I guess I should specify I don't believe that this Asian male had his surgery yet if anything he'd have the hormones but if he had *advertiser censored* done they'd find those(unless the killer hates trans so much he took them but I doubt it) this guy likely(based on my close trans friends and things I've watched) was either into men or bi or at least into men because I don't know that many ones who change into a female just to date other females but it does happen. And either could put on a wig and makeup and pass as female because he had androgynous features or look very femine and was skinny and didn't have a manly body. This person I don't believe looked male until the killer got him alone. For instance my brothers best friend who's like a brother(now sister) to me we never once expected he was trans or bi and he dated girls and had a thin runners body with muscles and when he started showing up dressed as a girl we were thrown off cause we never oncee expected it. But with the right clothes and makeup and his hair that he's now growing long he looks like a girl for the most part except in bright light but I doubt this person picks up the people in the day and if he uses Craigslist maybe there's evidence of an Asian women who when we look close could be male. People look at her weird treat her weird etc and we constantly worry someone in town will commit a hate crime(even more so with our town not being as big) he also has told me he isn't sure he wants surgery and that some trans don't want the last part changed and some do. This guy could have not wanted female parts but I doubt he was someone in drag selling himself but it's possible. I then started watching the Caitlin Jenner show because I kept hearing how good it was but they go into a few groups of trans people to talk to them(now that I think about it I didn't see many turning into men and rarely see it but it happens so he could have been female turned male but I don't think so) and they start saying how scary and hard it is for them to find work even after surgery sometimes and how the cost is so high for the surgery that they start doing prostitution to make money for it. But rarely do they go to a good surgeon and always it seems they go to Mexico because their friend got a cheap thing done there and they want the same(often they're treated like meat and the surgery is bad) and back then acceptance wasn't as it is now so some guy who feels tricked could get violent and it happens even when dating but they haven't told them they're male yet and they find out after being intimate in ways besides sex. And it happens by people who are homophobic or hate trans and if this dude could tell it's a dude he could have picked him up to kill him. My trans friend is over right now and I ran it by him/her and he agreed and we also agreed because there are groups of trans people on social media(support type networks) or ones like Caitlin Jenner attends that seemed like AA meetings but not for addiction and just for support. A lot of them get kicked out by family and disowned and are homeless and alone if the family won't accept them. A lot of trans kids who show it early on end up so bullied they kill themselves so especially back then the world wasn't a tolerant and a hate crime easily could have happened and been added to his trophy area of murdered girls. I think if we looked around to different groups and asked if any knew an Asian male who was trans and went missing(and maybe had a drug issue like a lot of the others) they'd potentially have a name of someone and it could lead to the ID because they have some cops who won't take the missing persons of a trans person seriously or a prostitute seriously(as we've seen with SG) so I'm sure it's even worse for some when trying to report a trans one. And they may not know the person is dead but may say they haven't heard from them in so long and then when looked into it could turn up they're missing. So I think this guy was feminne most likely but they sometimes aren't so it could be either but somehow the news articles know the person is trans and that makes me curious.
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Also it would be good to know the drug problems each female had that we know had one cause they could have the same dealer. Maybe they owed money and never paid. Or if they overdosed cause of the dealer so they got dumped. I think toxicology would show that but if they all had a common addiction then they may use the same dealer. Any Coke or higher class expensive drugs would come from the John. And possibly a rich one because all my rich male friends or millionaire friends always have Coke all over when I'm at their place partying with them and so I believe any drugs better than meth or heroin came from the John. Drugs are expensive and if they've gotten to where they use Craigslist then they've by now realized meth and heroin are cheap compared to pills and Coke. But they'd be a treat to them to not have to use meth or heroin so a John offering them would get them to ignore potentially creepy things to get high. People don't want a come down so they'll get desperate for cash and rather than withdrawal some would potentially take a creepier job to make the money for their fix. I have a lot of friends who party and am familiar with pricing and how it all works as in I see why they end up on meth and heroin. Just watching intervention and drugs Inc shows how even. My point is you don't just decide to sell yourself on Craigslist normally. Most would rather be advertised like a higher class one which they could start as but the drugs could change that. The New York girl I know who prositutes but is high class constantly tries helping these girls because she's been one and knows how addicting the drugs are and knows they ignore girls being killed and sometimes weird johns just to get their fix. So if there's a common connection between the girls it could be drugs and partying or some johns who throw parties with drugs that they bring a bunch of girls to(like in true detective season 2) or maybe if they'd ever been to the same rehab even. And what drugs were in them when they were found(if any show up) could show this person brings certain ones each time. But this is all just an idea based on knowing a good amount about drugs because of how bad my town is with drugs. And while I've never been a heroin or meth addict or user I know how they become addicted and understand why. Basically it's my opinion any female selling herself on Craigslist likely had addiction issues or needed money cause they had kids and something happened making them need money. And a lot of girls sometimes sell them and a friend as a duo so for all we know some of the girls were doing this as a duo. Basically I've been asking my friend who does this for a living and was once hooked on heroin and doing it for that but now is off it but just enjoys the job about this stuff.
