Toddler's Mother/Peaches/Jane Doe #3

[Evey]

So here is what my tattoo artist said and also she does piercings also so she likely would see how often young girls get theirs done "You're right the tattoo doesn't look old, especially the lighter colors look newer. It looks like it was healed though. That could be in the matter of a couple weeks. I guess I'm going to have to watch the show. Some people do pierce their babies ears, sometimes very young. Studs are the most common, because they can get them done inexpensively." so she also seems to think it's pretty New like me and others here

 

[Evey]

What if the pillow sham isn't something that can be tracked down via the store? What if it was donated to Goodwill or another second-hand store and picked up by the killer to be used as something disposable?

That's exactly what I think happened like I said earlier if he got them there or via a thrift store it's not traceable and let's be honest this dude seems smart and clearly doesn't want to get caught so why he dumb and use his own stuff? And no DNA no hair as fat as we know on the sham shows it wasn't his in my mind.

 

[Hotpotato]

This would be pushing it as far as toddlers age being at the upper limits but if she wasn't quite as far along or maybe baby Doe was killed first, I don't know. Worth sharing I guess

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pollard_sharice.html

 

[Holly Gothlightly]

What about Sleepy's in Long Island City. They sell bedding.

 

[Evey]

The jewelry makes me wonder if any jewelers live near. Also the sketch of Asian male his brows aren't what I usually see with any straight male except some super metro ones but it has a femine shape to it making drag or trans more likely to me. The leaving clothes with him makes me wonder if the killer never touched it with hands or anything that left dna or if the cops just never looked. And for all we know he takes them and adds thrift store items so we think they're one thing when they aren't. But basically the shape of his brows is what a lot of women wish they had. And technically maybe he's mixing and matching what they had on them to confuse us more. Like let's say someone's missing someone who could be peaches but but the jewelry doesn't look like theirs or they never a peach tattoo cause of it being new.

 

[Holly Gothlightly]

Barry Shulman still lives in Long Island with his older brother Sheldon.

 

[Holly Gothlightly]

I read a kookie story about him as well. Apparently, his mother used to dress him up as a girl when he was little. Both Barry and Robert roomed in the same house, the car was in Barry's name ... Just don't think it is a stretch for them to look at him as a POI. Here is a link to that news item: http://observer.com/1999/08/brotherly-love-and-the-luck-of-the-draw/

 

[The Nomad]

Ok, so I'm new here but I've been keeping up with the latest posts. I have been looking at missing girls from states close to New York, that went missing after 1990. Here are two links of possible girls that could've been peaches. Forgive me if they had been mentioned before

http://missingpersonsdata.com/usa/New+Jersey/missing-recent/case-details/6370


http://missingpersonsdata.com/usa/New+York/missing-recent/case-details/6019

Hi there. Both too young, and peaches also had a child probably daughter due to jewellery found. Keep sleuthing though. Good fi ds.

 

[Kellyd]

That's exactly what I think happened like I said earlier if he got them there or via a thrift store it's not traceable and let's be honest this dude seems smart and clearly doesn't want to get caught so why he dumb and use his own stuff? And no DNA no hair as fat as we know on the sham shows it wasn't his in my mind.

Why leave anything at all and use a Rubbermaid container if he's so smart?

Jmo

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[Evey]

Why leave anything at all and use a Rubbermaid container if he's so smart?

Jmo

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My guess is he doesn't live there or travels and maybe kept the bodies and disposed of parts bit by bit and maybe he's cocky and assumes anything from a garage sale or thrift store wont come back to him. Or he got a gf and couldn't risk her finding any of them and dumped them in a hurry. Do they think she was kept frozen or anything for awhile and dumped? And that parts of her were dumped way before the torso? And what could he be doing with the heads... when i think of them being cut up I wonder could he be a butcher or something medical like? If we knew a lot of the occupations of men in the area it could be helpful perhaps. Or if we knew which homes near could be good for cutting girls up and disposing of them without anyone noticing. I think this guy never thought they'd be found or that she was the first and so he later decides not to use anything that's could have prints or DNA?

 

[Armchair-reader]

Why leave anything at all and use a Rubbermaid container if he's so smart?

Jmo

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I think the towel and sham were already in the container as is was being used to keep old discarded items in. He needed something to put the body parts in to carry it, move it, conceal it from place A to place B (Where she was found) you aren't going to travel with a torso just laying on the back seat of your car. Although he is smart I don't think he is as smart as he thinks he is. Somewhere out there is his human chop shop so to speak. Maybe a garage with a drain in the floor for obvious reasons. My garage has this. I have rubber maid containers in my garage with old crap inside. Old torn sheets or towels for cleaning rags. Ya'll get my point.

