trial day 36: the defense continues its case in chief #106

[momof7]

Reposting this as I put it in the Armchair Psych thread by mistake earlier:

Given I can't take Jodi's word for anything, if this dog story is true it makes me feel a little sympathy for the little girl she might have been.

I missed her testimony on direct when she discussed her upbringing, and I really don't care to go back and hear it at this point. But I believe she has a much older half-sister from another mother, a younger sister, a much younger brother, and maybe another brother somewhere in the mix. In the dog-kicking video she claims two of her younger siblings were still in diapers, and she was a young teen tasked with diaper disposal duty and cleanup.

What other work she was expected to do in the home idk, but maybe a lot since the family restaurant may have been an all-hands-on-deck deal. Samuels said Jodi told him that her parents loved all their children except her. She may have had good reason to believe that, even if only because she required more discipline than the others. I can imagine little Jodi resenting having to care and clean-up after her more loved siblings. I can imagine an unlovable young Jodi, tasked with diaper duty by a mom too busy to do it all herself, lashing out at a dog that had just added to her misery.

And if her parents had to discipline her more, I am sure that the relationship was VERY negative. It probably was a constant thing. JA unable to control the things she does/did and the parents constantly having to try and control her. Very negative relationship.

Kelly

 

[carnnell]

Is that Jodi's new Bailiff??? lease:

He wouldn't let her pass any notes that is for sure!! One grrrrrrrrrrrr groowwwl.. and that took of that bit of underhanded manipulation..

Love the new bailiff (or the thought of the new bailiff hahahahha)

 

[Love Never Fails]

Do you know if there is a ustream app for ipad?

I am usually working during trial but have this week off so I can watch.

Yesterday I ended up using my laptop to stream and the ipad to read and post here.....but I might reverse that.

TIA

Dear Frayed,
Yes. Just go the app store and download Ustream to your IPad. It is free and works great. One of the sleuthers told me about it a few days ago. Enjoy! :seeya:

 

[rose222]

Reposting this as I put it in the Armchair Psych thread by mistake earlier:

Given I can't take Jodi's word for anything, if this dog story is true it makes me feel a little sympathy for the little girl she might have been.
I missed her testimony on direct when she discussed her upbringing, and I really don't care to go back and hear it at this point. But I believe she has a much older half-sister from another mother, a younger sister, a much younger brother, and maybe another brother somewhere in the mix. In the dog-kicking video she claims two of her younger siblings were still in diapers, and she was a young teen tasked with diaper disposal duty and cleanup.

What other work she was expected to do in the home idk, but maybe a lot since the family restaurant may have been an all-hands-on-deck deal. Samuels said Jodi told him that her parents loved all their children except her. She may have had good reason to believe that, even if only because she required more discipline than the others. I can imagine little Jodi resenting having to care and clean-up after her more loved siblings. I can imagine an unlovable young Jodi, tasked with diaper duty by a mom too busy to do it all herself, lashing out at a dog that had just added to her misery.

You know I did feel a tiny little bit of sympathy for KC as a little girl like in that birthday party video where she is all dressed up. I am unable to feel any sympathy for Arias. Even looking at photos of her when she was little I'm repulsed. I know she was the abuser in her family but even if there is some evidence of her being abused I don't care. I've never felt so strongly about anyone. She deserves to spend the rest of her crummy life on death row.

 

[Ladylub]

JA is so full of sh@!, she is lying in that "I kicked a dog once" snip. OMG, she is thinking up the story (lies) while she pauses before she says "that I can remember". Watch how dramatic and - quickly - she goes into "I kicked a dog once".

She had to take time to remember the dog kicking story, then tells Det. Flores that "it changed my world as far as the treatment of animals". BS BS BS

C'mon verdict! MHO

Truth in tiny bits and pieces of what she said. Wasn't it yesterday that we heard about her kicking her mom before?

 

[AZWatcher]

Good morning WSers.

Prayers for Travis' family today as they endure yet another day of testimony. Today from a domestic violence expert who will characterize Travis as an abuser. So sad.

I was worried about this too. After hearing her tone and credentials yesterday I'm not so sure ALV will go there. Of course she will paint Jodi as a victim, but it may be more of a compilation type deal...(ie. past abuse leading up to ...) I don't really believe she will tarnish her long-standing and obviously well-respected career on a few text messages and a sex tape. Never having met or spoken with Travis, rendering an opinion that he was an abuser would be unethical. On the other hand, she can focus on Jodi's relationships with former boyfriends and her parents and point out a pattern. JMO

 

[Bluewater_Girl]

As I understand it Capital 1st Degree Murder must have premeditation means in AZ intent (plan), knowledge of that plan and reflection of the plan ( to do it or not to do it). JMHO

According to AZ jury instruction:
Pr-meditation means intent or knowledge to kill another human being.