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I think it's burkes baby. It would be mixed. Whomever the killer is they aren't a fan of half breeds. But who knows? I know some street hookers back in the day took their babies on tricks.
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I rotated and adjusted the pillowcase photo. I think you can see that it's a stargazer lily bouquet pattern. If any hotels in the area had this in the 90's maybe someone would remember.
I feel like if the news or even in the killing season or some documentary if it showed that and then tons more people saw the pattern(if it was in the killing season I missed it) then maybe it could lead to at least a place that sells it or uses them. Could the cops release a better quality photo of it I wonder? And I wonder if they showed the pattern the girls in the Atlantic City one who supposedly partied with the girls before their death at the place that was torn down or anywhere else. That would connect it for sure. To me this isn't a younger persons pillow case or sheet or curtain or whatever it is. Have they never said what material it is and if it appears cut from a bigger thing? Cause technically the person could go to a fabric store like Joanne's and have so much of it cut just to use it for this reason so he wasn't using his own. I don't feel a torso would fit in a pillow case but like someone mentioned the nurse smock what if that's what it is but because her arms were cut off (I assume) and likely the fabric on the sleeves with it then we just don't realize she's actually just still wearing her smock? Though most of them have a slight v neck I notice and as far as I know that doesn't. I also haven't heard of any tags which a smock would have and a smock may have other DNA of patients where she worked but idk if they even looked at the fabric for any DNA or hairs... maybe I just haven't saw any place that mentioned that though.
One idea about the tattoos is if she came in with another girl like he's said then what if they were strippers and those were their names at the club and maybe they were young and thought it would be cool to tattoo their names in them via fruit. Or the killer did it himself cause to me it seems weird that the peach has a bite and she was cut up. Something just seems odd about the bite. And the locations are the same weren't they? Or did I read it wrong? I don't get how the baby can not have been identified as boy or girl and to me I feel like they should be able to tell what killed the baby. If the area had water or could at points of the year then maybe he left it to drown. But being in a blanket makes me think he wrapped it up like someone does their kid or he took it from the crib that way. Whatever the case something about the baby is important enough that in his mind despite clearly being a monster who's killing girls he couldn't bring himself to do the same to the kid. That shows me either it's related to him or he thinks he isn't a big enough monster to killl a baby or at least cut it up. But someone would hear a screaming baby so clearly it wasn't alive because the crying would attract animals which makes me think it was a skeleton before it was left or else some animal would have gotten it and nothing I've read hints any evidence of that happening.
Yeah some have no choice but to and this guy could have been disgusted by that and acted on it. or maybe it's his or even if it's not his then maybe he's disgusted by mixed race stuff. And if this person is against mixed race babies and doesn't want one of his own or is against moms bringing their kids on a trick or even being one when having kids(not sure how many in all of them and Atlantic City are moms) and maybe also hates addicts especially if they see them as selfish and doing that for drugs disgusts them. And also dislikes trans people or cross dressers(even if there isn't evidence that the Asian man was trans he likely dressed as a female and that's how he ended up with the killer) or gay or bi males. It honestly makes me think the person if he does dislike those things then maybe he's very conservative or religious and a church goer. Then again that's all speculation but it seems like each victim has something someone would frown on if they were against those things. Not any of them as far as I've read or as far as we know are just normal not drug addicts not hookers etc it feels like he's killing what disgusts him. But honestly to me I feel like if it's one killer or two killers that there must be one victim that's a bigger clue than the others because maybe it's the first one and maybe he knew them or knew one of the others. A lot of the things I read about in cases it seems like a lot of times a killer goes for someone he knows as his first victim but then there are the people who go for strangers so it's hard to say. But I think at least one of them must be some clue to who they are and we just don't know it. And I think he sees them as lesser than him and thinks highly of himself. And it's almost like the person takes the body parts on a boat and drops them in the water in various spots so they wash up on shore and then takes the torso and leaves it somewhere else. But then again if he wanted them to be hidden well he could sink the bodies so either he wants them found or its a trophy garden or he isn't someone owning or working on a boat.