 

[Evey]

It almost feels like he wasn't testing the waters to decide what method he liked best and maybe settled in burlap or whole bodies if he's also responsible for Atlantic City. He seems to know about law and maybe he's friends with Burke but would never be suspected by him. He could have mentioned some case that gave him the idea to dump them on different county lines. That itself makes me wonder if he was trying to buy more time by making it harder. And if so I wonder why. Aside from not wanting to be caught that is. Someone mentioned dolls and crosses left at the bodies sites but was it at all of them? And we're the crosses put up by some unknown? And did the dolls have DNA? This person clearly knew how hard that area is to deal with and I wonder does he have a job that's wildlife related that would give him the knowledge and tools of the areas? Even a park job. What other jobs like that could fit this? Cause I often wonder if the guy who killed himself knew who did it cause he gave him burlap for some project not knowing what he planned to use it for(plus he'd know it would point the finger at the owner) or is he just bought the bags there and once he realized he unknowingly helped he kills himself out of guilt. Or is killed and made to seem like suicide. I also see Hackett maybe knowing or suspecting but being scared of the person and being told if he says anything he will turn him in for selling pills and such. And so he moves the second he can. But the one neighbor who's story about Shannon who's son changed his story is fishy. He could be an Evolving killer. Maybe his dad hired escorts and he knew sk he killed them. I hate how many theories I can come up with with the case. I also wonder if they're illegal immigrants he hired ans knew wouldn't be looked for. I feel he doesn't own a boat cause that would be easier to just weigh them down and drop them overboard but it's hard to say. Just so many options.

 

[Hotpotato]

My guess is he doesn't live there or travels and maybe kept the bodies and disposed of parts bit by bit and maybe he's cocky and assumes anything from a garage sale or thrift store wont come back to him. Or he got a gf and couldn't risk her finding any of them and dumped them in a hurry. Do they think she was kept frozen or anything for awhile and dumped? And that parts of her were dumped way before the torso? And what could he be doing with the heads... when i think of them being cut up I wonder could he be a butcher or something medical like? If we knew a lot of the occupations of men in the area it could be helpful perhaps. Or if we knew which homes near could be good for cutting girls up and disposing of them without anyone noticing. I think this guy never thought they'd be found or that she was the first and so he later decides not to use anything that's could have prints or DNA?

Fire island Jane doe was found just over a year prior. I would imagine the heads and other pieces were just never found, and that dismemberment was either to keep them from being identified (and traced back to him maybe) or for ease of hiding/disposing them, or probably both. I kind of feel like the items added in were either something quickly grabbed and wrapped around or thrown in with. It seems like a weird/random combo of things to plan out ahead of time, but hey maybe that's the point...

 

[Evey]

Fire island Jane doe was found just over a year prior. I would imagine the heads and other pieces were just never found, and that dismemberment was either to keep them from being identified (and traced back to him maybe) or for ease of hiding/disposing them, or probably both. I kind of feel like the items added in were either something quickly grabbed and wrapped around or thrown in with. It seems like a weird/random combo of things to plan out ahead of time, but hey maybe that's the point...

yea he could easily pass it off as giving to goodwill etc and also my grandparents bring us tubs like that with blankets etc they never used and other stuff and we have them sitting around so who's to say those aren't some gift from a grandparent e never used. But do we think he keeps the body parts cool somewhere and little but lkttle drops them off?

 

[Evey]

I think the towel and sham were already in the container as is was being used to keep old discarded items in. He needed something to put the body parts in to carry it, move it, conceal it from place A to place B (Where she was found) you aren't going to travel with a torso just laying on the back seat of your car. Although he is smart I don't think he is as smart as he thinks he is. Somewhere out there is his human chop shop so to speak. Maybe a garage with a drain in the floor for obvious reasons. My garage has this. I have rubber maid containers in my garage with old crap inside. Old torn sheets or towels for cleaning rags. Ya'll get my point.

Exactly and if he's a hunter or fisher then he has an excuse for blood and likely some area he can hang the animal up to skin and gut it and likely with a drain. Are there any homes near that have that type of thing? Also construction is a job that in my mind pops up(my ex and me moved from site to site for his company) because we would keep some tubs in storage and bring some with us to each site with clothes etc and they'd have tools to cut her up. Do we know what type of blade or tool was used on her? And on the others? Cause if it's a particular type that could lead to a specific job that could be his demise. I don't see the tub being it but I do see him as smart but he's cocky and will make a mistake. Also tattoo artists travel and do guest spots and often bring some stuff in tubs. My artist said that looked two weeks or less old so maybe nobody knows she's the person they're looking for because he did the tattoo to mask that or she got it and since they frown on tattoos maybe she didn't tell them about it so they don't know. Also I wonder if the baby was kept alive after the Mom was killed? And if he's keeping the bodies cold as he disposed of each bit by bit without making it look like anything more than spring cleaning(the weather and how hard the cops make the area seem says to me he keeps them until weather permits) which would see normal. And he may have a freeze or fridge in his basement like my grandpa who hunted and fished had and also his basement had a drain and he kept elk meat etc in that freezer so this dude could hide body parts in with his freezer stuff. He probably if married or has a gf tells her he's going hunting or fishing and wither always returns with something or says he caught nothing which would believed by most. Do we know if they were killed or dropped there during any hunting seasons? He could be a butcher or some other job that has the needed tools and storage and the way he just little by little gets rid of bodies shows no hurry to me. The ones found in a suitcase do we think it was his or one he got at goodwill to do that? And how close are the nearest ones and the thrift stores to the drop sites? If the tattoo is an orange and not a peach perhaps she's from Florida

