AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #24

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Question for the medical pros.

Now, keep in mind the example I saw of what some people might call dry drowning came from a TV show, Virgin River. It isn’t a medical show and not everything is accurate.

But here goes. A young boy had been at camp and evidently a small amount of pool water entered his lungs, a very small amount. He appeared fine other than he said he was cold, and he coughed a bit, but did not argue about seeing the doctor, like some kids might when trying to get out of summer camp (which he didn’t really like).

Anyway, by the time he was on the exam table his breathing was very labored. The explanation was that the water had stressed his lungs and caused his vocal cords to spasm and the spasms were cutting off the flow of oxygen. So of course they fixed the issue.

Is this what people are calling dry drowning?

I admit I have not looked this up to see if it is accurate but it reminded me of Summer’s time at the lake and how something like that might not have been noticed until it was too late. (It still doesn’t explain what most parents would do — take the child to an emergency room or call 911 even if you think they are no longer breathing.)

But again, we’re talking a TV show. It just seemed similar.

moo, jmo, etc etc
That's true, there is no medical term called dry drowning, but I've heard doctors call it post-immersion syndrome. It can happen when water enters the nose and/or mouth and causes the vocal chords to close over the windpipe. As far as I know it is extremely rare and symptoms start almost immediately or within an hour after getting out of the water.

The example in your post sounds more like secondary drowning, when water actually accumulates in the lungs. Imo
 
When I was listening last night, I got the feeling that certain statements may have been directed specifically at CW or at trying to elicit a response from the family. For instance, they spent some time elaborating how DW was “throwing CW under the bus” and I could see how that could benefit LE if they think CW will be listening. And IMO, it’s been demonstrated that they are listening. It’s my opinion only, but it struck me that they may not be “sanctioned” by LE, but that LE may be benefitting from this particular conversation. Just a thought I had last night that your post reminded me. IMOO.

Yes I also thought that CM's and SJ's comments that DW was "throwing CW under the bus" could be a great strategy as she was probably listening to it and would have become angry with DW is she is covering up for him.

At the moment, they seem to be in league with each other but one of them needs to break and tell the truth.
 
Going back to the morning of 6/15... (P.S., i haven't been watching most of the videos...)

6/15/21. They're all present at home. What were the Wells' family's actual plans for that day. Here is a theory. It might be wrong..

What if they were ALL planning on going to the water park. This explains CB dressing SW in the swimming dress bright and early in the morning when it was not anything like "baking hot". It would have been at most 70 degrees.

So, the morning suddenly goes off track right after SW gets dressed.

Maybe it was only CH suddenly needing to go to the hospital. But, maybe something else... DW is self employed. Maybe he was planning to take the day off (this is a theory, so maybe he didn't). But that one guy got fired. I know DW claims he fired the guy... But, maybe he didn't personally handle that, maybe he complained to the job foreman who now calls and says dude is fired you (DW) must report to work. (Theory)

Do they still think they can go swimming? Maybe if CB takes CH (SW accompanies them) to hospital and to get prescription. Then DW takes boys and Subaru to his work and they plan to meet...

Except everything with CH takes longer. CB gets H to come along probably before realizing this. This explains why he wasn't with them that long it was just kind of an errand day.

I do believe CB did not know that A was still super mad at her. I theorize that CB and H have been talking online (maybe some SM thing or a game, not deep conversation, but something regular and friendly) so since she and H were getting along, she thought A was over the thing with J.

When DW calls CB in the Walgreen's drive thru is she dropping off the rx or picking it up? If she is dropping it off, DW and CB may have realized it was too late for their original plan.

So, CB takes SW, CH, and H to the swimming hole where SW could swim (or play in water) and H can wade around.

Meanwhile, when he gets a chance, DW takes the boys back home (theory) thinking CB and CH will be back pretty soon so the boys won't be home alone very much time. He maybe tells them to stay inside so they play games or whatever with the TV. DW goes back to work.

CB runs other errands, drops H off and goes home with CH and SW. So, CB does see the boys at home in the house when she asks them to unload car.

