, this was a response to a comment. Not sure why it didn't post the comment!!

 

[YidArmyRach]

Let me take a moment to say this. I think little Noah is there somewhere and has just been missed. I don't know where specifically, but I believe he's there. I think he wandered off playfully, may have crawled part of the time under briar and brush, may have fallen in a hole, slipped and fell, or succumbed to the elements, layed down and fell asleep. Or, he may have been attacked by a mountain lion, which most here doubt, which is fine, because I doubt it too. Occam's razor tells us he's in the woods due to one of the above. But for those who are concerned and perplexed because the dogs haven't found anything, then tend to skip right over the mountain lion attack to the preferable foul play, when there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that's what happened. These dogs are not infallible and it seems that more often than NOT when it comes to a small child lost in the forest, the dogs are no help in finding them. IMO, it is a better course to not put too much emphasis on these dogs, in this case.

For me, Occam's Razor plays like this - there is no sign of him in the woods, none of his scent has been picked up in the woods .... perhaps he isn't in the woods?

I'm not sure what to think. Yes logic says he must be there, and near to where he was last seen. IF the report of him going to the woods with his grandma are true. He is only 2 years old, so can't get 'that' far. I find it hard to understand how his grandmother couldn't find, see or hear him if he really did go missing when she was briefly distracted by her other grandchild. I'm not saying I don't believe the story - but I always keep an open mind.

I find it hard to believe someone could go on a walk in a wood with two small children and not automatically keep checking both of them every minute. Surely you would notice if one was missing within a minute or so - and in a very quiet forest (rather than say a busy shop) surely that child would still be in ear shot after a minute or so? Is it possible she was distracted for a lot longer than reported - perhaps to the point that the little boy being there totally slipped her mind? Then I'll admit to wondering if he was ever in the woods at all - simply because it seems impossible that he hasn't been traced by the dogs. Unless there is a hidden well or something that he fell down.

That said, there is a missing persons case in Jersey (Channel Islands) whereby a young man went missing in a village type area in December, and still hasn't been found despite many searches. And I've read, on here, of many searches which failed to spot a person/body despite being very, very close.

Its just too awful to consider this little boy lost and alone, in the cold and the dark, slowly succumbing to the elements, terrified. That's why I'm kind of hoping this story isn't the truth and something else happened that was quicker and easier.

 

[loveisthemovement]

How long did police stick with the "parents are cooperating" spiel before the truth came out with our other Noah (Thomas)? I don't think this case is the same but I remember sticking up for little Noah's parents in the beginning of that case too. I pray I am wrong and that Noah can come home soon.

 

[margarita25]

They answered on the press conference when someone asked how far from the house were they when he went missing and the answer was "not that far". And that is was "well traveled area" .

Bringing this forward, would like to see the exact quote, haven't seen the PC yet, thanks everyone for your uodates!

"Well traveled area"...this could be important.

 

[blazelet]

Im just getting in to this story ... I hate these. Kids missing in the woods longer than a few hours rarely turns out well. In most of them they end up in water ... I scanned a lot of comments but didn't see, have they been checking bodies of water? Are there rivers or ponds nearby?

If not, and if all these searchers haven't found a single clue ... Then it seems likely the story is inaccurate. Animals leave evidence, wandering kids leave scent trails, drones can find body heat or clothing in the cold, even if a grid of a hundred people are outpaced by a 2 year old ... It's extremely rare that these kids are actually out wandering this long and never stumbled upon.

Thinking of little Noah Thomas who was found in the septic tank after the wooded search for a week or little Devon David who they searched for in Texas for days before finding him right by his home in the pond ... Any number of cases that go that way :/

 

[MsMarple]

In Malik Drummond's case all our hinky alarms went off immediately. Same with Delano Wilson. Lonzie Barton was a no-brainer. With Jerold Williams all LE ever released was that he disappeared while chasing grasshoppers. Very frustrating but it turned out there was hink, just not about his disappearance - his group were members of the FLDS and his dad was a bigwig in the polygamy community.

In Noah's case I can't seem to get a bead on anything. I agree though that it would be better for the sheriff to share info about the deer cams, time Noah was missing before the 911 call, how far in the woods they were, etc. It really doesn't matter anyway at this point; the rumor mills have been grinding away for days now so it would be better to just get it out in the open from an official source.