 

[Evey]

Also I wonder if there are any cabins in the area that could be owned for hunting or fishing? Like a rich or well off dude who goes there for that so his wife would t suspect. But I am leaning towards place with basement with drain that keeps sound in well or any sawing noises wouldn't seem odd cause of a job they have and a freezer down below and maybe a furnace or fireplace to burn stuff but when transferring stuff he rather put it in a pillow sham and tub so if pulled over he just seems he's donating or dropping stuff off. I wonder if anyone would remember if they had a garage sale where they sold those specific items cause that tub is before the 90s to me color wise. And I wonder if it has any writing on it like linens or bedroom etc clearly he must not have neighbors close or that could see him load and unload tubs. Maybe we need to compile a list of jobs(even if he's retired) that give access to a location and tools and privacy needed to do this. Who knows maybe the stuff he leaves is left over from some ex wife or his moms stuff. If anyone can make a version of the tattoo with the best possible settings to see what's under the tattoo or details in it more so than past ones I will send it to my tattoo lady. If anyone posts a photo of the one he destroyed I can also ask her cause I wonder why not destroy her and cherries but destroy the other. Also what jobs would put this guy on all those areas work wise? Not sure how big fire island is.

 

[Evey]

What would be creepy is if he burried the heads under something at home like a new cement floor. But he could easily have disposed of them in pieces without flesh or teeth and scattered them around. Cause why keep them less thwyre a trophy. Cause I believe if he destroyed them he'd be fine but could he have a took thy could crush them up to nothing? Or break them up and toss the pieces into the ocean or stick pieces in tree trunks I mean who knows the possibilities are endless it feels. But if he's keeping them I think that'll be his demise especially with how cocky he is and the killing season and attention to me won't hinder him but motivate him. How can the cops not look in these girls messages to find this dude? I mean with Craigslist often they send a message or email I mean I guess they could have just listed a number but can't they trace it? I guess with peaches she's before those times so how would someone pick a girl back then? At a bar? A street corner? Maybe he picks them at homeless shelters and maybe the things they hadn't with them are what he used. I can't think of how one would advertise yourself back then if they were escorts.

 

[Evey]

One last thought could the totes and suitcases etc be because he had to take a ferry or pass a toll and needs to just seen like a normal business man on his way to work or something? Like if he lived on Staten Island for instance

 

[Hotpotato]

I've never thought about the body being preserved by refrigeration of freezing. I don't be know enough about it to know if it's possible without being detected but if so I think that could definitely be a game changer as far as timelines go

 

[Armchair-reader]

Exactly and if he's a hunter or fisher then he has an excuse for blood and likely some area he can hang the animal up to skin and gut it and likely with a drain. Are there any homes near that have that type of thing? Also construction is a job that in my mind pops up(my ex and me moved from site to site for his company) because we would keep some tubs in storage and bring some with us to each site with clothes etc and they'd have tools to cut her up. Do we know what type of blade or tool was used on her? And on the others? Cause if it's a particular type that could lead to a specific job that could be his demise. I don't see the tub being it but I do see him as smart but he's cocky and will make a mistake. Also tattoo artists travel and do guest spots and often bring some stuff in tubs. My artist said that looked two weeks or less old so maybe nobody knows she's the person they're looking for because he did the tattoo to mask that or she got it and since they frown on tattoos maybe she didn't tell them about it so they don't know. Also I wonder if the baby was kept alive after the Mom was killed? And if he's keeping the bodies cold as he disposed of each bit by bit without making it look like anything more than spring cleaning(the weather and how hard the cops make the area seem says to me he keeps them until weather permits) which would see normal. And he may have a freeze or fridge in his basement like my grandpa who hunted and fished had and also his basement had a drain and he kept elk meat etc in that freezer so this dude could hide body parts in with his freezer stuff. He probably if married or has a gf tells her he's going hunting or fishing and wither always returns with something or says he caught nothing which would believed by most. Do we know if they were killed or dropped there during any hunting seasons? He could be a butcher or some other job that has the needed tools and storage and the way he just little by little gets rid of bodies shows no hurry to me. The ones found in a suitcase do we think it was his or one he got at goodwill to do that? And how close are the nearest ones and the thrift stores to the drop sites? If the tattoo is an orange and not a peach perhaps she's from Florida

I come from a hunting family and sometimes the hunters to process their own meat. Now they field strip it where they kill it. (Remove stomach, intestinal..ect) but the butching is done in one of their barns. Complete with drain and hose for cleaning up. Good point Evey. We also all have freezers to keep venison in the barns and garages. In a good season with 4 or 5 hunters it adds up.