She then sends or takes SW into the house. Maybe SW was supposed to change her clothes or play indoors. Then CB does miscellaneous things (doesn't matter) for some amount of time until CB checks on SW and finds her not in the house or yard.

Since CB is home the boys might have gone outside prior to this, but obvs she finds them. Did she think SW was with them until she found differently?

CB, CH, the boys try to find SW. Obvs they fail and she calls DW. He says call the cops. Then he hangs up and calls the cops.

This is a theory, but it places people around to match various people's accounts. Why wouldn't they just say this version? Because DW needed an alibi. He has been to prison and he knows he will be suspected (even if it is completely unfair... Yes, i know he has done crimes, but he still could have nothing to do with SW's disappearance). So, they must place him at work.

Problem is, in their panic, they didn't place the boys in a particular place so we have them either at home or with DW when (theory) it was both.

So, my theory is, LE can partially confirm DW's alibi. But, it is shaky because he worked alone and (theory) he left and then returned. This caused him to work later than expected. He was getting caught up when he got CB's call.

Of course that leaves CB as the last person to see SW. But, maybe that's just true. It sounds like CH went to her camper until the search for SW began. But, someone always has to be the last person that saw a missing person. CB may have done everything she said she did: working on the planters, helping CH, laundry. All of those things take attention, so...

Both CB and DW are other than precise in their speech... Kind of in different ways. But mostly i think it is caused by usually talking to people who know them rather than trying to explain stuff to strangers. DW doesn't always carefully listen to the actual question he is being asked. I think he listens to about half of it and then starts thinking about what to reply.

So, this theory, takes care of some of the noise around SW's disappearance. Now what?

Maybe SW wasn't the target. Maybe it was her brother (aged 9). Someone may have been watching that day and thought she was an even younger boy. Yes, she was wearing pink, but current year. Up close SW definitely looks like a little girl (her face has dainty bone structure and she has sparkly eyes), but this person might not have looked carefully. This is a theory, but it gives the perp longer to study the scene.
Very plausible theory. Believable whether SW wandered off and got injured and was missed in the searches, or stalked by an abductor, whether or not she was the prime intended target.

That said, SJ’s linguistic analysis last night would indicate that there was an accident under CW’s watch, and that DW played a secondary accessory-after-the-fact role in a coverup. I tend to believe this because it was my initial very strong intuition.

So either SJ is right, or you are. That’s my current opinion, if not SJ’s theory, then I would tend to think yours is the correct one.
 
Yes I also thought that CM's and SJ's comments that DW was "throwing CW under the bus" could be a great strategy as she was probably listening to it and would have become angry with DW is she is covering up for him.

At the moment, they seem to be in league with each other but one of them needs to break and tell the truth.
Maybe CW is telling the truth and is not covering up anything. JMO.
 
That's another thing. DW was told by his attorney to remain silent on SM. Which lasted all of a day. Why is he not doing everything he can to get them back!? It seems his arrogance is eclipsing everything else. His main focus right now should be trying to find Summer and getting the boys back not all this SM chaos.
Her disappearance may not motivate him to be on his best behavior if he already knows what happened to Summer. IMO.
 
So last night Don calls CW
Snipped and bolded by me.
Not true.
This call occurred on August 1st, per CM.
<modsnip>

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."
 
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Question for the medical pros.

Now, keep in mind the example I saw of what some people might call dry drowning came from a TV show, Virgin River. It isn’t a medical show and not everything is accurate.

But here goes. A young boy had been at camp and evidently a small amount of pool water entered his lungs, a very small amount. He appeared fine other than he said he was cold, and he coughed a bit, but did not argue about seeing the doctor, like some kids might when trying to get out of summer camp (which he didn’t really like).

Anyway, by the time he was on the exam table his breathing was very labored. The explanation was that the water had stressed his lungs and caused his vocal cords to spasm and the spasms were cutting off the flow of oxygen. So of course they fixed the issue.

Is this what people are calling dry drowning?