"Premeditation" means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first-degree murder and second-degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.] pg PDF 71

REVISED ARIZONA JURY INSTRUCTIONS (CRIMINAL) Third Edition 2011

http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

I believe this was premeditated, but JA is also charged with felony murder, which is also Murder 1 and subject to the death penalty. Either works for me, as she is guilty of both.:moo:

 

[DebinGA]

And if her parents had to discipline her more, I am sure that the relationship was VERY negative. It probably was a constant thing. JA unable to control the things she does/did and the parents constantly having to try and control her. Very negative relationship.

Kelly

Exactly, especially if the parents' relationship with the other kids was generally positive. I'm expecting Ms. LaV will fully describe the family dynamics and how they shaped Jodi. She could easily be convincing enough to keep JA off DR.

 

[kscornfed]

Reposting this as I put it in the Armchair Psych thread by mistake earlier:

Given I can't take Jodi's word for anything, if this dog story is true it makes me feel a little sympathy for the little girl she might have been.

I missed her testimony on direct when she discussed her upbringing, and I really don't care to go back and hear it at this point. But I believe she has a much older half-sister from another mother, a younger sister, a much younger brother, and maybe another brother somewhere in the mix. In the dog-kicking video she claims two of her younger siblings were still in diapers, and she was a young teen tasked with diaper disposal duty and cleanup.

What other work she was expected to do in the home idk, but maybe a lot since the family restaurant may have been an all-hands-on-deck deal. Samuels said Jodi told him that her parents loved all their children except her. She may have had good reason to believe that, even if only because she required more discipline than the others. I can imagine little Jodi resenting having to care and clean-up after her more loved siblings. I can imagine an unlovable young Jodi, tasked with diaper duty by a mom too busy to do it all herself, lashing out at a dog that had just added to her misery.

i don't believe a word she says. kids like jodi suck all the oxygen out of a family. i don't believe her parents didn't love her. she was probably very hard to love and gave them a lot of trouble. we've only heard a little of that and we'll never hear it all. but i'm sure the stories are abundant.

and i could never feel sorry for ANYONE who abuses an animal. young kids and dogs especially have a bond. once they get past the ear pulling stage (when they're toddlers), most kids just kind of have a natural affinity for dogs. kicking a dog is a cruel and shocking thing to do, and for a kid to do it is pathological, IMO.

 

[Softail]

Not sure she will be permitted to do that. She has no first hand knowledge and there has been no proof given by defense that he ever abused her. Only her claims. Even her finger has been proven to have come from the knife wound. It's been mentioned that there was a hearing with ALV and she will not be able to claim Travis was abusive and can only talk about Jodi. jmo

Just like Doc Samuels only talked about Jodi. (I'm not rolling my eyes at you LC..... just the situation! jumping off of your post)

I don't necessarily think she is going to bash Travis at all! I think she will do exactly what Doc Samuels did. Take her word (lies) and pretend it must all be true. :boohoo:

I've seen it mentioned that maybe she is working for free. I don't buy that for one minute. These experts don't do anything for free. She is being paid to favor the defense period.

I will be open minded and wait and see what she says, but I'm not going to be naïve about it. :twocents:

 

[AZWatcher]

You know I did feel a tiny little bit of sympathy for KC as a little girl like in that birthday party video where she is all dressed up. I am unable to feel any sympathy for Arias. Even looking at photos of her when she was little I'm repulsed. I know she was the abuser in her family but even if there is some evidence of her being abused I don't care. I've never felt so strongly about anyone. She deserves to spend the rest of her crummy life on death row.

George and Cindy made it hard to lay all the blame at Casey's feet. I think Jodi's Mom should have gotten a bigger spoon.

 

[josie1986]

KCL reported that she got info from BK that she cannot testify to that; she can only speak about Jodi, not Travis.

i hope this is true,i couldn't sit and watch her trashing travis,Jodi has done enough of that.

im praying wilnott will be through with her fairly quick.
i always thought the average time for a witness to be on the stand was like a day?

i can't wait for JM to bring up the photos on the computer lie that jodi told her,i don't necessarily dislike ALV she comes across a lot better than dr doolittle but its the content of her testimony i'm interested in whether she comes across well or not is not a factor in this for me.

just hoping she is honest and holds her hands up when JM corners her with the true facts.
and we can all be glad she didn't come with a suitcase full of papers :floorlaugh:

 

[VALee]

https://twitter.com/Mmartinfan4life/status/316357740727525378/photo/1

As it has been said of JA " In every lie there is some truth" So now we have a
picture of a cute little boy in the arms of his father and his is wearing the "
Spidey briefs". So is this the one that "fluttered" from his bed that fit so well in her story? And how cruel was it to send 20 Irises to his Grandmother when
TA was 20 when his Dad died?!! :furious:

That picture is compelling. And remember too, that JA said in testimony that she thought TA's affinity to Spidey was because of a little boy he had been close to? Grrr... :furious::furious::furious::furious:

 

[momof7]

Exactly, especially if the parents' relationship with the other kids was generally positive. I'm expecting Ms. LaV will fully describe the family dynamics and how they shaped Jodi. She could easily be convincing enough to keep JA off DR.

Yes, I don't think there has been a question about whether or not she will be found guilty. That part is in the bag. She admitted it etc.

Its the DP/LWOP that is really being argued every single day. When JM gets up and can dispel any of the arguments, have JA running in circles with her stories, show how RS really didn't know what he was diagnosing her with.

I can't believe there will be a not guilty verdict though.

Kelly

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Here's a weird dream for ya. I had this dream for several months if not a year. A few years ago.

In the dream; I was taking college courses and one of them was a math course. I looked at my schedule once but couldn't remember where the class was. So I stopped trying to find it and just skipped it for the whole semester. Then I found out where it was just before the final exam and I was torn about going or not going. It really creeped me out. In the middle of the dream I kept trying to find the classroom and couldn't and I was panicking. :waitasec:

Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

Are you serious, or just messin??

I've had THE same dream...except there a number of classes I couldn't figure out the same thing with, but it started in high school.
THEN, I'd go on to college, and realize I shouldn't be there because I failed all the other courses in high school....LOL
THEN, I'd go to get my degree, but, I STILL didn't finish the high school courses, didn't finish the college courses and kept trying to figure out how to fix it all!!

Oh, Lord.....LOL

(No emu's though....although there MIGHT have been one teaching a Chemistry class......)

 

[thefragile7393]

As I understand it Capital 1st Degree Murder must have premeditation means in AZ intent (plan), knowledge of that plan and reflection of the plan ( to do it or not to do it). JMHO

According to AZ jury instruction:
Pr-meditation means intent or knowledge to kill another human being.

"Premeditation" means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first-degree murder and second-degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.] pg PDF 71

REVISED ARIZONA JURY INSTRUCTIONS (CRIMINAL) Third Edition 2011

http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

It can also be considered first degree if murder happened during the act of a felony. Just extra tidbit.

Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

 

[neesaki]

My comments about him are kind of beside the point, to be honest. I don't think it matters in the long run. Even if he turns a juror or two off, they'll still return a verdict based on the evidence. But man, I seriously cannot stand him. I mean to the point that I comment about it here where practically every single person disagrees with me. lol I seriously do not get how anyone thinks he's amazing.

I think it's because he cares so much and is so very passionate about what he is doing. Which is, revealing the truth about one of the most evil people walking the earth (MOO), and getting justice for what she did to Travis and for his family. I also admire his strong, assertive, straight forward manner. And, he's a fighter, something that seems to be lacking in today's society. :hero:

 

[carnnell]

It can also be considered first degree if murder happened during the act of a felony. Just extra tidbit.

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What was the felony charged with Felony Murder Charge? Burglary, Kidnapping or both? I didn't hear that charge along the way.

TIA

 

[Ladylub]

I did not pay attention to the one on stand yesterday. All her background mean nothing to me since time and time again money has come out on top when dealing with these experts. They may twist it just so it fits them. Ill give her a chance but will be quick to turn her off the moment she starts using words like the Dr did "as in this case......" etc. They are going off what a murderer is saying and if they take that as truth then their opinion is dirt to me. I'm sure the DT will make her answer all the questions with TA mean bad man to poor sweet tiny JA. So as long as she does not speak those words above, Ill give her a chance until JM gets her and sees how she does then.

 

[iSleuth]

Found the link to forensic opinion that gun shot came first:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/22/what-really-killed-travis-alexander

I of course go along with the ME but I still think it is possible the gunshot could have come first and maybe the bullet casing rolled to its position in the blood when JA was cleaning up. That would explain the movement of blood spatters around the bathroom and down the hall. There are examples of people who remain mobile with brain injuries. This one was one of the first in recorded psych. history.

https://www.google.com/search?q=phi...tp%3A%2F%2Fcwfp.biz%2Fnews.php%3F1004;200;355

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