Also nothing I've read mentions any heads being found or did I miss that part? Cause if none of their heads were found it stops us from seeing their face and almost seems like they're his trophy. If it's one guy he seems to like shoes(and socks of the Atlantic one side had them on or are related to it) heads and phones and what else has never been found or theirs? Nothing I've noticed says any phone was recovered of the girls but I could have missed an article saying they had.
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Heads and hands can lead to the identification of a victim. Whoever our dismemberer is that is why he dismembers and scatters body parts.
I don't believe this dismemberer is driven by sexual violence. I believe it's more of a " business " practice for him (or them). He wouldn't keep body parts, because the whole point of dismembering and scattering is to avoid any connection to him (or them).
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Purely religously motivated hate crimes against gays cross dressers etc. by Christians, appear to be very rare. If anybody can knows of such attacks, please post some information. Rather, most of these attacks seem to be done by secular people who have a cultural dislike of gays.
Sure, this cultural dislike is based distantly on religion, but religion itself plays little role in the attacks. Rather, inner city youth culture, (most of the attacks occur in large cities) tolerates violence against gays.
In the absence of any evidence to point towards a religous motive such as scripture justifications left behind or religous based taunts, and using Occam's razor, I think the most likely suspect is the same type of perpetrator in most prostitute killings. That is somebody motivated by gratification from committing murder or sexual dominance.
My vague understanding is that some bondage themed interest groups may hire prostitutes on occasion as props or for fantasy acting. Maybe the killer met the victims at such parties and then befriended them, or offered to hire them for a uhmmm..... "private session"? If so, an attendee of one of these parties might remember the tattoos and a particular party goer showing more than the usual interest in the hired assistants?
That leads me to think pimp or gang related or related to the killer. Who knows maybe they figured out he also did the other killings and he felt he needed to. Even if he did it cause he enjoys it I think he needed them to nkt be identified for a reason. If he's the killer of all of the people then what makes these ones he feels he needs to do that to and not the others. I wondered if he dumps a part of each person in each of the areas and not in the same county but basically leaves a full body made up of different people in each place. But still haven't heard of any heads being found so either it's a trophy or in hopes they won't be identified but obviously he wouldn't know who we'd be able to identify and hoped none would be. Cause if he's the one killer of all of them then those are more special clues than the others and especially the child. And the tattoos I think.
I doubt it's someone religiously motivated myself or even who hates gays etc but that he was fooled by the asian and in a rage killed him or found out but was like well I may as well kill him I've put all this time into it. And those parties definitely exist and that's crossed my mind especially since I've seen eyes wide shut and true detective season 2. Also the dude almost seems OCD the way the ones were placed so far apart like he measured and l wrapped and then the four without shoes or socks and the cut up ones that i don't know the number of. It seems he's smart but maybe has OCD or more so is a perfectionist and wants his killing garden I guess it could be called all neat and the way he likes it. My question is with how hard they make it seem to get in there does this person have ways to get in there and out just fine? And if he kills I'm winter does he wait until spring to dump them? Maybe he dismembers the ones he kills during that time and scatters parts in places less hard to get into in the winter or he seems so lazy in tossing the bodies so close to the road because the weather didn't permit getting out to where the farther out ones were.
At least that's what kinda crossed my mind when hearing the cops say how hard it was and how thick it is and how they had to put off the search for SG.
Yeah, wrapping in a blanket = remorse and usually points to a parent. I never considered that in this case.
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There are literally so many why's in this case? This is just another one of them. I think its just all part of a coverup and they weren't ever going to release information if they didn't have to. Just like in the AC4 murders.
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