I admit I have not looked this up to see if it is accurate but it reminded me of Summer’s time at the lake and how something like that might not have been noticed until it was too late. (It still doesn’t explain what most parents would do — take the child to an emergency room or call 911 even if you think they are no longer breathing.)

But again, we’re talking a TV show. It just seemed similar.

moo, jmo, etc etc

yes I read it can take up to 6 to 12 hours , discoloration of skin, coughing, throwing up , and then passing out...
 
After all the revelations about SA, I was wondering whether there is a statute of limitations in Utah and found the article below.

It has been stated on The Interview Room past video that the allegations of SA have been reported to police. So I am now wondering whether the next step will be to charge DW.

What do you think?

Does Sexual Assault Have a Statute of Limitations in Utah?
 
Just a few general comments about TIR last last night.

1. I have had to listen to this DW interview several times, over several days, to try to make sense of DW comments about the co-worker in the yellow pathfinder carpooling with DW. For what it's worth, I do believe he is talking about a different day than the day Summer went missing. His answers to CM's question were a huge bowl of word salad that I believe both CM, SJ and DW himself got lost in. In other words, I think CM is mistaken. JMO.

2. What I did find particularly interesting, though, is that it is when DW is talking about the trip to Utah that he makes the comment about always knowing that something would happen to Summer. Obviously (to me anyway) these 2 things are related in his mind somehow. So what do we know about the trip to Utah ? <modsnip> it is interesting to note that, at the very least, DW seems to have made a mental connection between always knowing that something would happen to Summer and this trip to Utah.

3. In the phone call CM played of CW and DW at the beginning of the show, I think we get a much more accurate view of CW than what we saw in her TIR interviews. She is not a shrinking violet. I'll leave it at that.

All MOO
 
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I haven't heard that either.
@rocket

I would have to find the links, but I’m certain others here can attest to these facts:

1. In interviews, DW has admitted to his alcoholism and past illegal drug use.

2. Also in interviews, DW and A spoke of CW’s heavy drinking, and DW spoke of her past drug use. A YouTube which was approved here in the past was messaged by CW’s oldest daughter, who showed a text of CW admitting to a history of meth use.
 
I don't understand why LE isn't shutting CM down. I really do believe he would if they asked. Somewhere in that interview lies the truth so why are they letting him run with it? I can only come to the conclusion that it's beneficial to the investigation rather than a hindrance.

Unless there’s an order, LE can’t prohibit it IMO. Freedom of speech/press and all.
 
After all the revelations about SA, I was wondering whether there is a statute of limitations in Utah and found the article below.

It has been stated on The Interview Room past video that the allegations of SA have been reported to police. So I am now wondering whether the next step will be to charge DW.

What do you think?

Does Sexual Assault Have a Statute of Limitations in Utah?

There was a post about this on an earlier thread. When the abuse occurred, the statue of limitations was much shorter, something like four years.

ETA: i personally agree with the idea of long or no statue of limitations on these kinds of cases. It's really difficult for little children to get these kinds of cases underway.
 
@rocket

I would have to find the links, but I’m certain others here can attest to these facts:

1. In interviews, DW has admitted to his alcoholism and past illegal drug use.

2. Also in interviews, DW and A spoke of CW’s heavy drinking, and DW spoke of her past drug use. A YouTube which was approved here in the past was messaged by CW’s oldest daughter, who showed a text of CW admitting to a history of meth use.
In the interview last night (which is actually from a couple weeks ago), DW said that CW has been drinking and using marijuana. He also said that he had used cocaine heavily and also used to deal. I believe the transcript of that is posted in this thread and also available on that YT channel.
 
Snipped and bolded by me.
Not true.
This call occurred on August 1st, per CM.
<modsnip>

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."

Hello! I've been on various message boards and discord to try to find the date of the most recently played call (to be fair, I stopped watching the interviews sometime back). Nobody knows the exact date of the short clip that was recently played. August 1st is when the first interview call with DW was made. Do you know if August 1st is when the three minute or so call was made that has DW and CW in it?
 
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